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jason4747 (119 D)
27 Aug 17 UTC
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Inebriated Australians discussing Diplomacy. Milestone Episode #20 is hilarious
For the new guys, check out the latest Amby/Kaner podcast on our favorite hobby - worth a listen!

http://diplomacygames.com/
22 replies
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Gezirah (107 D)
27 Aug 17 UTC
SMTP Error: Could not authenticate
Tried to create an account, even tried with multiple different emails and still got this error. (I am asking this for a friend) Will not let him log in.
3 replies
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CAPT Brad (2580 D (B))
26 Aug 17 UTC
Is Brainbomb a Weapon of Mass Destruction?
You can never tell where he will turn up
16 replies
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Condescension (10 D X)
27 Aug 17 UTC
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CAPT Brad should be permanently banned
Why is this creep allowed to post on the forums? The guy was totally out of line. The mods talk all the time about "preserving the quality of discourse" on these forums but then let him get away with a slap on the wrist after sexually harassing someone online. Absurd.
62 replies
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JamesYanik (548 D)
27 Aug 17 UTC
Mayweather beats McGregor
Does anyone care on here or is it just me?
10 replies
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curupira (2676 D)
27 Aug 17 UTC
World Cup 2016 Finals
Could anyone update the scores and the final outcome of the World Cup 2016? Thanks.

http://tournaments.webdiplomacy.net/diplomacy-world-cup/world-cup-2016#F
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yavuzovic (254 D)
26 Aug 17 UTC
Pro vs Noob
Can I share others games without permission?
Look at gameID=205201
Players are not fair.
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yavuzovic (254 D)
26 Aug 17 UTC
Invisible units
Why I cannot see units at old games
gameID=199
Also why survivors-win scoring gives more coins/points than pot?
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brainbomb (245 D)
22 Aug 17 UTC
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Remove Discussion phase on the forum as a variant
The reason I want a forum without the discussion is because we already have a lot of threads, most being about steephies company, and punching shit, and I find the extra time it takes to mute them all a bit excessive.
21 replies
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wpfieps (450 D)
15 Jul 17 UTC
Advertise live games here
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TWild (306 D)
26 Aug 17 UTC
Draws
What is the etiquette of draws. If the game is at stalemate but a player won't agree a draw.
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Condescension (10 D X)
26 Aug 17 UTC
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Liberals are even worse than conservatives
The left should be focused on abolishing nationhood and class. Not microaggressions and compromises like minimum wage.
38 replies
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Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
26 Aug 17 UTC
Arpaio Pardoned
So sad.
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Deeply_Dippy (439 D)
25 Aug 17 UTC
Diplomacy-Related Question Thread
Ask your questions!

Someone's bound to know the answer.
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JamesYanik (548 D)
24 Aug 17 UTC
Yellen Speaks on Friday
Is our low inflation transitory or not? Is Yellen in touch with advancements in monetary policy? Is this exactly what the protocols of the elders of Zion predicted??? (Probably)

All that and more coming out of the one place on earth you associate with global banking: Jackson Hole, Wyoming
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Maltir (100 D)
25 Aug 17 UTC
Yet Another Rules Question
Am I able to move Edinburgh to Kiel via North Sea and Denmark?
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Heywood Jablowme (10 D)
25 Aug 17 UTC
American Empire IV map - another move question
I move a fleet from Arctic Ocean into Nunavut. Can I then move from Nunavut to Manitoba. (There doesn't appear to be any coastal restrictions in Nunavut but I wanted to be sure before I committed to the move - Thanks
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MangoDude (100 D)
22 Aug 17 UTC
Remove Diplomacy phase as a variant
The reason I want a variant without the diplomacy phase is because we already have very long phases, most being a day, and I find the extra diplomacy time is a bit excessive.
15 replies
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bo_sox48 (4243 D Mod (G))
21 Aug 17 UTC
Eclipse Day
I'm in the middle of nowhere in Kentucky but NASA is set up across the road from me so I assume I'm in a good spot. Anyone else have plans?
58 replies
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Gezirah (107 D)
25 Aug 17 UTC
How to start the game without it canceling
So I've been waiting for five days with six players to start a game, and as soon as it starts, I refresh and it says it's been canceled. Says I did not reach the limit of seven players. How do we actually start playing, after the waiting period is over?
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bo_sox48 (4243 D Mod (G))
23 Aug 17 UTC
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Mod Team Announcement
We are happy to announce that dargorygel is now a moderator. Please join me in wishing him your condolences, or even congratulations if you prefer.
22 replies
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Maltir (100 D)
24 Aug 17 UTC
Save vs Ready
What is the difference between "save" and "ready?" What are the advantages and disadvantages of both?
7 replies
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Heywood Jablowme (10 D)
24 Aug 17 UTC
Question about moves in game - Fall of the American Empire IV
Sorry for being a newbie, but as a fan of Diplomacy, I was really happy to find this site. My questions about movement - Is there an app or software so you can set up these variant maps locally and model moves/situations? Immediate question for my current game: On the Fall of the American Empire IV map, can I move a fleet from Manawut to Ungawa?
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Maltir (100 D)
24 Aug 17 UTC
Ska -> Bal
How many seasons does it take to get a fleet from Skagerrack to the Baltic Sea?
12 replies
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Heffomite (255 D)
24 Aug 17 UTC
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GBHigh29
I'm reluctant to accuse anyone of multi-account shenanigans or outside communication, but something seems a bit amiss in this game. It's full gunboat, no messaging at all, but somehow one player just convoyed another player's army across the North Sea.That's a hell of a guess.
4 replies
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Heywood Jablowme (10 D)
23 Aug 17 UTC
Civil Disorder?
What does it mean when a player goes into civil disorder? Obviously happens when they don't play a turn, but does anything happen or is it just to notify the group that the player missed a turn?
18 replies
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steephie22 (182 D (S))
21 Aug 17 UTC
Second Opinion on company name
Hey guys,
My company is called Broad Expert and someone recently asked me if a native English speaker would initially associate Broad with 'wide' in a literal sense, rather than the intended association with a broad expertise. The question of whether the name is proper use of English was also brought up.
Thoughts?
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Fluminator (511 D)
23 Aug 17 UTC
Can someone read this article for me
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/08/american-totality-eclipse-race/537318/
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Hellenic Riot (1574 D (G))
10 May 17 UTC
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The Official Spring 2017 1v1 Champions League
Now that 1v1 ELO has been up for a while, it's time to put the best to the test. See inside for details!
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Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
20 Jun 17 UTC
Group stage and up to present.
Shouldn't there be 56 games then? Or am I mathing wrong.

Interesting that there were 3 build Austria games, but no 3 build France games. I'm guessing those are Piedmont openings
And look at that Venice opening winrate!
Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
20 Jun 17 UTC
I didn't include games from those who placed 3rd or 4th in their group because there were a handful of "bad" games and NMRs. Weeding out weaker strategies or errors.
Ah. Makes sense then. Thanks for putting in the work. I think meme was trying to do something similar with his tourney at one point, but that may have gotten too large
I think what would be interesting to see is what groups of SC's are won with the most. When France wins, is it with Moscow or Tunis, etc
CptMike (3440 D)
21 Jun 17 UTC
Nice job Jeff Kuta!! Thank you.

My courses of statistics are far far away... Too far away... But just from the basic data it seems that in the population reprensented by this sample (fairly experienced players) we could conclude that A doesn't lose significately more often than F.

* Is A winning more often ( A:15 vs F+D:13 ) ? -> should be inconclusive
* Is F winning more often ( F:8 vs A+D:20 ) ? -> no
* Is A doesn't lose more often ( A+D:20 vs F:8 ) ? -> should be yes.
* Is F doesn't lose more often ( F+D:13 vs A:15 ) ? -> should be inconclusive



Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
21 Jun 17 UTC
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I suspect that we shall see trends solidify as better players choose better strategies. I will be following this tourney to its end. I also track movement and builds through 1902. May be worth checking on key SCs at the end.
Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
21 Jun 17 UTC
Spring 2017 1v1 Champions League (FvA)

SUPPLY CENTER COUNTS AT END GAME BY VICTOR

GREAT POWER WINS (#WINS)
Supply Center (Aut#Wins, Fra#Wins, Neut#Wins)

AUSTRIA WINS (16)
Naples (A16)
Venice (A16)
Rome (A14, F1, N1)
StPetersburg (A11, F5)
Berlin (A9, F7)
Munich (A7, F9)
Tunis (A6, F10)
Norway (A5, F10, N1)
Kiel (A1, F15)

FRANCE WINS (8)
Norway (F8)
Kiel (F8)
Tunis (F8)
Munich (F8)
StPetersburg (F7, A1)
Berlin (F7, A1)
Rome (F2, A6)
Naples (F1, A7)
Venice (F1, A7)

DRAW (5)
Naples (A5)
Rome (A5)
Venice (A5)
Tunis (A3, F2)
Berlin (A2, F3)
Munich (A1, F4)
StPetersburg (A1, F4)
Kiel (F5)
Norway (F5)

Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
21 Jun 17 UTC
Games counted include Top 2 finishers from each group stage and completed games to the present.
xorxes (18661 D)
21 Jun 17 UTC
A draw with Austria in StP? That's weird.
Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
21 Jun 17 UTC
Draw with Austria in StP. I think this game was ended because both participants were assured of advancing.

http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=198643
xorxes (18661 D)
21 Jun 17 UTC
Not a proper draw then. It messes up the statistics. :)
Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
21 Jun 17 UTC
True. Probably ought to eliminate this game from the analysis.
ghug (4049 D Mod (B))
21 Jun 17 UTC
They drew because they both thought they would lose. That was the group's third or fourth game to finish.
Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
21 Jun 17 UTC
Whatever the reason, the game wasn't drawn due to a stalemate so for the purposes of my analysis, it should be dropped from consideration.
Zybodia (355 D)
21 Jun 17 UTC
Meme was sure of advancing. (He was 4-1 at the time.) Genghiz still had to finish the rest of his games.

I have my own personal reasons for wishing that game had been finished.
Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
17 Jul 17 UTC
SPRING 2017 1v1 CHAMPIONS LEAGUE
France vs Austria

GAME RESULT COUNTS FOR ROUND OF 16

N = 20 (16 normal, 4 playoff)

RESULTS BY YEAR: N (YRxn, etc)
France win: 13 (06x1, 07x9, 08x1, 09x1, 10x1)
Austria win: 6 (04x2, 05x1, 06x3)
Draw: 1 (07x1)

FRANCE OPENINGS: N (F#w, A#w, D#)
ENG, Bur, Pic: 14 (F10, A3, D1)
ENG, Bur, Pie: 4 (F2, A3)
MAO, Bur, Pie: 1 (A1)

AUSTRIA OPENINGS: N (A#w, F#w, D#)
ALB, Gal, Tyr: 12 (A3, F8, D1)
ALB, Rum, Tyr: 2 (A1, F1)
VEN, Gal, Tyr: 6 (A2, F4)

FRANCE BUILDS 1901: N (F#w, A#w, D#)
A-Mar, A-Par: 10 (F6, A4)
F-Bre, A-Mar: 10 (F7, A2, D1)

AUSTRIA BUILDS 1901: N (A#w, F#w, D#)
A-Bud, A-Tri, A-Vie: 1 (A1)
A-Bud, A-Vie: 6 (A3, F3)
A-Tri, A-Vie: 12 (A2, F9, D1)
F-Tri, A-Vie: 1 (F1)


KEY SUPPLY CENTERS AT END GAME

OVERALL (N=20)
Kiel (F19, A1)
Tunis (F18, A2)
Munich (F16, A4)
Berlin (F14, A6)
Norway (F15, A3, N2)
St. Petersburg (F12, A8)
Rome (F10, A10)
Naples (F4, A16)
Venice (F4, A16)

WHEN FRANCE WINS (N=13)
Norway (F13, A0)
Tunis (F13, A0)
Kiel (F13, A0)
Berlin (F12, A1)
Munich (F12, A1)
St. Petersburg (F10, A3)
Rome (F10, A3)
Naples (F4, A9)
Venice (F4, A9)

WHEN AUSTRIA WINS (N=6)
Rome (A6)
Naples (A6)
Venice (A6)
St. Petersburg (A6)
Berlin (A4, F2)
Norway (A3, F2, N1)
Munich (A3, F3)
Tunis (A2, F4)
Kiel (A1, F5)


ADDITIONAL NOTES
Only two Austria wins were completed in 1904 (gameID=200749, gameID=200561).
All 4 France players that entered Norway in 1902 won (gameID=200638, gameID=200699, gameID=200976, gameID=200543).

Dat France winrate
Interesting stats though. Thanks for putting it together
Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
09 Aug 17 UTC
SPRING 2017 1v1 CHAMPIONS LEAGUE
France vs Austria

GAME RESULT COUNTS FOR QUARTERFINALS

N = 11 (8 normal, 3 playoff)

RESULTS BY YEAR: N (YRxn, etc)
Austria win: 7 (05x2, 06x3, 07x2)
France win: 3 (06x1, 08x1, 09x1)
Draw: 1 (08x1)

FRANCE OPENINGS: N (F#w, A#w, D#)
ENG, Bur, Pic: 9 (F2, A5, D1)
ENG, Bur, Pie: 2 (A2)

AUSTRIA OPENINGS: N (A#w, F#w, D#)
ALB, Gal, Tyr: 7 (A5, F2)
VEN, Gal, Tyr: 4 (A2, F1, D1)

FRANCE BUILDS 1901: N (F#w, A#w, D#)
F-Bre, A-Mar: 6 (F1, A4, D1)
A-Mar, A-Par: 4 (F1, A3)
F-Mar, A-Par: 1 (F1)

AUSTRIA BUILDS 1901: N (A#w, F#w, D#)
A-Tri, A-Vie: 5 (A4, F1)
A-Bud, A-Vie: 4 (A2, F2, D1)
A-Bud, A-Tri, A-Vie: 1 (A1)
A-Bud, A-Tri: 1 (F1)


KEY SUPPLY CENTERS AT END GAME

OVERALL (N=11)
Naples (F1, A10)
Venice (F1, A10)
Rome (F2, A9)
Munich (F3, A8)
Berlin (F4, A7)
St. Petersburg (F5, A6)
Norway (F10, A1)
Kiel (F9, A2)
Tunis (F9, A2)

WHEN FRANCE WINS (N=3)
Norway (F3)
St. Petersburg (F3)
Tunis (F3)
Berlin (F3)
Kiel (F3)
Munich (F3)
Rome (F2, A1)
Naples (F1, A2)
Venice (F1, A2)

WHEN AUSTRIA WINS (N=7)
Rome (A7)
Naples (A7)
Venice (A7)
Berlin (A7)
Munich (A7)
St. Petersburg (A6, F1)
Kiel (A2, F5)
Tunis (A2, F5)
Norway (A1, F6)


ADDITIONAL NOTES
No Austria wins were completed in 1904--players are wiser and more experienced now.
4 France players entered Norway in 1902--3 lost, 1 won.

France got crushed in the quarterfinals, a bit of a role-reversal from the round of 16.

It should surprise no one that Berlin and Munich are critical supply centers. They were both controlled by the winning great power in every game, and split when the game was drawn.

In every win, Austria also controlled Rome, Naples and Venice, while France controlled Norway, St. Petersburg, Tunis, and Kiel.

I correctly predicted 9 of the 11 outcomes after the end of 1902 builds, missing the draw and one prediction of France which ended for Austria.

Good luck to the semi-finalists!
xorxes (18661 D)
21 Aug 17 UTC
genghiz is the champion, congratulations!

gameID=204855
gameID=204856
Zybodia (355 D)
22 Aug 17 UTC
At least somebody from the group of death won. I can take solace in the fact I took a game from him.

Nice job, genghiz! Finally somebody proves that xorxes is beatable.
Hellenic Riot (1574 D (G))
22 Aug 17 UTC
The Spring 2017 Champions League is over, and congratulations to genghiz for winning, defeating the top seed in the final, and also coming out of one of the tightest groups in the Group Stage. The prize pool of 1000 D shall be awarded immediately!

Thank you to everyone for taking part. There were some brilliant games to spectate, and I enjoyed it immensely. Hopefully, all entrants enjoyed themselves, and were happy with the way it was run - any feedback here is welcome, too. As this is intended to become a biannual tournament, the Autumn CL should start around October time, and shall have the same tight qualification system - so get yourself into the top 32 by October!

Hellenic Riot (Tournament Director)
Hellenic Riot (1574 D (G))
22 Aug 17 UTC
Anyone wishing to view the full results may do so here: http://webdiplomacy.challonge.com/Spring2017ChampionsLeague
Bravo, gengiz!
chluke (6121 D (G))
22 Aug 17 UTC
Congratulations, genghiz!
pjmansfield99 (127 D)
22 Aug 17 UTC
Congrats Genghiz!

I need to find me some 1v1 games to try and break in.... anyone who's interested just PM me ;-)
genghiz (8644 D)
22 Aug 17 UTC
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Thanks everyone! I definitely picked a good time to have a winning streak, and got lucky more often than I deserved. Looking forward to the next tourney!!
Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
23 Aug 17 UTC
Congrats to genghiz for winning! Thanks to Hellenic Riot for running the show.

SPRING 2017 1V1 CHAMPIONS LEAGUE (FvA)

FINAL STATISTICS

Total games played: 72
Total gamed played R16+: 38
Games won: Austria=35, France=28, Draw=9
Games won R16+: Austria=18, France=16, Draw=4

GAMES COMPLETED BY YEAR
1904: 2 (A2)
1905: 12 (A12)
1906: 17 (A10, F5, D2)
1907: 21 (A7, F11, D3)
1908: 15 (A3, F9, D3)
1909: 4 (A1, F2, D1)
1910: 1 (F1)


SUPPLY CENTER COUNTS AT END GAME BY VICTOR

GREAT POWER WINS (#WINS-TOTAL) (#WINS-R16+)
Supply Center (Aut#WinTot, Fra#WinTot, Neut#WinTot)(Aut#WinR16, Fra#WinR16, Neut#WinR16)

AUSTRIA WINS TOTAL (35)
Venice (A35)
Naples (A34, F1)
Rome (A33, F1, N1)
StPetersburg (A28, F7)
Berlin (A24, F11)
Munich (A21, F14)
Tunis (A12, F33)
Norway (A8, F25, N2)
Kiel (A5, F30)

AUSTRIA WINS R16+ (18)
Venice (A18)
Naples (A17, F1)
Rome (A18)
StPetersburg (A17, F1)
Berlin (A12, F6)
Munich (A11, F7)
Tunis (A5, F13)
Norway (A5, F11, N2)
Kiel (A4, F14)

FRANCE WINS TOTAL (28)
Norway (F28)
Kiel (F28)
Tunis (F28)
Munich (F26, A2)
Berlin (F24, A4)
StPetersburg (F22, A6)
Rome (F12, A16)
Naples (F10, A18)
Venice (F6, A22)

FRANCE WINS R16+ (16)
Norway (F16)
Kiel (F16)
Tunis (F16)
Munich (F15, A1)
Berlin (F15, A1)
StPetersburg (F13, A3)
Rome (F12, A4)
Naples (F5, A11)
Venice (F5, A11)

DRAWN TOTAL (9)
Naples (A9)
Rome (A9)
Venice (A9)
Tunis (A4, F5)
Berlin (A3, F6)
Munich (A2, F7)
StPetersburg (A1, F7, N1)
Kiel (F9)
Norway (F9)


TOTAL ORDERS FOR AUSTRIA, SPRING 1901 (72: A34, F28, D8)
ALB, Gal, Tyr = 44 (A22, F19, D3)
VEN, Gal, Tyr = 23 (A12, F7, D4)
ALB, Rum, Tyr = 3 (A1, F1, D1)
ALB, Boh, Gal = 1 (D1)
ALB, Tri, Tyr = 1 (F1)

TOTAL ORDERS FOR FRANCE, SPRING 1901 (72: A34, F28, D8)
ENG, Bur, Pic = 57 (A25, F23, D9)
ENG, Bur, Pie = 8 (A4, F4)
MAO, Bur, Pie = 6 (A6)
MAO, Bur, Pic = 1 (F1)

TOTAL COMMON ORDER PAIRINGS, SPRING 1901 (60: A28, F25, D7)
ALB, Gal, Tyr && ENG, Bur, Pic (35: A17, F15, D3)
VEN, Gal, Tyr && ENG, Bur, Pic (18: A8, F6, D4)
VEN, Gal, Tyr && ENG, Bur, Pie (2: A1, F1)
ALB, Gal, Tyr && ENG, Bur, Pie (5: A2, F3)


R16+ ORDERS FOR AUSTRIA, SPRING 1901 (38: A18, F16, D4)
ALB, Gal, Tyr = 25 (A13, F10, D2)
ALB, Rum, Tyr = 2 (A1, F1)
VEN, Gal, Tyr = 11 (A4, F5, D2)

R16+ ORDERS FOR FRANCE, SPRING 1901 (38: A18, F16, D4)
ENG, Bur, Pic = 30 (A13, F13, D4)
ENG, Bur, Pie = 7 (A4, F3)
MAO, Bur, Pie = 1 (A1)

R16+ COMMON ORDER PAIRINGS (35: A16, F15, D4)
ALB, Gal, Tyr && ENG, Bur, Pic (20: A11, F7, D2)
VEN, Gal, Tyr && ENG, Bur, Pic (9: A2, F5, D2)
VEN, Gal, Tyr && ENG, Bur, Pie (1: A1)
ALB, Gal, Tyr && ENG, Bur, Pie (5: A2, F3)


TOTAL ORDERS AND BUILDS AFTER COMMON PAIRINGS (35)
SPRING01: ALB, Gal, Tyr && ENG, Bur, Pic (35)
AUTUMN01: GRE, War, Mun && LON, Mun, Bel (35)
Austria: A-Bud, A-Vie (13: A8, F4, D1)
Austria: F-Tri, A-Vie (2: A1, F1)
Austria: A-Tri, A-Vie (19: A8, F9, D2)
Austria: A-Bud, A-Tri (1: F1)
France: A-Mar, A-Par (14: A8, F6)
France: F-Bre, A-Mar (18: A8, F7, D3)
France: F-Mar, A-Par (3: A1, F2)

SPRING01: VEN, Gal, Tyr && ENG, Bur, Pic (18)
AUTUMN01: HOLD, Mun, Bel && LON, Mun, Bel (18)
Austria: A-Bud, A-Vie (7: A2, F2, D3)
Austria: A-Tri, A-Vie (8: A4, F4)
Austria: F-Tri, A-Vie (3: A2, D1)
France: A-Mar, A-Par (7: A4, F2, D1)
France: F-Bre, A-Mar (10: A3, F4, D3)
France: F-Bre, A-Par (1: A1)

SPRING01: ALB, Gal, Tyr && ENG, Bur, Pie (5)
AUTUMN01: GRE, War, Mun && LON, Mun, Ven (5)
Austria: A-Tri, A-Vie (5: A2, F3)
France: A-Mar, A-Par (4: A2, F2)
France: F-Bre, A-Mar (1: F1)


So the question is: How does France improve and win more?

As we can see VEN, Gal, Tyr is not generally a good opening for Austria against the standard ENG, Bur, Picardy opening for France, so most Austria players will not take this line.

The simple answer to counter ALB, Gal, Tyr is to open ENG, Bur, Piedmont more often. This ties up Austrian builds and impulse to retake Venice which gives France more time to secure Germany, Tunis and Norway (all 3 such French wins had these 5 SCs).

Here is an example of such a game, won by tournament runner-up, xorxes:
gameID=200563

It may take France a bit of time to become comfortable with this "risky" opening, but slowing Austria down can only be a good thing. Austria needs speed and impulse to win, but the end game clearly favors France. Surviving to that point is critical. In a tournament with pairings, it may be good to try and win as Austria and play for a draw as France. Draws happen more often than you might think.


WHAT IS THE BEST STRATEGY FOR FRANCE AFTER THE MOST COMMON OPENING of (ALB, Gal, Tyr && ENG, Bur, Pic) AND (GRE, War, Mun && LON, Mun, Bel)?

Let's look at the 4 common build pairings by R16+ players after those opening pairs of orders:

(A-Bud, A-Vie && F-Bre, A-Mar) (6: A5, D1)
(A-Tri, A-Vie && A-Mar, A-Par) (3: A2, F1)
(A-Tri, A-Vie && F-Bre, A-Mar) (4: A2, F1, D1)
(A-Bud, A-Vie && A-Mar, A-Par) (4: A2, F2)

Conventional wisdom for France holds that "flexibility" with a fleet in Brest is good. It turns out that's a false assumption. Build armies in Marseilles and Paris to give France the best chance. Control of Germany is critical to France's success and armies are needed to hold early gains.

The four (A-Bud, A-Vie && A-Mar, A-Par) games were rather interesting in their own rights. The two Austria victories came in 1904, while the two France victories came in 1909 and 1910. I think these 4 games are each worth study in their own right to see how Austria can be lightning fast and how France can grind down a quick start. Here they are:

gameID=200749 (Fluminator vs bozotheclown, AUSTRIA)
gameID=200561 (rdrivera2005 vs xorxes, AUSTRIA)
gameID=200544 (josemurc vs goldfinger0303, FRANCE)
gameID=200638 (SplitDiplomat vs captainmeme, FRANCE)

HOW GENGHIZ DID IT
When playing France: 5 (F1, D4)
When playing Austria: 5 (A4, F1)

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