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Chaqa (3134 D (B))
25 May 17 UTC
Need replacement for team game
Hey everyone, Team MOAB needs a replacement for Spain in gameID=197073. The only requirements are:
1. Use Google Hangouts
2. Be willing to drop MOAB on enemy
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Hauta (1583 D (S))
24 May 17 UTC
Time to end Obama era sanctions on Russia?
Would it be better to let job creating trade flourish rather than hurting both countries economically? Can Russia be our friend?
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orathaic (1009 D (B))
25 May 17 UTC
The Phillipines
Just because i've been away for a few days, somehow there is no thread about this... One news headline (paraphrased) 'ISIS captures city in Philipines!' Is rather click baity... But goes in to refer to the 'Most Catholic country in south east asia'.
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Carebear (100 D)
25 May 17 UTC
ODC @ PDET - Assignments Out
The assignments went out 24 hours ago and some of you all have not yet picked up your messages. Please come on over and join your games. :D
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Refusing to draw in established stalemate
Is there a rule that if stalemate is made and it lasts for 3 years with no changes in a sc count, draw can be forced, or something like that?
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orathaic (1009 D (B))
25 May 17 UTC
On dna databases
http://www.nature.com/news/china-expands-dna-data-grab-in-troubled-western-region-1.22033

This is what colonial/state oppression looks like. As far as anarchist are concerned they are one and the same, the state oppresses its own people, the colonial empire oppress other peoples. In China they have this lovely grey area...
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brainbomb (474 D)
23 May 17 UTC
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Why is Terrorism the only time people feel a visceral response?
I noticed recently there was an incident where a man crashed his car into multiple people injuring many and killing someone. But because it was not terrorism, people did not seem motivated in the same manner against alcoholism as they would have if he were a terrorist. If he had indeed been from any Muslim country at all, and also under the influence of alcohol, one has to wonder if people would just automatically assume it was a terror plot.
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Hauta (1583 D (S))
22 May 17 UTC
American reporter arrested for asking questions to Trump HHS Secretary
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/10/business/media/reporter-arrested-tom-price.html

Freedom of the press is an integral part of the 1st amendment. Just wondering how rightwing media handled or ignored this story about Dan Heyman, the reporter that was arrested for asking persistent questions to Tom Price, HHS Secretary.
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Randomizer (100 D)
23 May 17 UTC
What was worse was the story had been discredited for a year and the source for the new version was Fox News. They were claiming an interview with a private detective that said he was told by Fox about the information.
Randomizer (100 D)
23 May 17 UTC
http://money.cnn.com/2017/05/16/media/seth-rich-family-response-claims-of-wikileaks-contact/
Hauta (1583 D (S))
23 May 17 UTC
@Yanik wrote, "there is freedom of press in public areas, but in places restricted from the public, you must be cleared before you can enter. furthermore, some places where you are legally allowed to be, have a different standard of conduct, of which if you violate it, you will be expelled from the building."

A "place restricted from the public" is a PRIVATE place. So why wasn't he arrested for trespassing? Clearly, wherever he was, he had a right to be. Why wasn't he arrested for disturbing the peace? Because he wasn't doing that either.

To me, the charge of "willful disruption of state government processes" is so hard to define that it fails to put the public on notice as to what it takes to commit this crime. Therefore, this charge seems like total bullshit, designed NOT to stand up in court but rather to cause the "violator" to incur legal fees and bail bondsmen fees. That is the pernicious effect of this situation.
Hauta (1583 D (S))
23 May 17 UTC
@Yanik, fyi here's Chuck Grassley's (R) take on the situation:
https://www.grassley.senate.gov/news/news-releases/grassley-fcc-should-explain-manhandling-news-reporter-public-meeting
Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
23 May 17 UTC
Ever heard of Civil Disobedience?
JamesYanik (548 D)
23 May 17 UTC
@Hauta

actually, it's the government equivalent to disturbing the peace. it's not that hard to define.

in any case, i've already said that the arrest was too much, but he needed to be escorted from the premises if he was causing so much trouble.
Hauta (1583 D (S))
23 May 17 UTC
@Yanik, if it's a law it needs to be on the books. No secret laws in America right?
Hauta (1583 D (S))
23 May 17 UTC
@Yanik, one more thing..."causing too much trouble" is subjective and easily abused to stifle the press. (I acknowledge your agreement that the arrest was too far. But you need to understand why they need to be able to slot any attempt to stifle the press into a legally defensible classification.)
bo_sox48 (4243 D Mod (G))
23 May 17 UTC
@James ... I appreciate you reiterating exactly what I said in my first two posts in this thread. What is your point?
JamesYanik (548 D)
23 May 17 UTC
@bo

i was responding to your comment IMMEDIATELY above mine, the problem wasn't liberal news, the problem was specifically this thread

@hauta

it's not secret?
bo_sox48 (4243 D Mod (G))
23 May 17 UTC
My comment that some Trump supporters can't seem to stand that some media sources are both left-leaning and credible? My comment that those two things can actually happen at the same time? Or my comment that some Trump supporters need a larger number of conservative viewpoint news sources over liberal viewpoint news sources in order to go about their day without having an internal electrical shortage since they seem to have absolutely no ability to be skeptical of anything proposed by wealthy, elite men?

What you said has absolutely no relation in the slightest to what I said. So, again - what's your point?
Hauta (1583 D (S))
24 May 17 UTC
Turns out, the "breach" of the secret service agents was Heyman extending his arm past the agent toward Price. In that outstretched hand, Herman held a cellphone near Price to record Price's answer to Heyman's question. The incident took place in a hallway and the formal complaint did not refer to any government function that was interfered with.
JamesYanik (548 D)
24 May 17 UTC
@bo

it was to

"My comment that some Trump supporters can't seem to stand that some media sources are both left-leaning and credible?"

yeah, CAPT and ND were more mad with Hauta than most media in that instance, because of how Hauta framed this.

you're not wrong, but in this context you're not correctly addressing what they're upset about
Hauta (1583 D (S))
24 May 17 UTC
What's wrong with how I framed it?
JamesYanik (548 D)
24 May 17 UTC
you framed it as:

"Freedom of the press is an integral part of the 1st amendment. Just wondering how rightwing media handled or ignored this story about Dan Heyman, the reporter that was arrested for asking persistent questions to Tom Price, HHS Secretary."


but you did not mention at all that he barged past security guards. you said "persistent questions" but that is an inaccurate description by omission of facts.

his charges directly related back to his aggressive behavior. upsetting government processes, is the government equivalent to disturbing the peace

press members know how etiquette in gov't buildings work, stop making this out to be more than it is
Hauta (1583 D (S))
24 May 17 UTC
Where'd you get the "barged past" bit? Sounds weird. I didn't know that a head fake could get you past the secret service. I kind of hoped they were better than that. I saw that he was waiting in the hallway when Price came by, protected by secret service (and that Heyman reached his cellphone in close to Price, as reporters often do when they record).
Hauta (1583 D (S))
24 May 17 UTC
@Yanik, what it is, is hitting the press with financial liability (hiring a lawyer, posting bond) to beat a bullshit charge). Chilling effect on media is a big deal isn't it?
JamesYanik (548 D)
24 May 17 UTC
bullshit charge? he reached pass secret service agents. if i did that, i might get arrested. Press don't get EXTRA benefits for being press.

you don't reach past government security. just doesn't work that way. it's a threat to the subject's life, and they would have been within their rights to taze him. you listen to security. you don't ignore them. they are there for a reason
Hauta (1583 D (S))
24 May 17 UTC
One more thing. It was a state law to protect West Virginia state business and Price is not a state of WV employee. More bullshit.
Hauta (1583 D (S))
24 May 17 UTC
Then charge him for assault.
JamesYanik (548 D)
24 May 17 UTC
so you're upset that they gave him a more lenient charge? goddamnit man
Hauta (1583 D (S))
24 May 17 UTC
I'm saying that charge of assault wasn't possible or else they would've done it. But they were annoyed and wanted to arrest him. So they MIS-used a law designed to protect WV state workers. I'm surprised you are not more upset by it, frankly. I'm used to partisans like ND and Capt_Brad willfully turning a blind eye, but you usually do your research and care about free speech no matter which way it cuts.
JamesYanik (548 D)
24 May 17 UTC
goddamnit Hauta this is not some amazing censorship of press. there are security protocols, and he did not follow them. arrest was perhaps excessive, but this is not a giant conspiracy to break down at the first amendment.

it isn't even a minor legal mishap that tore away at the first amendment.

compared to scandals we've seen over the last decade, and the scandals trump has going on now, this is about a 1/10. if that
Hauta (1583 D (S))
24 May 17 UTC
Great, there are even bigger scandals so no need to think about the first amendment. Funny, just the other day @leon argued that the state existed to protect the rights of man. It's important that this thread concludes with understanding that the press was mistreated by the government, not that we accept such treatment because it was an inconvenience to one guy we don't even know.


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JECE (1322 D)
11 May 17 UTC
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On how PPSC scoring does not encourage players to throw games
In our recent discussion (threadID=1432961), many mods and fellow pillars of the community claimed that when you have two Great Powers in a game that have between 12 and 16 supply centers, one of these Great Powers has a (D) points-incentive to throw the game. I disagreed and this puzzled my fellow users, but only Lethologica took the bait when I explained my position. Here it is again:
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Oztra (30 D X)
25 Mar 17 UTC
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Bump
Because I'm a new pleb, I'm not sure what bump means.
I've been seeing people use it a lot, and am unsure of the context and meaning behind this phrase
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carder007s.com (0 D X)
23 May 17 UTC
Buy CC, Cvv , dumps Fullz of all countries
Buy CC, Cvv , dumps Fullz of all countries
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Volmort (90 D)
22 May 17 UTC
Coast passing
Hi I have a question, can I move from mid-atlantic see to North Africa and next turn attack Tunis?

Or its prevented by coastal issues?
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CommanderByron (569 D Mod (S))
20 May 17 UTC
Gauging Interest: Econ-Dip
See Inside
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Namejeff (10 D X)
22 May 17 UTC
GTA 7
Does anyone have GTA 12 that I can borrow for my comrade
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bobarctor1977 (255 D)
18 May 17 UTC
Would anyone be interested in joining a game with some friends of mine and I?
I have 3 friends that I would like to introduce to the game, but can't seem to talk anyone else into playing with us for a full Ancient Med game. Just a casual, low-bet game, probably 2 day turns.
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Hippopankake (80 D)
20 May 17 UTC
New game
I'm thinking about making a game where you have to have a war goal and a justification for going to war similar to paradox games thoughts ?
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leon1122 (211 D)
18 May 17 UTC
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German Man Imprisoned for 10 years for Holocaust Denial
See below
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brainbomb (474 D)
21 May 17 UTC
Lawmaker threatened with Lynching after calling for Trumps impeachment.
http://www.ketv.com/article/racial-slurs-hurled-at-lawmaker-after-calling-for-trumps-impeachment/9901862
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Hauta (1583 D (S))
21 May 17 UTC
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Hehe, Trump just bowed to Saudi king and curtsied too
Just another example of Trump hypocrisy. He slammed Obama for merely bowing. The curtsy was bigly over the top.
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brainbomb (474 D)
20 May 17 UTC
Juggernaut is actually a horrible alliance
Despite the fearmongering ive seen in Press games about Juggernauts over the past 5 years ive been here...I cant help but note its low rate of success and how its paranoia often benefits France or England most. Please share games where Juggernauts fail miserably. But also include ones which work out in a 2wd (if there even is such a situtation)
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peterwiggin (14408 D (S))
24 Mar 17 UTC
Spring 2017 SoW Study Game
This thread is for commentary and discussion on the spring 2017 School of War Study Game: gameID=194603

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Jamiet99uk (100 D)
20 May 17 UTC
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Mafia
It's been a while since the last game of Mafia. When does the next one start?
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brainbomb (474 D)
18 May 17 UTC
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Is it Treason to sympathize with the Confederacy?
Shouldnt it be treason to sympathize with the Confederacy? We fought a war and defeated them. Hundreds of thousands died more than any war fought by America. For people who still wish the south had won- chant the south shall rise again or fly its flags isnt this treason?
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Crazy Anglican (172 D)
20 May 17 UTC
Dresden Files rpg
Anybody here played it or better yet GM'ed it?
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Fluminator (511 D)
18 May 17 UTC
Should otherkin be forced to give up their human rights?
Are there any otherkin on this site? I'm genuinely curious to understand this culture more. If you identify as something non-human, do you think you have a right to get the privileges that all humans deserve? Or do you believe you're in a separate category and thus have different standards and base rules to start off with?
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Hippopankake (80 D)
20 May 17 UTC
New game
I'm thinking about making a game where you have to have a war goal and a justification for going to war similar to paradox games thoughts ?
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Fat backstab (25 D X)
15 May 17 UTC
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WebDiplomacy
I feel this would be a much better game if you destroyed all of the thots accounts
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Jamiet99uk (100 D)
15 May 17 UTC
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Trump hands highly classified information to the Russians
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-revealed-highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/2017/05/15/530c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html?tid=ss_fb&utm_term=.ef65b5b012be

What a liability this man is.
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Hauta (1583 D (S))
16 May 17 UTC
Hillary's secret agenda
Someone made a comment that they voted for Trump because they were worried about Hillary's secret agenda. What was she going to do that was so bad?
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CAPT Brad (40 D X)
17 May 17 UTC
Why Should Hillary Have Been Elected President
Explain concrete reasons why.
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