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Maniac (344 D (B))
02 Dec 17 UTC
Advice please: Building an app
I'm considering a new business venture and a small part of that involves me either building or someone building an app for me. I've never done this before, should I go and try it myself or pay the pros to do it?
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brainbomb (474 D)
03 Dec 17 UTC
How will Trump die someday - speculation thread
Old age? Kidney failure? Jettisoned into space? Immolation? Prison? Choking on a chicken wing? Nuclear war? Suicide? Killed by melania? Killed by CIA? Killed by wolves? Place your vote here.
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Jamiet99uk (106 D)
26 Nov 17 UTC
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MAFIA XXIII ~ CALL OF THE WEST ~ SIGN UP THREAD
Please sign up here if you wish to play in Episode 33 of webDip Mafia.
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WyattS14 (100 D)
01 Dec 17 UTC
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Are humans fundamentally different from other animals?
A new resolution my debate team is working on, I thought It'd be interesting to see both sides of the argument according to the wonderful WebDip community.

Share your thoughts below, I'll post some articles supporting either side if this thread gets ugh.. 3 +1's
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Durga (1187 D)
23 Nov 17 UTC
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Let me change my username
For the love of god, let me change my username. This is getting more and more embarrassing as I meet more of you at f2f events. You can even ban this account and let me recreate for all I care
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reedeer1 (100 D)
01 Dec 17 UTC
Euoropean Undocumented Migration
I am writing a paper comparing the illegal migration into the eu, and in to America, from the Middle East, and Mexico respectively.
reedeer1 (100 D)
01 Dec 17 UTC
I was wondering if any of you from the eu could tell me, what kind of jobs do you perceive that the migrants work in your country? I know that in America we perceive them as working farms and landscaping jobs, even though there is a significant portion that work higher paying jobs. Also the image of a Mexican migrant is a disheveled man who just crossed the desert, but in fact, 47% of migrants are female and a large portion overstay their visa, and come by plane. Also there is a major number who have been here for more than 10 years.

There isn’t much on line, so I was hoping you guys would have more insight.
Zach0805 (100 D)
01 Dec 17 UTC
Deport all 2nd time offenders(because technically all broke the law) build the wall guve green cards to the rest
reedeer1 (100 D)
01 Dec 17 UTC
Which country are you from?
Stressedlines (1530 D)
01 Dec 17 UTC
He said green cards so he is amrrican
Octavious (1716 D)
01 Dec 17 UTC
The job that immediately springs to mind, purely because of its visibility, is the selling of watches, sunglasses, and leather goods in pretty much every single tourist location in southern Europe.
orathaic (1009 D (B))
01 Dec 17 UTC
The only migration i can think of is legal. Massive numbers of Poles and other eastern Europeans moved to Ireland and worked in the construction industry (up until 2007). 'Illegal' migration i would associate with people working as maids, and cleaning houses. With direct provision (not being allowed to work in Ireland, some asylum seekers waiting to be processed are placed in camps to live, and banned from working, given limited food and ~€19 per week, which is next to nothing).
orathaic (1009 D (B))
01 Dec 17 UTC
All of these are largely Specific to Ireland, and maybe the UK to some extent.
CAPT Brad (40 D X)
01 Dec 17 UTC
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ship them out. they steal jobs from inner city teenagers
Tom Bombadil (3604 D (G))
01 Dec 17 UTC
In Metro Detroit (the largest concentration of Arab Americans in the U.S) the perception is mostly that immigrants from the middle east tend to be very entrepreneurial - there are many small businesses owned by middle eastern families
Ogion (3943 D)
01 Dec 17 UTC
Here in California, the agricultural sector includes a significant number of undocummented recent migrants. For people who have been here longer, they're in every sector: business owners, doctors, engineers, everything
orathaic (1009 D (B))
01 Dec 17 UTC
@Capt Brad: In theory, a migrant labourer working for less might displace a local worker by working for less. And thus make the economy of that country more efficient, cheaper goods/services on average would benefit the great majority of people - everyone except that single displaced worker is better off.

You may have to multiply this by hundreds of thousands to realise any appreciable economic benefit, at which point more workers have been displaced and become disgruntled.

Given the relative ability in english, if a migrant who is able to steal your job deserve the job.
TooCoolSunday (207 D)
01 Dec 17 UTC
This won't be a good paper. Your evidence will be anecdotal at best and so biased as to be useless for a reasoned argument.

As with any debate on immigration you will discover you will find the facts to support the point of view you already hold and be able to nullify any facts that are to the contrary.
reedeer1 (100 D)
01 Dec 17 UTC
CAPT Brad, often times the jobs the migrants work, the work for less than an employer would be able to pay an American citizen because of minimum wage laws. Often if the enployer wasn’t hiring an undocumented worker, the job would not be available at all, and even some buisness would go out of buisness. I know that up in northern New York where I go to college, there is not enough people interested in working the dirty smelly job of taking care of the milk cows, and so the farmers pay undocumented workers good wages to do the work. Its not a simple as kicking the migrants out and stoping the job crisis. They were to leave, milk would no longer be something that was in all grocery stores, because the farms would go out of buisness because of lack of workers, and all the animals would be killed. There are a few farmers who have converted to machetes, but that is a multi million dollar investment, and has the potential to never pay off or break causing expensive repairs. The county I’m in is the porters in New York State, and so million dollar investments are not an option.
reedeer1 (100 D)
01 Dec 17 UTC
@TooCoolSunday I don’t plan on taking a side. I have my biases, but I want to portray the facts to alow the reader to format an opinion. I will take a hard look at my bias, and attempt to pull it out of the paper.
CAPT Brad (40 D X)
01 Dec 17 UTC
@ orathaic
everyone except that single displaced worker is better off.

so that is the story to sell to the inner city teens who would rather have a job than join a gang?
CAPT Brad (40 D X)
01 Dec 17 UTC
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Given the relative ability in english, if a migrant who is able to steal your job deserve the job.

^ Clearly you are no master of English either orathaic
TooCoolSunday (207 D)
01 Dec 17 UTC
Don't kid yourself reedeer. You have already taken sides. Your, not very good point, about migrants working for less than employers could afford gives evidence of this. Otherwise you would have noted the counter argument that employers who can't or won't pay even minimum wage shouldn't be in business.
Wusti (961 D)
02 Dec 17 UTC
You could just follow the Australian method and send them off to either:

A) Birdshit covered rock in the middle of the Pacific and let them play Lord of the Flies;

or

B) Send them to a Papua New Guinean island populated by cannibals, then kick them out of the nice safe centre you built to contain them.

Illegal migrant job theft problem solved.

Alternatively you could hold out the hope of a longer visa (extending the Croc and shark baiting use considerably) by forcing them into indentured slavery to Australian food growers.

Either way, who said there was a problem with illegal migrant workers?
Octavious (1716 D)
02 Dec 17 UTC
There's a problem with illegal migrant workers.

There you go. I just said it :).
MajorMitchell (984 D)
02 Dec 17 UTC
Crikey Redeer..you think the minimum wage in the USA is much of a hurdle ? It's a poverty level wage. You have countless examples of people in the USA working multiple part time jobs on minimum wages ( typically in the fast food industry ) who work up to 70 hrs per week and struggle to meet basic living costs. Look at the example of Walmart workers needing assistance from charities.
Face it, capitalism as practised in the USA is a corrupt disgrace.
MajorMitchell (984 D)
02 Dec 17 UTC
Yes Wusti, I agree that the way my nation treats boat refugees, particularly children is a disgrace. On the other hand we take, per capita a significantly high number of refugees through "organised immigration" schemes and once they arrive they can access relatively generous welfare, health and education services.
But "boat people" are victims of domestic politics, and in particular the victims of extreme right wing Conservative Politicians, like Pauline Hanson's One Nation Party
Maniac (344 D (B))
02 Dec 17 UTC
@Octavious "The job that immediately springs to mind, purely because of its visibility, is the selling of watches, sunglasses, and leather goods in pretty much every single tourist location in southern Europe."

What makes you think the people doing these jobs are illegal immigrants?
Maniac (344 D (B))
02 Dec 17 UTC
Capt Brad "ship them out. they steal jobs from inner city teenagers"

Are you talking about illegal migrants or legal migrants?
Maniac (344 D (B))
02 Dec 17 UTC
@reedeer1 - in the UK estimates of illegal migration vary massively from under 500,000 to 1.1m. That's not surprising by the very nature of it being illegal. We have penalties in place for people hiring illegal immigrants and landlords now must check the immigration status of prospective tenants. That doesn't stop people wit good fake documents (some of which can be purchased from threads on this very website).

There has been cases of illegal immigrants being found working as cleaners and door security at our home office and several government depatments, local authorities, NHS trust and schools have been discovered employing illegal migrants.

Generally the larger more respectable businesses who can't have their reputations damaged would have better systems for ensuring they comply with the law. Smaller companies and those operating on the edge or outside the law would be less stringent. That may give you an idea as to what jobs illegal immigrants end up doing. Many would work in the sex trade, either voluntary or otherwise. Many would work as home-helps or nannies, domestic cleaners etc. Many will be employed via agencies or gangmasters so that they can be 'hidden' from the end employer. This would be some building trades, farm labourers, cleaners etc.

Perhaps it's worth finding out the occupations of those who have been successfully deported. It won't give a complete picture, but you might see patterns.

Octavious (1716 D)
02 Dec 17 UTC
@Maniac

A combination of all of them, every single one, being black African, the fact that you often see them scarper, and the various articles you read which interview illegal immigrants trying to make a living in Europe.
Octavious (1716 D)
02 Dec 17 UTC
*scarper when the police come
CAPT Brad (40 D X)
02 Dec 17 UTC
Why would I want to ship out legal migrants?
Octavious (1716 D)
02 Dec 17 UTC
Because flying them out is expensive.
reedeer1 (100 D)
02 Dec 17 UTC
@Maniac thanks, that helps a lot.
Maniac (344 D (B))
02 Dec 17 UTC
@Octavious, perhaps they are scarpering because they don't have a licence to trade. Being black African does not equal illegal migrant.
Ogion (3943 D)
02 Dec 17 UTC
Lol. Reedeer thinks that wages under minimum wage are "good wages". I'm guessing he has never lived on minimum wage.
reedeer1 (100 D)
02 Dec 17 UTC
The workers up here make 11 to 17 fillers an hour. Not minimum wage for the dairy workers.
orathaic (1009 D (B))
02 Dec 17 UTC
To be fair, lots of people scarper when the see police, being low status in a society which employs police(thugs) to protect the interests of the high status, literally incentivises them to flee.

Many people have regular negative interactions with police, and thus avoid them to make life easier. Try wearing a suit vs looking homeless and see the difference in how the average person treats you. That difference is amplified by the authority invested in a police uniform, and tends to result in much harsher treatment for *insert whoever society looks down on*
Octavious (1716 D)
02 Dec 17 UTC
Maniac: How did you know it was raining?

Oct: The sky was full of dark clouds, people had their umbrellas up, and I was getting wet.

Maniac: Just because there are dark clouds doesn't mean it's raining.


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CommanderByron (619 D Mod (S))
02 Dec 17 UTC
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Cheap Profile Quotes
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damo666 (215 D)
01 Dec 17 UTC
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Bored
And pissed
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brainbomb (474 D)
01 Dec 17 UTC
Beer battered Cod
I just ate some beer battered Cod. I have a fish allergy but that was tasty. Share your best Beer Battered Cod experiences here.
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Fluminator (511 D)
30 Nov 17 UTC
Are any of you paid Russian trolls?
Confess here please.
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WyattS14 (100 D)
30 Nov 17 UTC
Poetry opportunities..?
There used to be great organizations that worked through my school for poetry in youth, but now that I actually have an appreciation for poetry it seems like there aren't as many opportunities to perform or compete with poems.
Is anyone aware of prominent high school poetry organizations?
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c0dyz (100 D)
27 Nov 17 UTC
RIP my RR
How to reliably raise a reliability rating?
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KingCyrus (512 D)
01 Dec 17 UTC
Preventative Action In North Korea
Writing a paper on this... Curious what other peoples' thoughts are.
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WyattS14 (100 D)
29 Nov 17 UTC
Anyone else about to reach $10k?
I heard one special, little snowflake was getting there. Any other miserable sobs about to reach $10k?
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HAL9OOO (319 D (B))
01 Dec 17 UTC
Is this game getting less popular?
I remember using this site years ago and I felt I could always find games to join, or if I made a game it would fill up in a couple of days at most.

Is there another site that people are using to play? It still seems like this one is the best at least from my quick google.
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President Eden (2427 D)
30 Nov 17 UTC
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Dems/progs, are y'all really running Zuckerborg in 2020?
I know I know, insert "lul ReTHUGlicans nominated DONALD TUCKING DRUMPH xDDD" memes here.
Why is Zuckerborg on the short list of nominations right now though?
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MamaLama (212 D)
30 Nov 17 UTC
Mafia Style DImplomacy
What if we had a game type where everyone was completely anonymous such that no one knew what country anyone else was and it was global chat only
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Smokey Gem (204 D)
29 Nov 17 UTC
Australian Icons we have stolen.
What can you think of?


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VashtaNeurotic (644 D)
24 Nov 17 UTC
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Must See Movie Reccomendations
So I like movies a lot and one of my goals in life is to watch every movie that is worth watching. I've seen most of AFIs top 100 and I have a to-watch list that is 168 films and counting. As such, I was curious if anyone here has some must-see movies that I may not know about.
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WyattS14 (100 D)
29 Nov 17 UTC
Music major?
I've considered pursuing a music major.. is the outcome worth the cost? It seems like the stereotype for music majors is that there's no real future.
What ARE the possibilities?
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Durga (1187 D)
23 Nov 17 UTC
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Where do you get your news from?
I'm curious as to where you guys are getting your information from, and what you read on the regular
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Claesar (1288 D Mod)
27 Nov 17 UTC
High-bet full-anon full-press game
Peace has come at last to the great Bunny Kingdom! Lead your clan of rabbits to glory by gathering resources and building new cities across the land!

gameID=211221
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brainbomb (474 D)
28 Nov 17 UTC
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The Arab Spring was a horrible failure
Can you name any countries that benefitted from the Arab Spring? Libya is literally a slave-state, Egyptians overthrew one leader only to overthrow the next, Iranian arab spring failed, Syria is a bloodbath. Is there a single positive that came from this movement?
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Durga (1187 D)
29 Nov 17 UTC
Liberal tops Conservative Game Board
gameID=206622 facts only or fake news
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Literary Pugilist (291 D)
24 Nov 17 UTC
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Why no love for Sum of Squares scoring?
Personally, I'm not a big fan of Draw Size scoring, because it rewards the power that hung on with one dot the same as the 17 SC power that was a hair away from the solo.

What I've noticed is that almost every new game is Draw Size Scoring. Is that just because it's the default option or are players here just not fond of it.
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TrPrado (367 D Mod)
29 Nov 17 UTC
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ATC about to reach for a beer from the fridge
Anyone else excited?
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LeonWalras (402 D)
29 Nov 17 UTC
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The Paris Uprising of 1832 was a horrible failure
Can you name any characters that benefited from the Paris Uprising of 1832? Éponine is literally and figuratively heartbroken, Jean Valjean overcame Javert only to die of old age in the next bloody act. Is there a single positive that came from this musical?
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WyattS14 (100 D)
29 Nov 17 UTC
What's ATC?
As soon as I saw it I thought American Trans Club, but I was a little confused as to why they were reaching for a beer in the fridge..?
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CAPT Brad (40 D X)
29 Nov 17 UTC
Who Are The Real Dinosaurs In Congress?
Republicans do a better job of promoting younger members, in part because they limit, to six years, the length of time a member can be chairman or chairwoman of a committee. Democrats do not impose term limits on committee leaders or so-called ranking members, the top slot for lawmakers who are in the minority.
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zultar (3900 D Mod (P))
24 Nov 17 UTC
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KansasBoyd has been banned.
For those interested.
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