I reemphasize how imperative it is that we disable the roleblock. The win is essentially guaranteed following a correct scum lynch, no matter what kind of squirming SK could do

Don't be an idiot. I'm always right. Vote Seichuto

Statement 1: "I was roleblocked"

Statement 2: "Nobody was roleblocked or saved (allegedly)"

The use of the word "(allegedly)" there makes the conflict between those two statements even more interesting, if you ask me, but who even knows.

I started to seriously suspect guak based on his insistence that the D1 voting cleared Seichuto, and the reasons he cites, which I consider questionable.

For those town who are currently voting for me, please let me know why you suspect me, so that I can try to address any specific concerns.

go for it you idiots, lynch me. that will get you somewhere.

@snowy: your case is so much bs that I don't even want to waste my time answering to it. But here I go.

1) the ghug thing: yes, I supported him most of the day, I thought he was ghug being ghug, and I like having big talkers around. But, as soon as Flum claimed I jumped immediately on ghug, who was Flum's main scum read to see how ghug reacted. His reaction was incredibly scummy so that convinced me to stay on him. My vote on ghug was instrumental on getting him lynched. Also, you can see how ghug was trying really hard to convince me to switch to Seichuto. If I were mafia bussing him he would had been trying to convince some random townie, not me.
2) the seichuto comment: seichuto had made a very dumb comment. it's one of those comments that I consider too scummy for scum to ever say, as in my experience VTs are way more likely to say stupid scummy comments than actual scum. Scum tend to reveal themselves more through actions than slips. I commented that he 'was looking very scummy' just to see who would bite. The idea was to make Seichuto seem like a viable target for mafia when he was really just a random townie that had done basically nothing. In every game I have played, mafia has always thought some VTs like seichuto are easy lynches and I thought I would give fire to the idea of lynching him. That showed me that ghug was definitely scum, and is one of the reasons I'm pretty sure bozo is scum. You can notice that I never said that I thought Seichuto was scum. I only said he was looking like scum. You'll also notice I never voted for him, as I was town reading him. It was a reaction test. ghug fell for it and possibly bozo fell for it (if he is indeed scum).
3) you are trying to pass off towny behavior as scum behavior. For example, a rapid and adaptive evolution of reads is a towny thing, not a scum thing.
4) I was RBd. It's stupid to think that mafia would had forgone the RB with SK on the loose. Every time mafia plays with SK they fear the SK more than town. Very slim chance of that happening. I did point out that I was not immediately cleared because brainbomb was saying I was cleared and I thought that was very weird. It actually started to make me suspect brainbomb. He clearly thought I was scum most of D1 and was pushing hard for me. That was because he believed I was the SK (probably because he said I was playing different to every other game he had been in with me and he has never played with me as a 3rd party). As soon as he saw I was not the SK he completely relented on me and townread me because he no longer wanted to lynch me, he wanted to find the SK.
5) you are completely overestimating the power of the encryptor. I have played other mafia games with an encryptor chat and the truth is we barely used it at all. As mafia you do not want your actions to seem coordinated and connect you to your teammates, thus you try to avoid coordinated actions like the ones you say I was a mastermind of precisely because of how dangerous it is in revealing the entire scum team.

@Jamie: there are three possibilities

1. snowy was indeed roleblocked.
2. no one/ peter was roleblocked (too unlikely to be believable)
3. SK was RBd and said that he was not RBd, thus opening up the possibility for snow to fakeclaim RB as mafia to try and get town cred. This option becomes way more likely if Seichuto is SK.

I think those are solid responses from Guak to Snowy's allegations.

##VOTE SECHUTO because I think his flip will tell us more than Bozo's would, and because I there is a chance he's the SK even if he's not scum.

@Guak:

One question. Why is it impossible to believe that Peter was roleblocked? What if scum thought that he was the Doctor?

Also:

"go for it you idiots, lynch me. that will get you somewhere"

There were literally 0 votes on you when you said that, and that's still the case. Nobody is lynching you today. Cut down on the salt.

@snowy801

Day-4 08:32
page 109

"On the other hand Seichuto was most lackluster in his approach to save brainbomb

He couldn't give coherent reasons as to why brainbomb is town. He kept addressing side issues like Oztra's questions rather than the meat of the issue which is what makes brainbomb town, and why did town bb do the things he did"

I have explained my reason for not pushing the brain wagon multiple times, searching for other, more revealing flips, as bozo, Jamie or ND (at the time).
I totally bought into the uclabb strategy, to postpone the bb lynch, since bb was so obviously mafia, we could grab the opportunity to lynch someone else D3, hence getting more interesting information from that flip. I considered bob as mafia, sk or at least not playing pro town. But some other would be a better lynch in my view.

That was probably too advanced play for my skill level, and I see that not all of you got the message and others of you don't agree.

But I don't buy into what you come dragging with, snowy, that I read brainbomb as town. I didn't and if that would put your reading of me into another light, you're welcome.

@Seichuto: You just said that brainbomb was"obviously mafia", but leading up to the D3 vote, when Spirit said "my current picks for scum team are Jamiet, ND, and Bozo", you responded "Those happen to be my top scums as well". I do not see how you can resolve these two statements.

I'm very rarely wrong about these things. You all thought brainbomb's defense was credible too but you were as wrong as you are incapable of discerning truth from lies

One hallmark of scum defense is that they attempt to throw shade on you without actually saying so, so as to not leave a confirmable trail behind.

When you see that there was only one kill in the night, nobody claimed doc saved and someone claimed roleblocked it is not the natural conclusion to suggest that I as scum roleblocked Seichuto, saw that he didn't claim rb, claimed it myself and is now trying to get him lynched because he's the SK

more tellingly, he claims his Seichuto comment was a reaction test. Sure, except bozo had been voting for him for like 4 hours before that even happened yet he now suggests that he caught Bozo in his trap. One might think someone running a reaction test would actually care about the results of his investigations

But never mind all that, because I'm right and you're all wrong as you always are and you should just sheep me as should be the natural state of things

Seichuto it doesn't matter whether you claimed to town read brainbomb. What matters is your behavior.

@Snowy can I ask you a question?

@Spirit: Based on Seichuto's insistence that he knew brainbomb was mafia all along but wanted to wait to lynch him later, despite it being clear that he was not making that case at the time, I am more confident that Seichuto is scum. Combining that with my suspicion of guak, I find it more likely that you really felt brainbomb was town and that it was important to save him. If this is correct, please look at what Seichuto was doing and consider that he was trying to use your town read of brainbomb and uclabb's plan to save brainbomb for a later vote to save brainbomb, knowing that the other targets (me and Jamie) were town.

OK, I have read and understood what you all have put forward as reasons. It troubles me somewhat that there are at least one town that actually hold me as mafia, but hey, I have made mistakes too. Suspected Chaga before he claimed. Voted Ezio D2. Not town-reading Peter D3. The list can be made longer, but I don't feel it's a benefit to me.

As it stands now, I can see three parties basically formed.

- uclabb/guak
This is obviously the team I identify myself best with. There's a slight risk that you guys put off a fantastic mafia trick, fake claiming transporter and town read me to get a great position for mafia from D5 and forward.
But your analysis have been rock solid all along, even if I of course like them even better for town reading me (or at least not scum reading me). And no one has counter claimed transporter, so it's the easiest alignment to take, in my opinion.

- bozo/ND/snowy
Here are the scoundrels in this gang. I am sorry to see ND here, I don't think you are mafia, your analysises have been brilliant and even if I don't agree to all, it is my perception that you have listened.
bozo and snowy just seem to have tunneled in on me, which I can only interpret as trying to shift focus from themselves. Bozo, you say you have read my arguments and don't agree but I don't know what's with you snowy, you don't seem to have read my arguments that are to read on p106, 28:25.

- Jamie/Spirit/Oztra
You guys seem to be the free lancers around. Spirit's scummy arguments for town reading bb seems to have disappeared, you had some early votes from the scoundrel group, but now seem clear as a new born. I am a bit jealous ;-)
Oztra, I don't understand how you still can get under the radar like you do. Either you are a fantastically talented SK (or mafia :-O) or you're just generally good at getting away from the light.
Jamie, I set my trust to that you come to your senses, you make great analyses and seem reasonable for so much of the time. And then suddenly you throw your vote in my direction. Doesn't make sense.

Which team should I pick? At this moment it is quite obvious I will have to vote for "the other wagon", as I know that if you lynch me it will be a mislynch and that's bad for town. And I strongly suspect bozo will flip no-town. It may be my feelings that run away with me though, not appreciating the tunneling on me and we'd miss the real threat here. Either it is that simple and I am overreading things trying to find alternatives. Like on D3, there should be a more interesting lynch there somewhere, as bozo is so obvious high degree scum prospect (89%?), and like on D3 when brain was such an easy spot, we could use the opportunity to get something more out of this lynch than simply to "down a scum".

But I guess you guys are already doing this, it's just me who isn't skilled enough to see the signals.

So I'll settle for the majority vote this day, not causing my overreading ambitions to run away with me and perhaps get me more suspicious eyes on D5. I also suspect there isn't that much time to coordinate an alternative wagon and finally I am not sure who to push.

##vote bozotheclown

@bozo
"@Seichuto: You just said that brainbomb was"obviously mafia", but leading up to the D3 vote, when Spirit said "my current picks for scum team are Jamiet, ND, and Bozo", you responded "Those happen to be my top scums as well". I do not see how you can resolve these two statements."

That's probably because you want to put me in bad light. I had brain in the top all along and you three tagging along as the pool. Simple as that.

@snowy
"Seichuto it doesn't matter whether you claimed to town read brainbomb. What matters is your behavior."

I kind of have started to realize that, it was an experiment to tag along with the save bb trail together with uclabb and Spirit. I'm stubborn in that sense that I still think it would have been an interesting idea to postpone the bb lynch. Lesson learned that I need to be more distinct in the future.

But my argument for why I can't be strongman/encryptor, due to the D1 lynch, is still valid and I don't understand how you, bozo, ND and Jamie can look past that fact.

Hehe, I like the good old "I am right you are wrong" argument though :-)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xYnpJGaMiXo

@Seichuto: That answer does not really address a direct contradiction.

Looks like I unintentionally voted earlier (@10:17), from copy and paste.
In case you find it a strange behavior that I just changed my vote from boz-boz.

Unfortunately tonight is my 5 year wedding anniversary. Thus i will probably miss EOD, but I will try to check in from my phone.

So, it seems we are divided on Bozo and Seichuto. I've seen the past page and a half and have looked over the arguments. I still believe Seichuto is the right lynch and I would ask the bozo wagon members to look at my post on page 108 for why I do not think Bozo is scum.

@bozo
"@Seichuto: That answer does not really address a direct contradiction."

I don't know about you guys, but I have throughout the game very seldom have the number of remaining mafia corresponding to the number of people I hold for possible as mafia. Most of the time I have tended to town read more people than number of town. I guess I have been naïve in that aspect. I have noted that quite a lot of you scum read more people than number of remaining mafia, which should be more pro-town, I think.

That quote you have there is taken out of context. If you reread all my press D3, you will find that I say that I hold brain for scum or at least no-town. Rest of the discussion revolves around that statement, not changing the fact that I have no-town read brain earlier.

When I mention only you, ND and Jamie, it is in that context. I realise you try to use that against me and have learned the lesson that I need to be more distinct in the future.

But if it is your strongest case against me, I think it is quite weak in comparison to my strongman/encryptor argument.

@ND Happy anniversery!

Sad to hear you don't reconsider regarding lynching me. It will unfortunately drive you further away from me being able to town read you. But there's still one town slot among those who vote for me, so I still have hopes for you.

Where is Uclabb?

@Sei: Why did you repeat your vote for Bozo? It was already on him.

I hope uclabb or Oztra show up by EOD.

I will be leaving soon so I hope that folks reconsider sei. Good luck all.

morning
speak of the devil and the devil shall appear
remember diffreernet times and stuff but yeah

I'm here but behind