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CommanderByron (619 D Mod (S))
11 Nov 17 UTC
#MeToo
There’s enough vile people on here I think this conversation would be fun to watch.
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LeonWalras (402 D)
07 Nov 17 UTC
(+5)
We need extensive background checks
before people are allowed to shitpost on the forum.
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JamesYanik (548 D)
10 Nov 17 UTC
Alabama GOP
Please go away.

-Sincerely, Everyone
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Smokey Gem (204 D)
09 Nov 17 UTC
Is it possible that human kind will ever live in peace. ?
We all want it that incredible vast majority. o why do we do what we do . How can we be so benovolent and violent at thesame time?
CroakandDagger (675 D)
09 Nov 17 UTC
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The answer is not pleasant, but it explains a lot.

A peaceful society cannot defend itself from a violent society. If one People condones political violence, terrorism and rape of their rivals wives and daughetrs on an industrial scale and another People espouses tolerance, patience and pacifism then one of these Peoples will cease to exist if they share the same space.
Deeply_Dippy (435 D)
09 Nov 17 UTC
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Is it possible; yes.

Is it probable; no.
ishirkmywork (1265 D)
09 Nov 17 UTC
the choices are peace and cooperation
or
certain extinction due to short sighted competition and tribalism.
these days i'm not too bullish on the first scenario, considering we are going to be extinct in a couple of centuries due to climate change.
TrPrado (367 D Mod)
09 Nov 17 UTC
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Conveniently I wrote a paper about Woodrow Wilson last night. He had this same vision of a lasting human peace. As it went on, his idea for achieving peace came more and more at the need to get there through war. The idea of peace through war was his justification for the League of Nations. The concept has remained popular yet its remained essentially impossible to separate it from the desire to accumulate land, wealth, and power, as Wilson had envisioned.

I also hate Woodrow Wilson.
ishirkmywork (1265 D)
09 Nov 17 UTC
we are still cleaning up his crap.
Randomizer (100 D)
09 Nov 17 UTC
Once humanity is dead it will be at peace.
StevenC. (1047 D (B))
09 Nov 17 UTC
no
Octavious (1716 D)
09 Nov 17 UTC
Imagine a world so grim and humanity so lifeless there was nothing worth fighting for.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MF_4EWSuzQY

says it all in less than 30 seconds
ishirkmywork (1265 D)
09 Nov 17 UTC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLCF7vPanrY
Smokey Gem (204 D)
10 Nov 17 UTC
Psychologist did a study that most people like to share resourese equally as long as their share is a little bit more.

Why can we see a concept we cannot achieve . Is peace an evolutionary dead end.?

I suppose there is no " peace " in nature at all when you look at it . All organisms compete for resourses that might just be the nature of life .
But we have concsiuos thought as well so the fight is relley between our instinkive selves and our evolutionary programing .

Just go with that Im not debating creationism v evolution.
Smokey Gem (204 D)
10 Nov 17 UTC
" Freedom from the Human Condition "

repetative but interisng free book.
President Eden (2427 D)
10 Nov 17 UTC
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I believe that humankind will never live in lasting peace with each other. The competitive pressures of our environment will ensure that any global peace will be temporary at best. We are structurally incapable of empathizing with the entirety of humanity -- there is a cognitive limit on the number of people with whom we can relate on a nonsuperficial level and it is much smaller than "seven billion and rising." The inevitable need to ration limited resources to sustain life, coupled with the enormous gap between the total number of people in the world and the number of people with whom we can relate on a substantial level, creates an unsolvable exclusionary list of priorities for each of the seven billion people on this planet. That scenario makes violence inevitable.

However, there are a couple of fantastic mechanisms we have evolved to utilize, which work both to expand the scope of our empathy and to negotiate with outgroups to reduce violence.

1) In-grouping based on shared culture, religion, and race. These collective identities work to establish common bonds with people outside of your normal cognitive capacities, which expands your in-group to a scale of thousands or millions.
In this respect, I think conventional political academics' discussions of nationalism are grotesquely off-point. They focus on the capacity for one nationality to commit acts of violence against another nationality, but they don't realize that this violence is inevitable. They naively believe that by eliminating national identity, you eliminate the violence committed in its name. The reality is that this violence would simply be committed with a different focus in largely the same quantities and intensities. Nation-states built on a common identity, whether shared culture, race, religion, or even other factors like history (see: the United States), have stronger in-group cohesiveness and form more stable societies.

2) The creation of states for members of an in-group to use to represent themselves in interactions with out-groups. We have seen the ability of a competently-managed state to reduce violence and instability, both within that state's boundaries and in interactions with peoples outside of those boundaries. In the context of having strong nation-states as their charter members, I even think historically-inept organizations like the United Nations have a role to play in this. They just have to give up the hate boner for states with strong national identities and recognize their role as a negotiator between peoples, instead of trying to dissolve the undissolvable divides between people in the naive belief that we are all the same and can all be one people.

It is a shame that so many in Western societies see nation-states as a liability. They are liable to increase violence between different peoples, it's true. But they lead to much more stable societies than the multicultural, multinational states that this decades-long globalization push results in, and with competently-managed international organizations (which didn't exist the last time that the world's most powerful states each had strong and distinct national identities), the ingroup-outgroup violence can be mitigated and managed.

We're never going to eliminate violence on a group scale. As long as there is scarcity, we are inevitably going to have some conflict. But by channeling our historically-best methods for expanding our in-group empathy and creating strong institutions to represent our groups and negotiate disputes between other groups, we can get as close as is realistically possible.
Smokey Gem (204 D)
10 Nov 17 UTC
@Pres E.

Would this change do you think if there was an extrenal threat to existance . IE another life form extraterestrial Would our capacity to enlarge our In-Grouping capacity.

And if so is it possible for evolved states / companies to manipulate informaton to make such a senario true in the yes of the masses.
Smokey Gem (204 D)
10 Nov 17 UTC
eyes not yes.
KingCyrus (512 D)
10 Nov 17 UTC
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"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world because they'd never expect it."
CAPT Brad (40 D X)
10 Nov 17 UTC
there was Pax Romana, a long period of relative peacefulness and minimal expansion by the Roman military force experienced by the Roman Empire after the end of the Final War of the Roman Republic and before the beginning of the Crisis of the Third Century.
CAPT Brad (40 D X)
10 Nov 17 UTC
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in other words, no. we can't even be civil in the forum and we all share a love for the game of diplomacy. what hope is there for the world that does not understand the game of diplomacy?
President Eden (2427 D)
10 Nov 17 UTC
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For your first question, yes. I think the logic that informs my beliefs implies that if an extraterrestrial, existential, nonhuman threat appeared on Earth, humans would be more likely to band together against that threat rather than attempt to leverage that threat against other humans. I think there'd be a lot of both, and the degree of animosity between different human groups would inform each group's response. For example, I hardly expect that Israelis and Palestinians, or Pakistanis and Indians, would be likely to unite against an alien threat than they would to try to leverage it against each other; but I think the United States and Russia would be more likely to cooperate against the threat if it posed a grave danger to either of them (and certainly the US and China would work together).

As for the second one, I think that's a question of capacity more than functionality. If media companies across the globe were somehow able to coordinate a mass global misinformation campaign to convince the world's human population that an existential alien threat was imminent, then the world's governments might be able to leverage that belief to forge increased cooperation. I am not sure how that would happen, but for sake of thought experiment, if they were capable of doing this, then yes you might see that result.
CAPT Brad (40 D X)
10 Nov 17 UTC
eden blowing smoke again ^
Smokey Gem (204 D)
10 Nov 17 UTC
amazon is an AI
Bamawhite (707 D)
10 Nov 17 UTC
Because global leaders and media lying to 90% of the world population and forcing them to do what the leaders want is okay.....
MajorMitchell (984 D)
10 Nov 17 UTC
Well of course we can have peace, just as soon as the believers unite under one God & exterminate all those wicked unbelievers. Then annihilate different factional groups of heretics within the faith. If course those who show disenchantment, have a tendency to ask too many questions will also have to be ruthlessly culled. It yes, Peace through religious oppression is definitely achievable despite centuries of evidence that indicates otherwise.


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CommanderByron (619 D Mod (S))
08 Nov 17 UTC
Curiosity: Coloreds
Why are the countries colored differently than the original board? anyone with insight, not complaining just curious.
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swordsman3003 (10555 D (G))
10 Nov 17 UTC
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hypothetical changes to classic map
Ideas I have had that I thought might improve balancing. Not saying that I would advocate for all of these; they're just ideas I think about sometimes.
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damian (675 D)
08 Nov 17 UTC
48 Hour Full Press. GR 250+
Does anyone want to play a game?
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brainbomb (474 D)
08 Nov 17 UTC
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After how many times Jurassic Park has failed why is there still investors?
How many times has this place failed or expeditions to it have failed? Seems like the liability lawsuits alone wouldve ensured that park wouldnt have ever been remade.
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Randomizer (100 D)
07 Nov 17 UTC
It's easier to get a gun, than ….
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/16/health/getting-gun-ease-trnd/index.html

In the wake of the last two mass shootings, I didn't know that I would have a harder time buying a puppy than a gun. There are even more restrictions to join Diplomacy.
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LeonWalras (402 D)
30 Oct 17 UTC
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Daily MARX
In celebration of recent forum breakthroughs, I thought we'd bring back the daily Marx thread. Post your Marx quotes here.
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damo666 (215 D)
09 Nov 17 UTC
Players Ranks
How are these determined? Compare these two: a) Played 25 Defeated 7 (28%) Won 2 (8%) Drawn 11 (44%) Survived 5 (20%) Rank EXPERIENCED b) Played 21 Defeated 6 (29%) Won 4 (19%) Drawn 4 (19%) Survived 7 (33%) Rank POLITICAL PUPPET. Just wondering.....
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HBbuc (113 D)
30 Oct 17 UTC
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Hypothetical scenario
Hypothetical scenario: Get rid of Gender pronouns and call everyone and everyone and everything "it" and other variations of that.

Your thoughts?
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Thaneofwhiterun (1266 D)
07 Nov 17 UTC
Where did everybody go?
I feel so lonely, I can't even start up a 1v1 game...
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daveliney (449 D)
08 Nov 17 UTC
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Remove the no orders/saved/ready icons
There are 10 minutes to go and still !! is shown next to a country. It's probably going to NMR. This allows countries around it to make moves that they normally wouldn't confident that the sensible supports and moves to SCs won't take place. Which unbalances the game.

If the icons were removed then it is less obvious that an NMR is about to happen. Is there a reason for the icons that I'm missing?
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fdfggg123 (0 D X)
09 Nov 17 UTC
JANUARY Furniture
JANUARY Furniture is specialized in manufacturing quality custom furniture for the hotel, resort, department and hospitality industry etc.http://www.jyhotelfurniture.com/
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JEccles (425 D)
08 Nov 17 UTC
CD vs NMR
I'm looking at my CD's and NMR's, and I noticed that in one game that I had a Civil Disorder, it gave me 12 NMR's, another CD 3 NMR's, and then the rest of my CD's I have 0 NMR's. Can anyone explain how this works and why there's such a huge discrepancy on this? And is this also a "double jeopardy" against my Reliability Rating to count NMR's and CD's from the same game? This part has always confused me. Thanks!
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Condescension (10 D X)
08 Nov 17 UTC
School of War Drama Thread
Since the drama in the official thread has been Shut Down, please post all drama related xontent here.
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Tanteno (126 D)
08 Nov 17 UTC
World diplomacy - color pallet
So I've been playing a lot of world diplomacy lately and I've notices something that has been bothering me.

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MKECharlie (1926 D (G))
04 Nov 17 UTC
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Procrastination
I was selected to speak at a Meetup and a tech conference, both next week. The best part of getting chosen is how much stuff I'm getting done in order to avoid working on my speeches!
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LeonWalras (402 D)
19 Oct 17 UTC
New Zealand has a new Prime Minister
Labour did a full coalition deal with our weird centrist version of UKIP, so that'll be interesting. Greens to make up the numbers with confidence and supply in exchange for policy concessions and ministers outside of cabinet. I for one am cautiously optimistic about the coalition of chaos.
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ssorenn (2662 D (G))
31 Oct 17 UTC
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Terror attack in NY
Another Islamic militant, drove a truck into bike lane in lower manhattan kills at least 6 with dozens more injured. Hmm, all you snowflakes want more of these fucks in our boarders. Sad. My heart and condolences to those hurt.
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MoscowFleet (136 D)
03 Oct 17 UTC
MLB Playoffs
Who ya got?? I really like this Houston team, but Cleveland has been on some sort of roll. Dark horse to win it all for me is Arizona. Looking forward to tonight’s game!
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brainbomb (474 D)
07 Nov 17 UTC
Trumpy Bear
https://youtu.be/i9qv8RSreIM
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Hellenic Riot (1574 D (G))
06 Nov 17 UTC
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November Ghost Ratings Published
http://tournaments.webdiplomacy.net/theghost-ratingslist

As ever, +1's are always welcome! :)
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Peregrine Falcon (1581 D (B))
04 Nov 17 UTC
Conspiracy Theories
Which do you subscribe to? The moon landing? The Illuminati? The US liberal media? Trump and Russia? GMOs? Climate change? 9/11? The Holocaust? The war against Islam? Aliens? Planet X? Vaccines? Chemtrails? Flat earth? Obama's birthplace? Deep state? Fluoridation?
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Durga (1187 D)
01 Nov 17 UTC
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Thinking about how to improve webdip
See below
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MajorMitchell (984 D)
03 Nov 17 UTC
Refugees.. Does Uganda treat refugees better than many wealthy Nations ?
More refugees from South Sudan entered Uganda in the last 12 months than entered Europe. Uganda allows them to enter, to work, gives many a small plot of land to farm. To appease locals in regional areas where refugees settle the Government allocates 30% of aid to local communities. My own Nation, Australia, a relatively wealthy nation treats some refugees well, but others with harsh treatment, incarceration in detention camps.
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abgemacht (840 D (G))
04 Nov 17 UTC
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Carnage Con
Well it only took 8 hours, but placed second as Turkey in Game 1 Board 1
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2ndWhiteLine (2875 D (B))
14 Aug 17 UTC
New ex-mod game
PM for info. Non-anon public press. Former mods preferred.
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captainmeme (844 D Mod)
17 Oct 17 UTC
1v1 Showdown - The Grand Final
110 Players. 500 Games. 2 Finalists.

After 10 months, it’s time to decide the Showdown’s victor.
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