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Ogion (4263 D)
07 Sep 17 UTC
Conservatives' edumacated people iz so stooped thread
We get it. You hate smart people and those who have made the effort to educate themselves. Scientists and scholars are so elite and are all prize idiots and are nothing compared to the brilliance of high school drop outs from the "heartland".
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KansasBoyd (25 D X)
29 Aug 17 UTC
University Professor fired over tweet
A University of Tampa Sociology professor was fired after tweeting Hurricane Harvey was karma for Texas for voting for Trump.

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acamer4 (1022 D)
07 Sep 17 UTC
oh no!
now that it's about to be canceled is it safe to post gameID=204936 on the forum and speculate wildly about who was cheating??
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The Ambassador (159 D)
06 Sep 17 UTC
Latest podcast episode: interview with Captainmeme
Hi webDippers

In the latest podcast episode of DiplomacyGames we interview Captainmeme, talk about how to create a Dip variant and introduce a new segment: Pet Peeves, which I'll post separately on.
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jengamaster (2119 D)
07 Sep 17 UTC
Biggest game of all time?
Would it be appropriate/allowable to have commentary on the biggest game of all time? I ask because it is an anon gunboat game. But it seems like the type of game people could learn from like school of war.
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jengamaster (2119 D)
07 Sep 17 UTC
(+1)
Three build Turkey or Four Build Russia in 01
Have you ever seen this rare beast in a game that was not marred by NMR? If so, how did it come to pass? And how well did that country do in the long run?
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peterwiggin (15247 D Mod (S))
06 Sep 17 UTC
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Mod team personnel announcement
Socrates Dissatisfied has decided to step down from the moderator team. Please join me in thanking him for his service.

Szpoti has agreed to join the mod team. Please join me in thanking him for his dedication to the site and willingness to volunteer.
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captainmeme (1111 D Mod)
06 Sep 17 UTC
(+3)
Diplomacy PSA
https://gfycat.com/ShimmeringUnsteadyHamadryas
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Oztra (30 D X)
03 Sep 17 UTC
San Francisco reccomendations
I'll be going to the US western seaboard in the next few weeks and am looking to do a fair amount of sightseeing while there. Anyone have recommendations for can't miss sights/experiences? (let the sarcasm...and hopefully 1 or 2 useful suggestions...abound)
legit tho
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Shenguin (268 D)
05 Sep 17 UTC
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Ghost Ratings and CD Takeovers
Do the Ghost Ratings include games where the player takes over a CD? If a player regularly takes over CDs in a more or less hopeless position does it effectively screw up the player's ghost rating?

And, finally, why do I keep taking over hopeless CDs and should I seek professional help?
A_Tin_Can (2249 D)
05 Sep 17 UTC
Yes
Yes
I cannot help you, I am not that kind of professional.
A_Tin_Can (2249 D)
05 Sep 17 UTC
Having said that, GR doesn't scale losses by the other players. So if you lose against the best rated players, or a bunch of newbies, the effect on your rating is the same.

So it's not that dangerous to take over games. It's better to play a bunch and solo a few.
Claesar (4342 D Mod)
05 Sep 17 UTC
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No, if you take over a CD it will not count towards Ghost Rating. Therefore, it is essentially a harmless shot at free points. Also, you help other players out!

Thank you for contributing to the community. You do not require professional help per se.
A_Tin_Can (2249 D)
05 Sep 17 UTC
Claesar, you are not correct. GR definitely includes CD takeovers.

Except for the last part, we're all grateful to players who take over CDs.
Claesar (4342 D Mod)
05 Sep 17 UTC
ATC, when was this changed? I remember they weren't included.
A_Tin_Can (2249 D)
05 Sep 17 UTC
They have always been included.
Claesar (4342 D Mod)
05 Sep 17 UTC
Well, you would know, so I have been lied to previously. Thanks for clearing that up.
Shenguin (268 D)
05 Sep 17 UTC
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Thanks for the information. I will continue to take over CDs anyway.
PRINCE WILLIAM (379 D)
05 Sep 17 UTC
Games one on one like France vs Austria count?
Claesar (4342 D Mod)
05 Sep 17 UTC
No, these are always Unranked. Well, they count only for the 1v1 ELO but not the other rankings.
CCR (498 D)
05 Sep 17 UTC
I have raised this same point on vdip regarding their own elo-based rankings and it hasn't caught much attention. Someone responded that "no posiiton is impossible", what I severily disagree.

The Ghost Ratings (and the vrankings) should improve their Replacement Policy.

A simple rule like "in the case of a replacement player, he would NOT lower his rating based on that game -- it would remain unchanged" would not penalize those who are actually helping.

Check out the JDPR experience from some twenty years ago - pro-rated strenghts by phases played, pro-rated expected values, pro-rated points won from the game, and, specially benefic to the whole community as general stimulous for replacing condemned powers, that said simple rule:
http://www.diplomatic-pouch.org/Email/Ratings/JDPR/replace.html
PRINCE WILLIAM (379 D)
05 Sep 17 UTC
Thanks for the answer.
Claesar (4342 D Mod)
05 Sep 17 UTC
@CCR: I suspect the answer is that they would love to change the current system to the one you're suggesting. It's probably even on the very long to-do list.

If you can code and would like to contribute, contact the mod team! There's even a list somewhere of things that anyone can pick up and try to fix.
A_Tin_Can (2249 D)
05 Sep 17 UTC
Claesar is absolutely correct. WebDiplomacy is not short of good and wide ranging ideas for improvement. What it *is* short of is people willing to dedicate the time to improving the site.

On the subject of GR and takeovers, it is clear that treating them the same as a game that you played from start to finish is not the best choice.

Part of the reason that takeovers are not considered at GR time is historical - for a long time, takeovers (and CDs) were not recorded in the database. It's not possible to reconstruct them accurately from the move log, either (for example, all holds is a legitimate and common choice for small powers on the stalemate line, waiting out for the construction or failure of the rest of the line).

We do have more recent takeovers - but if we only remove recent takeovers, then players who have been on the site for a long time will have an advantage.

We *could* do a ratings wipe, and start again. But I can't imagine that being very popular.

GR games are currently "worth" a predictable sum. If this amount changes because of takeovers (or not), it could have unpredictable results on the rest of the rating system.

But having said that, GR is not actually a very effective rating system (you can measure this by comparing the error in the predicted outcomes each game). I've written extensively about this before, but the major problems are that:

1) All losses are equal, regardless of who you are playing against
2) The amount a game is worth scales with the rating of the players you're playing with (including your own). This creates a bit of a rich-get-richer economy

A proper analysis of the problems isn't something I want to repeat here (it's somewhere in the archives for those dedicated souls who want to look for it), but I generally feel that if we were to modify the system, we'd be better off replacing the whole thing with something more principled.

Personally, what I'd like to see is a separate ladder for takeovers. Perhaps this is scored by the difference between what a position was worth (under the particular game's scoring system) when you took it over, and what it was worth when you finished the game.

This would especially incentivise takeovers of small positions - since they have the smallest possible loss, and the largest potential for gain. And I think that's a good thing for the site.
MajorMitchell (1033 D)
06 Sep 17 UTC
Imho, these "free" buy one of CD countries are iniquitously unfair to the players who bought in at the start of a game. It's a racket that opportunistic and pestilential interlopers exploit and as far as I'm concerned it's a disgraceful change.
MajorMitchell (1033 D)
06 Sep 17 UTC
Bloody typos..free buy in.. Not free buy one


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spacecadet (329 D)
05 Sep 17 UTC
the odd man out - strategy question
so i got a strategy question for everyone:
the way i see it, 80% of games take the same route:
there is one odd man out which is attacked by the 2 others.
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Hellenic Riot (1619 D (G))
04 Sep 17 UTC
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September GR Published
https://sites.google.com/site/phpdiplomacytournaments/theghost-ratingslist

All +1's are welcome as usual :)
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trip (462 D (B))
27 Aug 17 UTC
France vs Austria
A set of friendlies if anyone is interested. 85% RR to go.
gameID=205274
gameID=205277
gameID=205276
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Smokey Gem (184 D)
06 Sep 17 UTC
Voice to Text Sftware.
Hi all I need to do lots of notes and driving for my work.
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Mintyboy4 (100 D)
05 Sep 17 UTC
Is it against the rules to tell somebody you've voted draw in hidden draw votes?
As written in the title.
Been a while since I've actively played the site. Few things have changed.
Just wanted to make sure.
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Thucydides (869 D (B))
30 Aug 17 UTC
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Are you people still on this fucken web site
Yes I'm still alive. My family in Houston evacuated. Everything is fine. Climate change is real. I'm still an anarchist. Suck it.
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slypups (1889 D)
04 Sep 17 UTC
Looking for substitute for Pairs game
Interesting concept game here - players are paired on the Modern Diplomacy II map. Unfortunately, we're about to lose one player (game currently paused) and might lose another, although we hope he's able to return. So looking for one more - more details follow...
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spacecadet (329 D)
04 Sep 17 UTC
suspected cheating
hello everyone!
i suspect cheating in a recent game. id like to contact a mod about it.
rather not give any details and speak to a mod directly.
anyone has any idea how i get in touch with one?
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Obbergruppenfuhrer (110 D)
31 Aug 17 UTC
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Talking to other Players
Just wondering what other people think about how to communicate to other players. Some players go over the top and just write way to much, in my opinion. On the other hand there are people, like me, who keep it direct and to the point. Which way is best?
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chluke (8555 D (G))
04 Sep 17 UTC
Biggest Game of All Time
I've been asked to help try to launch the "Biggest Game of All Time" one more time. This time you don't need a password to join, but you do need 4,500 points! Gunboat, 48hrs, Anon, DSS, HDV:
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=205586
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jmo1121109 (3802 D Mod)
29 Aug 17 UTC
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England Recommendations
I'll be working in the UK for the next few months and am looking to do a fair amount of sightseeing while there. Anyone have recommendations for can't miss sights/experiences? (let the sarcasm...and hopefully 1 or 2 useful suggestions...abound)
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Maltir (125 D)
25 Aug 17 UTC
Map Question
What is that big black spot between Munic, Piedmont, and Burgundy?
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ubercacher16 (259 D)
25 Aug 17 UTC
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Question Thread
Ask your questions! I, and hopefully others, will most likely be able to answer them.
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Hamilton Brian (739 D (B))
31 Aug 17 UTC
Thread for the cancelled game "Seriously this time. Do talk. A lot..."
Here's our chance for the big reveal.
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CAPT Brad (40 D X)
03 Sep 17 UTC
Post Your Live Games Here
This is the the thread to post all and any live games!! Third time is the charm!!!
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Live game needs 3!
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=205600
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ubercacher16 (259 D)
01 Sep 17 UTC
Live Med?
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=205582
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Player finder for live games
Just hoping to find some players to play live games with
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CAPT Brad (40 D X)
28 Aug 17 UTC
Fake News! The Hype is a Ruse!!
this gameID=205041 billed as the biggest pot will never happen!!!
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CAPT Brad (40 D X)
31 Aug 17 UTC
What Would JamietUK or Krellin Do or Say?
Enough about WWJD or What Yoda would say. What could the commentary of our recently departed members be?
15 replies
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