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lalaland (0 D X)
26 May 17 UTC
One spot left live game
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=199465
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Jamiet99uk (60 D)
24 May 17 UTC
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US intelligence leaks compromise UK terrorism investigation.
After the Manchester bombing, US intelligence has repeatedly leaked confidential information about the UK's investigation. Seems like US officers are taking after Trump.
Could you just fuck off instead please?
peterlund (1315 D (G))
24 May 17 UTC
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Simple! Just stop handing any information at all over to the untrustworthy americans...
Hauta (1618 D (S))
24 May 17 UTC
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It's on the Brits, sorry. After Trump's well-documented leaks to Lavrov (and now to Duterte), the Brits should know better than to give confidential information to America. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
CAPT Brad (40 D X)
24 May 17 UTC
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Shame on you haura
brainbomb (474 D)
25 May 17 UTC
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I have to say that this is a fucking embarrassment. Can you imagine how outraged we would be if this was the other way around. Fuck we would probably be carpet bombing london knowing Trumps dumb ass.
Octavious (1716 D)
25 May 17 UTC
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When you're allied with the US you expect a certain level of incompetence. It comes with the territory. On balance the positives outweigh the negatives. Usually.
ND (889 D)
25 May 17 UTC
The left leakers in Intel community need to be prosecuted
Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
25 May 17 UTC
But not the right leakers.
ND (889 D)
25 May 17 UTC
Sure if there is a conservative leaking stuff then arrest him/her. However, I doubt very seriously that conservatives are running around leaking. It's leftists that want to bring down Trump (assumption, but my opinion)
bo_sox48 (4587 D Mod (G))
25 May 17 UTC
I wouldn't eliminate money as a motive, ND. If I were a close advisor to Trump and a news outlet offered me, say, $10,000 to give them a story, I wouldn't be so morally upstanding as I would have to be to hesitate to take it.
bo_sox48 (4587 D Mod (G))
25 May 17 UTC
Though in general, you're probably right. The way you say it is absurdly pointed, but you're probably right.
ND (889 D)
25 May 17 UTC
It could be bribes/money. I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. We will see eventually.
diplomat61 (599 D)
25 May 17 UTC
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These leaks are shocking: insensitive to the families, damaging to the investigation, and a fundamental threat to intelligence sharing amongst allies. Whoever it is should be hung, drawn, and quartered.

As to why. It could be money, could be political, could be showing off. We just don't know at the moment, but I would be turning the place upside down to find the culprit.
Zmaj (215 D (B))
25 May 17 UTC
Meh. I don't mind leaks of any kind. The very term shows you that information is like water. It should be flowing, not festering in stagnant pools.
Zmaj (215 D (B))
25 May 17 UTC
I'll use this occasion to share a great little story with you. It's by the French philosopher Michel Foucault:

"At the beginning of the seventeenth century, the Shogun heard tell of European superiority in navigation, commerce, politics and the military arts, and that this was due to their knowledge of mathematics. He wanted to obtain this precious knowledge. When someone told him of an English sailor possessed of this marvelous discourse, he summoned him to his palace and kept him there.

The Shogun took lessons from the mariner in private and familiarised himself with mathematics, after which he retained power and lived to a very old age. It was not until the nineteenth century that there were Japanese mathematicians.

But that is not the end of the anecdote, for it has its European aspect as well. The story has it that the English sailor, Will Adams, was a carpenter and an autodidact. Having worked in a shipyard he had learnt geometry.

Can we see in this narrative the expression of one of the great myths of European culture? To the monopolistic, secret knowledge of oriental tyranny, Europe opposed the universal communication of knowledge and the infinitely free exchange of discourse."

(The Discourse on Language, 1970)
Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
25 May 17 UTC
Information Wants to be Free.
JamesYanik (548 D)
25 May 17 UTC
@Zmaj

but it's perfectly fine getting them hooked to Opium
Hauta (1618 D (S))
25 May 17 UTC
I disagree. Information is power. Power is jealousy guarded. A leak is a sabotage of power. Dissemination of information in the west occurs because of protections on intellectual property.
Zmaj (215 D (B))
25 May 17 UTC
@Hauta

"A leak is a sabotage of power."

Yes, it is. Are you power's best friend or something?

"Dissemination of information in the west occurs because of protections on intellectual property."

Your statement is absurd. If anything, protections on intellectual property hinder the dissemination of information.
brainbomb (474 D)
25 May 17 UTC
The important thing about this is to acknowledge that the people doing this are malicious and should not be accredited or attributed to either political party. The left does not wish to see the security of our-greatest ally undermined simply to smear trump. Trump smears himself without need for left meddling. These people who leaked this are shitheads who can rot in a dungeoun.
brainbomb (474 D)
25 May 17 UTC
@zmaj generally leaks like the ones by Snowden and sometimes wikileaks are good for exposing corruption. This is ot the case at all. Theres nothing heroic about leaks that allow murderers to hide and calculate where their enemy will be looking thats literally just aiding murderers
Zmaj (215 D (B))
25 May 17 UTC
@brainbomb

Yeah, yeah. I'm not interested in the nuances. I'm interested in the principle. Like, for example, the idea that you shouldn't kill a person no matter what. Of course you can always say: "But in the case of self-defense blah blah." That's beside the point.

I'd love to see what a world with total freedom of information would look like. I believe it would be a better world.
Zmaj (215 D (B))
25 May 17 UTC
@Yanik

You sound like the Russians from the joke I made a few days ago.
JamesYanik (548 D)
25 May 17 UTC
@Brainbomb

"The left does not wish to see the security of our-greatest ally undermined simply to smear trump"

i think most of them don't... but there's definitely a fringe that does like to see leaks


@Zmaj

"You sound like the Russians from the joke I made a few days ago."

i didn't hear the joke, but i think i know what you mean

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGOgSPVBmIE
brainbomb (474 D)
25 May 17 UTC
Fringe lunatics who want our security and our allies to look stupid are not leftists theyre blatantly anti-american in general. Leaks have been pretty terrible for democrats the last few years - far more damming than leaks about the right. The leaks during the Obama administration were very clearly bad. I see zero reason why the left would have done any of that.

Granted the ones exposing deaths of innocents in bombing raids and drone strikes were valuable to learn aboit
diplomat61 (599 D)
26 May 17 UTC
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Credit to Rex Tillerson for flying to the UK to make a public apology for the intelligence leaks.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/26/us-secretary-of-state-rex-tillerson-britain-sorry-manchester-leaks
Ogion (4152 D)
26 May 17 UTC
For what it is worth, I heard an interview with an American reporter who has been reporting in England for some time. He had a very interesting take on it:

British authorities generally are much more secretive and tight lipped about information related to investigations than American authorities are. It doesn't matter whether it is the FBI or the country DA. Reporters are given a lot more information by American authorities generally than by British ones who have a different policy and culture about criminal investigations.

This could be at least in part a difference in cultures in how law enforcement interact with reporters. I thought that was a new perspective

In any event, leaks can have a beneficial effect when they disclose wrongdoing. Here it seems more prurient interest than some indication of wrongdoing. I personally evaluate these matter on a case by case basis dependening on how important it is for the people to know. Leaks about Russia compromising elected officials and their staff is critical for the public to know. Photos of bomb fragments? I don't see how that helps the public do its oversight role.
diplomat61 (599 D)
26 May 17 UTC
I have seen the same observation in the Guardian, but I don't quite buy the idea that it was information that, had it been a US inquiry, would have been leaked so quickly.


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RLH (132 D)
25 May 17 UTC
FtF Tournaments
Hello webdippers. Some of you know me already, but for those of you who don't, I'm an active FtF player, tournament-goer, and on the board of the North American Diplomacy Federation (NADF), which seeks to encourage FtF play, at both house games and tournaments, throughout North America.
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MajorMitchell (993 D)
21 May 17 UTC
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US politics is now the best & worst "reality show" around today.
It's damaging the credibility and reputation of a once great nation
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Lex1 (90 D)
20 May 17 UTC
New game
Hey guys I'm going to start a new modern diplomacy game soon. If you want to sign up then please write your username followed by I WANT TO SIGN UP in all caps.
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Jamiet99uk (60 D)
21 May 17 UTC
Who would you kill?
I was having a deep and thoughtful conversation with a beautiful friend and, to my slight surprise, they mentioned that they would be happy to assist with the killing and disposal of several individuals we both know.
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Chaqa (3168 D (B))
25 May 17 UTC
Need replacement for team game
Hey everyone, Team MOAB needs a replacement for Spain in gameID=197073. The only requirements are:
1. Use Google Hangouts
2. Be willing to drop MOAB on enemy
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Hauta (1618 D (S))
24 May 17 UTC
Time to end Obama era sanctions on Russia?
Would it be better to let job creating trade flourish rather than hurting both countries economically? Can Russia be our friend?
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orathaic (1009 D (B))
25 May 17 UTC
The Phillipines
Just because i've been away for a few days, somehow there is no thread about this... One news headline (paraphrased) 'ISIS captures city in Philipines!' Is rather click baity... But goes in to refer to the 'Most Catholic country in south east asia'.
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Carebear (100 D)
25 May 17 UTC
ODC @ PDET - Assignments Out
The assignments went out 24 hours ago and some of you all have not yet picked up your messages. Please come on over and join your games. :D
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Refusing to draw in established stalemate
Is there a rule that if stalemate is made and it lasts for 3 years with no changes in a sc count, draw can be forced, or something like that?
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orathaic (1009 D (B))
25 May 17 UTC
On dna databases
http://www.nature.com/news/china-expands-dna-data-grab-in-troubled-western-region-1.22033

This is what colonial/state oppression looks like. As far as anarchist are concerned they are one and the same, the state oppresses its own people, the colonial empire oppress other peoples. In China they have this lovely grey area...
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brainbomb (474 D)
23 May 17 UTC
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Why is Terrorism the only time people feel a visceral response?
I noticed recently there was an incident where a man crashed his car into multiple people injuring many and killing someone. But because it was not terrorism, people did not seem motivated in the same manner against alcoholism as they would have if he were a terrorist. If he had indeed been from any Muslim country at all, and also under the influence of alcohol, one has to wonder if people would just automatically assume it was a terror plot.
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Hauta (1618 D (S))
22 May 17 UTC
American reporter arrested for asking questions to Trump HHS Secretary
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/10/business/media/reporter-arrested-tom-price.html

Freedom of the press is an integral part of the 1st amendment. Just wondering how rightwing media handled or ignored this story about Dan Heyman, the reporter that was arrested for asking persistent questions to Tom Price, HHS Secretary.
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JECE (1322 D)
11 May 17 UTC
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On how PPSC scoring does not encourage players to throw games
In our recent discussion (threadID=1432961), many mods and fellow pillars of the community claimed that when you have two Great Powers in a game that have between 12 and 16 supply centers, one of these Great Powers has a (D) points-incentive to throw the game. I disagreed and this puzzled my fellow users, but only Lethologica took the bait when I explained my position. Here it is again:
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Oztra (30 D X)
25 Mar 17 UTC
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Bump
Because I'm a new pleb, I'm not sure what bump means.
I've been seeing people use it a lot, and am unsure of the context and meaning behind this phrase
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carder007s.com (0 D X)
23 May 17 UTC
Buy CC, Cvv , dumps Fullz of all countries
Buy CC, Cvv , dumps Fullz of all countries
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Volmort (100 D)
22 May 17 UTC
Coast passing
Hi I have a question, can I move from mid-atlantic see to North Africa and next turn attack Tunis?

Or its prevented by coastal issues?
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CommanderByron (869 D (S))
20 May 17 UTC
Gauging Interest: Econ-Dip
See Inside
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Namejeff (10 D X)
22 May 17 UTC
GTA 7
Does anyone have GTA 12 that I can borrow for my comrade
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bobarctor1977 (270 D)
18 May 17 UTC
Would anyone be interested in joining a game with some friends of mine and I?
I have 3 friends that I would like to introduce to the game, but can't seem to talk anyone else into playing with us for a full Ancient Med game. Just a casual, low-bet game, probably 2 day turns.
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Hippopankake (80 D)
20 May 17 UTC
New game
I'm thinking about making a game where you have to have a war goal and a justification for going to war similar to paradox games thoughts ?
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leon1122 (201 D)
18 May 17 UTC
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German Man Imprisoned for 10 years for Holocaust Denial
See below
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brainbomb (474 D)
21 May 17 UTC
Lawmaker threatened with Lynching after calling for Trumps impeachment.
http://www.ketv.com/article/racial-slurs-hurled-at-lawmaker-after-calling-for-trumps-impeachment/9901862
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Hauta (1618 D (S))
21 May 17 UTC
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Hehe, Trump just bowed to Saudi king and curtsied too
Just another example of Trump hypocrisy. He slammed Obama for merely bowing. The curtsy was bigly over the top.
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brainbomb (474 D)
20 May 17 UTC
Juggernaut is actually a horrible alliance
Despite the fearmongering ive seen in Press games about Juggernauts over the past 5 years ive been here...I cant help but note its low rate of success and how its paranoia often benefits France or England most. Please share games where Juggernauts fail miserably. But also include ones which work out in a 2wd (if there even is such a situtation)
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peterwiggin (14720 D Mod (S))
24 Mar 17 UTC
Spring 2017 SoW Study Game
This thread is for commentary and discussion on the spring 2017 School of War Study Game: gameID=194603

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Jamiet99uk (60 D)
20 May 17 UTC
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Mafia
It's been a while since the last game of Mafia. When does the next one start?
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brainbomb (474 D)
18 May 17 UTC
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Is it Treason to sympathize with the Confederacy?
Shouldnt it be treason to sympathize with the Confederacy? We fought a war and defeated them. Hundreds of thousands died more than any war fought by America. For people who still wish the south had won- chant the south shall rise again or fly its flags isnt this treason?
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Crazy Anglican (172 D)
20 May 17 UTC
Dresden Files rpg
Anybody here played it or better yet GM'ed it?
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