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brainbomb (39 D)
Thu 14 Sep UTC
Communism is the purest form of Government
I am going to start an American Communist movement focused on Climate Change Awareness, Redustribution of wealth, and eliminating all taxes
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DemonOverlord (489 D)
Thu 14 Sep UTC
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Webdip or r/The_Donald
Let's play a game. I'm going to post a series of quotes and you're going to guess if the quote is from webdip or r/The_Donald
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Aegon I Targaryen (14 D)
Fri 15 Sep UTC
gunboat 726
game up in a few mins. 5 minutes per phase gunboat anonymous sum of squares games. Need a few people
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Giuseppe Garibaldi (90 D)
Wed 13 Sep UTC
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Why did America elect a fat orange pervert as their president?
so strange. I'm interested to hear your thoughts
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Al Swearengen (1524 D)
Wed 13 Sep UTC
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Build That Wall
Build That Wall!
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Wusti (464 D)
Wed 13 Sep UTC
Interested parties for 101+ GR Serious Game
Anyone else feel betrayed by a broken and hideously unfair and unscrupulous GR system?
Do you think you're better than your doctored stats make you out to be?
Well here is a game just for YOU.
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Maniac (344 D (B))
29 Aug 17 UTC
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Story time
North Korea Didn't fire the missile: Hackers Did.
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CommanderByron (699 D (S))
Sun 10 Sep UTC
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Webdipia Alt-Hist Simulator 3
Here at last, fresh on the tail of the Sci-Fi Sim we have the Alternative History Sim. This time around we will be using Google Drive for a large amount of information sharing and resource management. Looking forward to GMing.
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Bromley86 (80 D)
Thu 14 Sep UTC
Paging Yonni re. ODC
Apologies to all for posting on the forum - I can't seem to pm yet.
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Aegon I Targaryen (14 D)
Tue 12 Sep UTC
Wondering about a supporting mechanic
Hey guys, is it possible for me to support an enemy troop to destroy one of my own? For example: French army in Paris supports German army in Holland to take Belgium, in which there is a French army.
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brainbomb (39 D)
Thu 14 Sep UTC
All Nude FTF Webdip group
I was thinking of posting signups for an all naked Face to face diplomacy tournament to be held in my moms basement. Lemonade and snacks will be provided. This is also an orgy. Sign up here.
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leon1122 (143 D)
Thu 14 Sep UTC
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Why did America elect a corrupt Muslim tyrant as their president?
so strange. I'm interested to hear your thoughts
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Maltir (65 D)
Mon 11 Sep UTC
A couple quick questions
Hey guys,
I couldn't find the questions thread, so I'm posting this here.
1) What happens if you run out of diplomacy points? How do I get more?
2) Just found out that you can only build new units in your home centers.
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DemonOverlord (489 D)
Wed 13 Sep UTC
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3 unranked gunboats
Would anyone like to play 3 unranked gunboats with me either here or on vdip? You don't need to partake in all three although I would appreciate it. Skill level can be anything from capt brad to SplitDiplomat. Only thing I'll be looking at is reliability.
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ND (680 D)
Wed 13 Sep UTC
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Supreme Court sides with Trump!!!
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/12/us/supreme-court-refugee-ban.html
Full case will be heard in October, but for now the Supreme Court agrees with Trump! Sorry charlie!
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brainbomb (39 D)
Thu 07 Sep UTC
Petition to bring back Jamiet99uk
I actually miss the lil bugger and this forum is a less enjoyable place without him. Can we discuss bringing him back as he was a good member for years and years and provided lots of humor and passionate debate.
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brainbomb (39 D)
Mon 11 Sep UTC
I support Isis
In the typical form of her myth, Isis was the first daughter of Geb, god of the Earth, and Nut, goddess of the Sky, and she was born on the fourth intercalary day. She married her brother, Osiris, and she conceived Horus with him. Isis was instrumental in the resurrection of Osiris when he was murdered by Set.
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Farenheit (65 D)
Wed 13 Sep UTC
New Diplomacy Map Idea: USSR Vs America
So, It uses the international map. America is Blue and USSR is Red. You know the deal
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Peregrine Falcon (1411 D Mod (B))
Fri 08 Sep UTC
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Seeking Full-Press Players
Hello everyone,
I'm looking to get a semi-anon, full-press, DSS game going.
I'd like to set the RR level at 90%, to make sure we have people who don't miss turns, but would be willing to bring it lower if necessary.
60 or 120 D would be ideal, but that is also open for change.
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JamesYanik (204 D)
Tue 12 Sep UTC
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Ted Cruz
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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Hathkin (38 D)
Sat 09 Sep UTC
New Players
see below
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Giuseppe Garibaldi (90 D)
29 Aug 17 UTC
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Do we all agree that Donald Trump is a complete idiot?
Just wondering where the diplomacy players loyalties lie. He's clearly a nutjob bad president
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ChefBoyRDers (123 D)
Tue 12 Sep UTC
Are you trolling me? You're literally making the "science is a liar sometimes" argument from the tv show "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia".

Just in case you're not here's an excerpt from Wikipedia on the EAU climate emails thing:

"The story was first broken by climate change denialists[6] with columnist James Delingpole popularising the term "Climategate" to describe the controversy.[7] Several people considered climate change "skeptics" argued that the emails showed global warming was a scientific conspiracy, that scientists manipulated climate data and attempted to suppress critics.[8][9] The CRU rejected this, saying the emails had been taken out of context and merely reflected an honest exchange of ideas.[10][11]

The mainstream media picked up the story as negotiations over climate change mitigation began in Copenhagen on 7 December 2009.[12] Because of the timing, scientists, policy makers and public relations experts said that the release of emails was a smear campaign intended to undermine the climate conference.[13] In response to the controversy, the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS), the American Meteorological Society (AMS) and the Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS) released statements supporting the scientific consensus that the Earth's mean surface temperature had been rising for decades, with the AAAS concluding, "based on multiple lines of scientific evidence that global climate change caused by human activities is now underway... it is a growing threat to society."[14]

Eight committees investigated the allegations and published reports, finding no evidence of fraud or scientific misconduct.[15] However, the reports called on the scientists to avoid any such allegations in the future by taking steps to regain public confidence in their work, for example by opening up access to their supporting data, processing methods and software, and by promptly honouring freedom of information requests.[16] The scientific consensus that global warming is occurring as a result of human activity remained unchanged throughout the investigations.[17]"
ChefBoyRDers (123 D)
Tue 12 Sep UTC
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I don't think the AAAS, AMS, and UCS are 'liberal group think' organizations but I'm going to read through the Wikipedia sources anyway just for fun.

It will be educational for me, but certainly not in the way you mean.
ChefBoyRDers (123 D)
Tue 12 Sep UTC
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Oh and here's the It's Always Sunny clip which is quite funny:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3Ak-SmyHHQ
ND (680 D)
Tue 12 Sep UTC
Oh man Wikipedia how credible.. and no I'm serious
JamesYanik (204 D)
Tue 12 Sep UTC
@orathaic

i'm going to simply say that natural diversity occuring through meritocracy is best.

most of the stuff i'm not responding to here is stuff that i think we can both agree the above statement applies to



"As to your comments on white-washing. When you start out with - 100% of Oscar nominees and parts of your community say 'we should try to represent people better'; but the responce is 'there aren't any good roles for X, Y, and Z.' "

i love that claim that the oscars are racist. the liberal hollywood elites? racist? but in all actuality, there's been massive racism in the past, but if you think 2017 hollywood is a more conservative/racist environment... ooh boy you need to get out more. and yes i've seen the "Evidence"

https://www.economist.com/blogs/prospero/2016/01/film-and-race

the problem with these analyses are that they find a discrepancy: and assume racism. a second problem? it doesn't take into account the fact that Oscars involve europeans as well, which massively skew white. they also fail to mention individual performances. Creed and Beasts of no Nation were the two big names that didn't have anyone perform, but frankly i thought that only idriss elba deserved to be nominated, Peterson is young and that was a good movie, but oscar worthy is pushing things. besides the academy has a specific style, and the younger generation movies never do as well. one snub, a racist system does not make.

why is it the we see a massive disproportionate number of nurses who are female nobody cries sexism? or when there is a massive disproportionate number of black NBA players nobody cries racism? and even when film and acting school enrollment stats shows more graduating white males, because more white males take the classes, we can find a way to yell racism there?

it's because it doesn't fit your goddamn narrative that's why




"Then you come up with a (to take a recent example) adaptation of a Japanese anime, and choose to cast a white woman instead of an Asian/Japanese-American (who have more difficult finding work, because 'there are no roles'). Is this the meritocracy you seem to crave?"

find me the japanese actress for a 110 million $ budget who speaks english who could play that part. worldwide it made 170 million$ (maybe Rinko, but fewer Americans know about her - i'd be surprised if you do), and do you know what? most people in Japan loved the movie and didn't care about the white washing. honestly. i've been looking through article after article and even seen several youtube videos interviewing people: they really didn't have a problem with it. almost at all.

there was actually some idiot saying "Well they could have had a big name actress like Lucy Liu who has asian heritage to play the role" and this fan got pissed because she's chinese in heritage.

look things up for yourself, but here are some links.

https://kotaku.com/the-japanese-internet-reacts-to-scarlet-johansson-in-gh-1771544034
https://www.polygon.com/2017/4/10/15245488/ghost-in-the-shell-live-action-box-office-japan-review
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/japanese-fans-react-ghost-shell-992255
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DhoBuU1Dtc





"Saying we want diversity of roles, and then seeing white women cast in roles which were of asian characters is just the first problem again."

but you weren't complaining when an israeli got the wonder woman role ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

it's called consistency ora





"There were not non-white people at the Awards. The casting directors said it was because there are no roles for non-white actors. They found a role, and 'adapted' it... "

The thing is, with star wars i liked Boyega, i think he did well. Rey's character was poorly constructed so i don't blame Ridley at all for that, but my whole point is this:

if you want to adapt a character to be a different race/sex because that character will be better portrayed by an actor: GO FOR IT.

but when JJ Abrams said the room was "too fucking white," i can pretty much be certain that he hadn't bene looking at the best individual for the job. if we did that with episode 4, are we losing out on Hamill and Ford?

but if the role is the best role, the best character arc for the story, and the best actor for that role is white, your "diversity" means nothing to me.





"@"4. there's actually evidence that some minority groups, especially homosexuals, are overrepresented in television. "

if you happen to grow up without any role models life can be harder. If you happen to be gay and never see a story involving the (gay) main character discovering they like a person, and how they deal with it. Then you have no narrative written for when you personally first experience this."

97% of the population is heterosexual, but some studies have found rates as high as 18% with major films for characters who are gay.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/data-shows-homosexuals-hugely-overrepresented-on-the-big-screen-but-glaad-s

so.... for diversities sake, shouldn't we make FEWER gay people?

or do you only care about the specific groups that you deem to be disadvantaged. to do this you're going to have to generalize though, but i'm starting to question whether or not you have a problem with that at all




"If you are straight, you have hundreds of these kinds of narratives."

per capita, we're underrepresented. evidence linked above. try research next time




"Now not talking about employment here. We aren't saying the gay actors need work and should be fairly represented. We're saying that it is a privilege to have characters you can identify with.

Even if you go 'that story isn't me, i'm more like Chandler than Joey' as a het guy you've got like three narratives to look at and choose from within on 90s TV show."

are you wanting to go back and time and fix stuff? because modern discrimination is not the solution to past discrimination. do you believe that? because to believe in that means you must blame people who had zero part in that discrimination, beyond sharing skin color with those people.




"This is a privilege - in that there is no right to have yourself represented on tv. It isn't the end of the world, this one little thing doesn't stop someone becoming president. Barrack Obama is a great sign that times, they are a changing. But it costs you very little to acknowledge that there are many little things which may make your life easier. It doesn't mean your life is easy by any means.

Even the wealthiest most successful white man can die from cancer (RIP Steve Jobs). So there are many things which equalize us."

like guns, #secondamendmentrightsforall i'm glad you agree #stoprapists





"@"As far as proportional representation goes, we're either approaching equilibrium on some groups, or we've pushed way past it in others."

I didn't prescribe any solutions to the issue of representation.

The separate issue of employment - where 'there are no roles for X' is unrelated to the issue of role models.

I entirely think we can promote role models outside of TV and movies. You can have a black trans kid visit older black trans adults who are willing to talk to them about life. Or come into their classroom and talk about what success looks like for them."

i'd actually rather have my tax dollars pay for... you know, education. that's what i expect from public education. counseling? sure. go into the classroom and preach for a while. oh, and a black trans person represents .0369% of the country's population, so yeah that would be good for all black transgender kids.

also, as for speaking to children about this stuff, there's HARSH disagreement

According to the DSM-5, as many as 98% of gender confused boys and 88% of gender confused girls eventually accept their biological sex after naturally passing through puberty.

https://www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/position-statements/gender-ideology-harms-children

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-transgender-battle-line-childhood-1451952794

meanwhile let's look at actual legislation, in Canada, if you're seen to deny your child's preferred gender, you are abusing them and the state can take them away. this Bill 89 added transgenderism to the human's right code for even minors.

the code is vague though, but the official language is if there is "a pattern of abuse, neglect or serious emotional harm"

http://www.ontla.on.ca/web/bills/bills_detail.do?locale=en&Intranet=&BillID=4479

of course this is entirely arbitrary... so good job their canada.





"There are many ways apart from film and TV, and i'm not trying to prescribe what is the perfect a solution, because i don't know what that would look like.

@""Personally, i remember being upset as a child because there were no super heroes with red hair."

Poison ivy, bat girl, Mystique, Rorschach... but even then, only 2% of the population has red hair.

what it sounds like is you don't want to be accurately represented... it sounds like you want EXTRA representation. do you know what that's called? a privilege.
"

Ok, Rorschach didn't have a tv show when i was growing up. Poison ivy, bat girl and mystique (with dyed hair) weren't men, i don't think i'd have identified with them. But i never said i want extra representation. I said i was upset.

I felt that heroes who i wanted to be like were not like me. It was upsetting. Again, i didn't prescribe a solution. I proposed that you read some people who have experienced far worse than i have..."

ora... why on earth do you need to have physical characteristics similar to a character to look up to them? to IDENTIFY with them? isn't reinforcing this unhealthy? i mean sure no male superheroes had red hair (on TV i mean) but you couldn't still identify with superman?

you want to add diversity, so people can identify with similar physical characteristics that they see on TV. that's BAD. we need to have kids identify with behavior, not skin color. i LOVED everybody hates chris growing up, it was a fun show and the kid was small outspoken and weak. so what if he were black? we shouldn't care about these things.

honestly. seeing someone who looks like you on TV shouldn't be something you identify with. your physical appearance should matter MILLIONS of times less than your character.



"@"3. i do listen and empathize, but saying male PRIVILEGE is assuming i'm gaining something extra. change your terminology. i won't budge on this point."

Terminology is kinda useful for understanding. This is the terminology used by people discussing the ideas. I'm not going to change the word privilege because you don't like it."

then you'll continue to argue for something idiotic, and i'll continue to call you out for it. i don't like intellectual laziness, and your herd-behavior is exactly at.




"The extra thing you are getting, in this one example, was not being afraid. I didn't say you had to give that up, I did say your life is a little bit easier* for it. That's it.

*i didn't say, but i hope i implied, your life is less stressed, less busy worrying about your safety and more time to spend thinking about other things.

The extreme example would be never being able to leave the house for fear that your life was endangered. That would infringe greatly on your rights."

only if there is a direct threat made against you. otherwise no, you don't have a right not to be afraid.




"Now if that is a personal subjective experience and your life isn't actually endangered, then you need psychological help. Or if it is an entirely accurate picture, then you need to get the hell out of that unsafe country... (i'm not saying you should have a right to either of these things, i'm saying that not needing them is a privilege).

---

Any given narrative about white privilege, is just that, one perspective. In that it holds value it is in how it allows us see the perspective of others. There is not requirement for it to be perfect, or agreed upon by everyone, for it to hold value."

but the problem arises when one political party makes this very much mainstream. the a solid definition MUST be acquired, ESPECIALLY if legislation is going to stem off of it.




"But most white people seem to attack it because they feel like it attacks them personally."

ora: sometimes it DOES. read youtube comment sections and twitter threads, there are legitimately people who think all whites are evil. this is a real ideology that exists. you can pretend it doesn't, but the more you go along with these vagaries in the definitions of things the more you're going to prop up some nasty shit.




"People like to attribute their success to their innate skill and blame their failures on the system (see: http://planetsave.com/2013/12/23/a-rigged-game-of-monopoly-reveals-how-feeling-wealthy-changes-our-behavior-ted-video/ ). So if you take a group of people who think they are responcible for being wealthier (or insert your own criteria here) than the average person, and you go around telling them that they 'have white privilege' - or course they'll come up with some rationalization to reject the white privilege narrative."

um... duh. because your claim of white privilege lacked evidence. if you make a positive claim: you are white and are therefore this statistically more wealthy, then you must have causal evidence to back that up. but you don't. because it's bullshit




"But no narrative is perfect, no narrative can perfectly encompass the complexity of reality. So it can merely illustrate one aspect. You can use the idea of white privilege and apply it to all kind of privileges,"

i think the word you're thinking of is generalize. or perhaps... stereotype?



"to see that being able-bodied really fucking rocks and makes your life easier... and this will raise the question 'what can i do to make life a bit easier to people who aren't able-bodied' - which is a rather difficult question, and again i'm not the one to answer it. But i think it is pretty clear that we all take for granted being able-bodied (and healthy) until we're not..."

the thing is, when i get into these conversations with other people, the question is less "what can i do to make life a bit easier to people who aren't able-bodied" and more "here's what you have to do to make life a bit easier to people who aren't able-bodied"

i'm NOT accusing you of that ora, but to pretend that is null in more leftist hemispheres is also dangerous.




"@JY i did look at your charts, it is a pity that i can't tell who the outliers are. Like is Washington DC was one, i could understand, it has a unique population distribution and other factors which make it an outlier. And (if it was a positive example) not every state in the US can be like the district of columbia. But there were some serious outliers, like which country has 80% unemployment? And how reliable is that figure? Sorry raising more questions than anything else."

click on the graphs and it'll give you the sources. economic freedom score comes from WSJ and heritage foundation combined, and is well regarded
ishirkmywork (1136 D)
Tue 12 Sep UTC
Outside of rolling my eyes at all this climategate baloney, as a member of the agriculture community for a decade and a half it is interesting to have had 15 straight years of "weird" weather, unpredictability and bizarre season changes. Now farmer observations aren't necessarily sciencetifically validated I suppose, but it is ridiculous to write the whole thing off as a hoax. Climate change has led to a mass extinction 5 other times I. Earths history, it seems dumb to scoff at this latest one, especially if we are contributing and could potentially stop it.
JamesYanik (204 D)
Tue 12 Sep UTC
@ChefBoyRDers

the funny thing about that Sunny clip, is most people actually DONT read scientific papers and still believe it.

i believe in climate change, but it's hard to wade through hyped bullshit and the media. after all, when scientists in the 70s had the majority of their papers predicting warming, the majority of news outlets were predicting cooling. distrusting the media with science is smart. the media is stupid. science is smart.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52KLGqDSAjo&list=PL82yk73N8eoX-Xobr_TfHsWPfAIyI7VAP

well sourced and well cited. best series you'll find discussing every realm on climate change

@ND have you watched it yet?
ChefBoyRDers (123 D)
Tue 12 Sep UTC
Oh I know James. I'm reading through one of the first sources of the "climategate" wikipedia article to get better context and respond to ND but it takes time.

The first source I am looking at is a Washington Post article, which ND has already shown his disdain for, but here is the relevant part:

"Michael E. Mann, who directs the Earth System Science Center at Pennsylvania State University, said in a telephone interview from Paris that skeptics are "taking these words totally out of context to make something trivial appear nefarious." "

Then the other side of the argument:

"But Myron Ebell, director of energy and global warming policy for the Competitive Enterprise Institute, said this and other exchanges show researchers have colluded to establish the scientific consensus that humans are causing climate change."

I for one am more inclined to trust the director of PSU's Earth System Science Center over the director of a libertarian think tank that had been given $2 million dollars over 7 years by Exxon Mobil.

I certainly agree the media frames climate change in their own ways to support certain narratives, but the science supporting the fact that it is happening is there.
ChefBoyRDers (123 D)
Tue 12 Sep UTC
Also thanks for the link James I will check it out
ChefBoyRDers (123 D)
Tue 12 Sep UTC
The EPA studied the climategate emails and said critics "routinely misunderstood the scientific issues".

As reported by the BBC: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-essex-10899538

Here's a nice visual showing the unprecedented temperature change since the industrial revolution in comparison to previous global temperature variations:

https://xkcd.com/1732/

I can't stay up all night reading sources but ND if you have some supporting your theory climate change is a hoax I would love to read some.
ChefBoyRDers (123 D)
Tue 12 Sep UTC
Here's a nice Guardian article about scientists trying to replicate studies published by climate change skeptics:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2015/aug/25/heres-what-happens-when-you-try-to-replicate-climate-contrarian-papers

And the link to the study itself published in the journal of Theoretical and Applied Climatology because I realized I've only been linking to media articles:

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00704-015-1597-5
JamesYanik (204 D)
Tue 12 Sep UTC
@ChefBoyRDers

the problem with the climategate was one particular email which talked about "using (nameiforget's) trick to fix the decline in temperatures"

but... we know temperatures have been rising. what they were referring to was inaccurate tree-ring data, a practice thought up of back in the 19th century which is notoriously volatile. i prefer ice core data but there's still contention surrounding that, but all in all it wasn't some great scandal.

it's actually in the series i linked to you, somewhere around 6 or 7 i think.

but this is EXACTLY why i never get mad at climate skeptics. there are so many small things and hundreds of papers to be read to gain a true understanding of this stuff, and even THEN there's legitimate criticism to be had.

it doesn't mean rash statements against climate change i LIKE.... but i'm not without sympathy for the statement
orathaic (1009 D (B))
Tue 12 Sep UTC
@JY, i hope to get a proper chance to reply later, but for now.

Talking about employment rates in a given job: i think it is fair to expect equal proportions of roles to the proportions in the population.

I didn't get to look at the link you sent, but 18% gay characters doesn't mean 18% of narratives with romantic main plots. I also don't know if all those characters are playing by gay/lesbian/bi people, but typically the main roles are paid more. So if you want equal proportions then you can focus only one certain types of roles at a time.

And i don't think it is necessary to force this natural diverty as you said is worthwhile. But unfortunately there has been unnatural forces at work to discriminate, homophobia is still a thing. Though i think this has massively improved in the US.

As for representation in the media, this is a different issue. I know my hair colour was a minor example (the only personal example i could think of). I just want you to acknowledge, it feels good to have stories you can identify told and 'make it big' - like game of thrones big, as in everyone is talking about it.

Even with proportional representation, like say only two gay characters in season two, maybe that is proportional - you still get, what i claimed about Friends with Joey and Chandler, a multitude of straight characters. You can have discussions like, 'No i'd be more like Rob Stark and marry for love' or 'yeah i'd have never chosen duty over familial love like Jon Snow...', tonnes of different cishet male characters to represent you - if you are a cishet male.

If you're gay and male. One storyline. And imm not saying we should change this (i might say this is a massive improvement from the past, at least there is one now, and Briene and Arya along with Cersi and Sansa make four excellent diverse female characters - considerable improvement over previous generation's mainstream media). But for the gay boy growing up they still have a much more limited set of stories, when you go to live your life and make decisions, whether it is love or career or whatever, you can't help but be influenced.

And maybe that influence can be a bad thing. Being forced to live up to stereotypical expectations because 'all the narratives expect X' could certainly be harmful. Especially if your family also has these expectations for you.

So you either do find role models who shape you, or feel like you're being forced into a particular mould which doesn't fit you.

And secondary characters aren't the same here as main characters. Particularily in movies, if your gay character is always the best man, or supporting role, they don't get as much screen time ir character development. Their narrative is secondary - and this can influence gay people growing up.

I think many LGBT people (at least from my generation and older) feel like they have to forge their own path; and i suspect this actually made them better people in some ways - ie not sheeple, deciding for themselves what they want.

But - as with spending your time and energy worrying about rape or violent assault - there is a cost associated with forging your own path. And the easy way out (cognitively) is to just conform and follow the narratives your society lays down (eg: meet girl, date, marry, move in, have children) - maybe a lot of people woyld be happier if they thought about it first and didn't just follow the narrative because everyone was... But (taking again Game of Thrones) you can contrast Arya, Sansa, and Dany's three different narratives. Most fans would say they have a favourite, i'm sure most teenage girls would have a preference, and identify more closely with one of the three... So with that diversity you get choice which you just din't see for gay teens (in this one show, which happens to be doing a great job for narratives involving women).

Hence cishet privilege.

But again, i recommended bringing in relevant role models to school, not only looking up to our celebrities and storytellers.

You'd prefer money spent on education, well i can tell you, there is a huge amount of value from an educational point of view to be derived from going out into the workd and meeting someone or bringing a potential role model into the classroom. Education has three targets, KSA: Knowledge, Skills and Attitudes. Typical educational techniques do a pretty good job with knowledge, not as good with skills (which need more practical and less academic) and pretty bad at changing attitudes (which once fixed can be painfully difficult to change), and i wasn't saying every school needs to see a black trans disabled woman come in and talk - play to your audience.

Saw a show last night where 7 year olds were asked about jobs, they all assumed makeup artists and dancers were female while mechanics and magicians were male. So when they brought in 4 counter examples (a male makeup artist who worked on various films...) suddenly showing them had a big impact on these kids attitudes where telling them would have been forgotten really fast.

Ok, maybe this wasn't proportional, these carefully selected counter examples, but having one counter example doesn't force any of the boys in that class to become a makeup artist, it does open up that option for the boys in that class, and maybe if eceryone feels like they have more options, rather than being stereotyped, we will have happier and more productive people all around.

Just like more than one gay character in media showing a narrative for gay kids, can't be anything but a positive. Instead of seeing that kid grow up feeling like they have to live up to sone stereotype of what it means to be gay, because that's the only narrative they've ever seen...
orathaic (1009 D (B))
Tue 12 Sep UTC
As an aside, on climate change: https://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/2016/sep/10/soil-our-best-shot-at-cooling-the-planet-might-be-right-under-our-feet

And slightly on exploiting the environment and capitalistic models which i think i was ranting about earlier...


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Oztra (85 D)
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looking for a biff
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Has anyone read this?
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About the two messed up Live games this evening
Game got cancelled before I could thank you guys for trying to set up some great games twice. We had some hell of bad luck but I had fun nontheless. Chatting with you was quite amusing.
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