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Hauta (1598 D (S))
27 Apr 17 UTC
Why didn't Obama prosecute Michael Flynn?
If what Michael Flynn did was wrong, then why didn't Obama prosecute him for it?
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brainbomb (345 D)
25 Apr 17 UTC
Catholic School horror stories
When I was in 4th grade I puked on the girl next to me in church during an all school mass. It was on her coat and in her hair. I think thats why she hated me moving forward. Pretty sure her name was amamda er something. Share your nightmares of similair nature.
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jmo1121109 (2482 D Mod)
26 Apr 17 UTC
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Rules Question
"Furthermore, it is against the rules to make cheating accusations on the forum, even in cases where the user in question has been confirmed to own multiple accounts. The most frequent reason users create additional accounts is that they forgot the password to their original account."

Question inside
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The Ambassador (149 D)
27 Apr 17 UTC
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Latest podcast including webDip live games...
Hi folks, episode 16 of the Diplomacy Games podcast is now live. We talk metagaming arseholes, the live Dip game experience at webDip & the Colonial variant over at VDip.

And of course there's drinking... a lot of it. Listen at DiplomacyGames.com, iTunes or Stitcher.
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VashtaNeurotic (639 D)
18 Apr 17 UTC
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Greatest Movie Tournament
It's been a while since we've done one of these. Details Below.
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DammmmDaniel (104 D)
26 Apr 17 UTC
Boy Scouts
I am having problems acquiring my Eagle Scout
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goldfinger0303 (1954 D Mod)
14 Apr 17 UTC
GvI 1v1 Strategy
A thread to talk about strategy and openings for GvI. Particularly from an Italian perspective.
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brainbomb (345 D)
26 Apr 17 UTC
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Girl Scouts
I am having problems selling all my cookies this year.
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Hauta (1598 D (S))
25 Apr 17 UTC
28 pieces of legislation signed by Trump into law
Here's the list:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/signed-legislation
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Jamiet99uk (75 D)
18 Apr 17 UTC
UK General Election, 2017
Well here's a bit of news. There will be a General Election in the UK on 8th June.
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user1981 (436 D)
26 Apr 17 UTC
How to bet 0 not taking over CD
You make two accounts, after one is banned, you ask the moderator to still play in the game with the second, so in effect taking over cd from yourself, it is allowed to do it on this site - example as a france http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=196322
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Hauta (1598 D (S))
22 Apr 17 UTC
Clean wood energy
All this talk about clean coal. Why bother digging up energy when we have so much wood ABOVE ground! As a bonus, we get more farmland. Let's retrain coal miners to be lumberjacks!
Chaqa (3134 D (B))
22 Apr 17 UTC
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That Amazon RainForest looks pretty good for getting energy
Hauta (1598 D (S))
22 Apr 17 UTC
At least wood regrows so it's a renewable
New wood growth would take up the carbon that the burned wood would emit.
Claesar (823 D Mod)
22 Apr 17 UTC
It's also possible to make plastic out of wood instead of oil.
ishirkmywork (1321 D)
23 Apr 17 UTC
But I g wood is technically sustainable if you have seven acres of hardwood per home.
Hauta (1598 D (S))
23 Apr 17 UTC
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If we burn down some of the homes (the old ones), then that solves 2 problems at once. More wood for burning, and fewer homes so that the 7 acres/home target can be met.
orathaic (1009 D (B))
23 Apr 17 UTC
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Hauta, you realise that jew wood growth prevents you having more farmland.

And historically turning forest into farmland outside of temperate zones leads to dessertification (though this may be poorly inderstood, we're pretty sure lack of plant cover leaves all the water vapour to evapourate and shortly there after the soil becomes useless for farming).
Octavious (1716 D)
23 Apr 17 UTC
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Methinks Ora is channelling his inner Mapleleaf :p.

"Rabbi hunting with dogs: The role of typos in antisemitism", has never been so relevant.

Wood burning would be an excellent energy source for humanity. Assuming we had a global population of under a billion or so. Time for a cull :)

orathaic (1009 D (B))
23 Apr 17 UTC
*new wood growth. Apologies for all typos.
Randomizer (90 D)
23 Apr 17 UTC
Burn all that paperwork generated by the US government. A copy of the printed version of the budget could easily heat a home on a winter's day. Trump's combined executive orders and new studies could last a year.
Smokey Gem (210 D)
23 Apr 17 UTC
Clean Coal is frankly fake it compares clean coal to dirty coal ,, thats like comparing if you want baby poo or dog poo stuck on your shoe while you work..It is still poo,

Coal is basically just consentrated wood , it still prroduses co2..in massice QTY compared to solar, wind, hydro, nuclear, tidal and geothermal energies..

We should chop and burn down the rainforrsts to make more space for webdippers and hunt whales just for the fun of it..
Smokey Gem (210 D)
23 Apr 17 UTC
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Whales being any webdipper over 1000 pints :-)
CAPT Brad (2632 D (B))
23 Apr 17 UTC
Just because you are a loser smokey doesn't mean you should be a hater too
Hauta (1598 D (S))
23 Apr 17 UTC
@orathaic, dessertification would be to turn the farmland into a great big tiramisu. I think you mean desertification. I think the process is that lack of trees causes more water runoff and erosion, leading to a loss of topsoil.
orathaic (1009 D (B))
23 Apr 17 UTC
And water evapouration, which would otherwise be trapped by dense vegetation.

Either way, cutting down forest to replace with farmland is a terrible long term plan.
Making carbon neutral wood for fuel by regrowing would likely reduce farmland, as land is limited and most use changes have undesirable side effects...
JECE (1322 D)
24 Apr 17 UTC
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I'm a Hauta-jack and I'm OK!

I sleep all night and I troll all day!

I cut down trees, I eat my lunch

I go to the lavatory!

On Saturdays I redefine

forests as a renewable resource!

I cut down trees,

I skip and jump,

I ignore human timescales

I put on women's clothing

to devastate ecosystems!

I chop down trees,

I wear high heels, suspenders and a bra!

I wish burning carbon-based compounds

wouldn't release greenhouse gases into the atmosphere,

BUT IT DOES.
JamesYanik (548 D)
24 Apr 17 UTC
i've heard recently that a lot of carbon emissions come from agriculture. if this is the case, then maybe it's time to stop the massive food waste that the government creates by making price floors and buying surpluses.
ishirkmywork (1321 D)
24 Apr 17 UTC
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Agriculture accounts for 30% of carbon emissions. But it doesn't have to be so. My farm sequesters more carbon than it emits through low till, cover cropping, and erosion controlling habitats. And I burn wood.
ishirkmywork (1321 D)
24 Apr 17 UTC
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If all farms in the US increased the carbon content of their soul by 2% we would scrub the atmosphere of CO2 and reverse climate change. With some left over to help with brainbombs lady troubles.
ishirkmywork (1321 D)
24 Apr 17 UTC
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And we all know the carbon contents of our souls are much more important then our soils.

Does anyone want to play diplomacy? Hit me up.
Hauta (1598 D (S))
24 Apr 17 UTC
why does agriculture account for so much in carbon emissions? That number just doesn't make sense to me.
ishirkmywork (1321 D)
24 Apr 17 UTC
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Clearing land, pesticide and chemical use, too frequent tillage, animal waste, transportation and refrigeration to name a few.
JamesYanik (548 D)
24 Apr 17 UTC
and like 40% of produce doesn't even make it to market
LeonWalras (293 D)
24 Apr 17 UTC
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Not to mention that most agriculture is just growing feed to ship to other farms to grow meat. That's why I have an insect farm, way more efficient than animal protein.
Hauta (1598 D (S))
24 Apr 17 UTC
I was at Biosphere-2 once. The carbon dioxide level in the facility was very high. In response, the leaves on the vegetation grew very big and ended up sequestering more and more of it. Once earth's vegetation catches up to the increasing levels of CO2 in the atmosphere, CO2 levels will stabilize. http://www.wood2020.com/learnmore
eturnage (332 D (B))
24 Apr 17 UTC
Trees are the best source of carbon sequestration. Losing our trees is a much bigger threat to the planet than coal will ever be.
Hauta (1598 D (S))
24 Apr 17 UTC
that's why burning trees is so good. Upon incineration, capture the emitted carbon and sequester it at the smokestack. Meanwhile, the removed trees create room for MORE trees to grow so we can repeat the process!
CAPT Brad (2632 D (B))
24 Apr 17 UTC
Despite Decades Of Deforestation, The Earth Is Getting Greener ...
www.iflscience.com/environment/despite-decades-deforestation-earth-getting-greener/
With a greening globe, more plants may mean more absorption of carbon dioxide. ... We also found unexpectedly large vegetation increases in savannas. Despite ongoing deforestation in South America and Southeast Asia, we found that the decline in these regions has been offset by recovering forests outside the tropics, and new growth in the drier savannas and shrublands of Africa and Australia.
bo_sox48 (4283 D Mod (G))
24 Apr 17 UTC
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I actually did a survey recently and calculated that we would need about 500,000 square miles (1,350,915,873 square meters, to be exact, or over twice the size of Texas) of woodland with a stem density of about 0.5 trees per square meter (relatively average for the lower 48) to adequately sequester the carbon emissions of the state of Illinois each year. Illinois emits a hell of a lot but is not the highest in the country per capita or per unit of land, and the emissions out of Illinois constitute a rather minuscule percentage of the emissions of the entire nation or the entire world. Carbon sequestration through forests is a valuable idea, but it is worth very little for as long as we continue to pump out vastly more carbon than the world's forests could ever handle even at their most efficient. Carbon sequestration itself is little more than a noble idea until we have a real way of doing it that can keep up with our consumption levels.

If you really want to stop climate change, cut consumption and find energy alternatives. Hauta's alternative is pretty dumb, for various reasons, the biggest being that we have a giant ball of free energy floating in the sky above us. Capturing sunlight in sunny places and storing that energy in these magical things called batteries is a viable alternative until nuclear fusion is feasible on a grand scale.
orathaic (1009 D (B))
24 Apr 17 UTC
Batteries may be less cost effective than trees, when it comes to storing energy from the sun.

Mostly because of the cost of materials, the difficulties batteries have with energy densities (to approach those densities used by jet fuel for example) But wood doesn't reach those densities either... at the moment wood still has a huge advantage when it comes to disposal/recycling.

Batteries are difficult to recycle - though their life span allows them many charge/discharging cycles.
CAPT Brad (2632 D (B))
24 Apr 17 UTC
i have a battery storage-back-up system for my solar roof panels. they charge my plug-in prius
bo_sox48 (4283 D Mod (G))
24 Apr 17 UTC
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Batteries could be less cost effective in some scenarios, yes, but they're more space effective. Reclaiming viable agricultural soil for reforestation on a worldwide scale to the point where we can actually sequester Illinois' carbon emissions, let alone the emissions from rest of the United States and other major polluters, is somewhere in between the realms of "highly unlikely" and "never gonna happen." Batteries, on the other hand, are already happening, as are alternative energies.

As someone who appreciates forest (and native ecosystem) restoration and takes part in many, I appreciate the sentiment, but it is little more than a sentiment, ora. A carbon neutral world via trees ain't gonna happen.
CAPT Brad (2632 D (B))
24 Apr 17 UTC
did i mention i have batteries and a plug-in prius?
LeonWalras (293 D)
25 Apr 17 UTC
Several times. You should look at getting a plug in with longer range to really leverage the batteries + solar. I just test drove the new Hyundai Ioniq. Amazing range
and features.

Back on topic, I grow my own fire wood, but the local particulate emissions are really appalling, even if the net emissions are technically carbon neutral. Not a scalable solution unless you like breathing smog.
orathaic (1009 D (B))
25 Apr 17 UTC
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@bo i was not the one who suggested it could happen.

I appreciate that land is a limited resource, and that growing trees/hard wood to sequester carbon, while great, isn't going to save everything on its own.

On the other hand Hauta seems to think we should use it as a carbon neutral energy storage system. Which doesn't sequester any carbon, while imposing a massive industrial scale burden on land.

Vertical farms would be an interesting approach, but i've only seen them exist for leafy greens and fungi... Wood tends to take longer to grow (and thus have lower RoI) and require more vertical space. Still we shall see what becomes possible if we don't kill ourselves first!
Hauta (1598 D (S))
25 Apr 17 UTC
@Ora, I've suggested that we capture the carbon at the smokestack for sequestration. Then, as we grow and burn more wood (and sequester new carbon) we sequester ever more carbon. Instead of coal, where the best we can do is break even, by using wood's ability to gather carbon from the air, we end up CLEANING the air by burning wood (with proper smokestack recapture).
bo_sox48 (4283 D Mod (G))
25 Apr 17 UTC
That's called trolling, ora.
Hauta (1598 D (S))
25 Apr 17 UTC
What's your beef Bo, that we don't have proper scrubbers for smokestacks or is it something else?
bo_sox48 (4283 D Mod (G))
25 Apr 17 UTC
That's what Santa's stomach is for.
JamesYanik (548 D)
25 Apr 17 UTC
@bo

can i get the math you did for that? i mean that seems like you're changing a lot of variables in there, and most of the Carbon cycle is non-human. i understand even small contributions that overfill carbon gluts lead to warming, but i'm looking at 500,000 square miles, which would be like the entirety of the louisiana purchase, for just one state's emissions, and that doesn't seem quite right.
JamesYanik (548 D)
25 Apr 17 UTC
https://www.skepticalscience.com/graphics.php?g=2
bo_sox48 (4283 D Mod (G))
25 Apr 17 UTC
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Sure, James, but forgive me - I really hate math, so this isn't gonna look like math.

I started out with a sample plot that I was using for soil data (irrelevant project I was doing). The area of that quadrant was 1734.83 sq meters. The carbon content of that area was 300.5 Mg, which is fairly easy to calculate. The estimated tree mass in the quardrant was 601 Mg (lots of calculations went into this and I don't remember the exact methodology, so I assume I was right; just roll with it) and the wet-weight to carbon content ratio in most wood is about 0.5 (constant). Multiply those numbers, you get 300.5 - dramatically higher than the soil of the quadrant, which we estimated to hold about 12 Mg of carbon. I thought that was kinda cool to quantify.

The EIA puts out data on each state's emissions. Illinois emitted 234 million Mg of carbon in 2014. I gave you the area - 1734.83 sq meters - and how much carbon the trees in that plot held - 300.5 Mg - so you can figure out the rest: 778,702 of our quadrants in order to neutralize Illinois' emissions. Keep on mathing and eventually you get to 1.3 million square kilometers of forest area.

As for whether or not the sample is useful and how much error there is in a clearly not statistically significant data plot, you can make the argument that I would need to take a bunch more samples with identical stem densities and take the harmonic mean of the basal areas of like 800 different plots in order to say that I actually found a constant amount of carbon that a certain amount of trees can sequester at any given time, but I'm not that invested, so you can either take the math with that grain of salt or you can assume that I did my due diligence in finding a relatively normal quadrant of edge forest along the southwestern shores of Lake Michigan, one of the most polluted areas in the country, to take data from. You could also say I skipped a bunch of steps and am therefore hiding something, which is fair, but I don't really care to explain the ins and outs of a project that I don't even have the design to anymore, so I'm just gonna trust that I did it well at the time. I got an A on the project I did regarding woodland carbon sequestration using this data, if that is any consolation. You could also say that you can't use this data to say how much carbon that woodland could sequester in a year's time, which is fair; in fact, that is something that I said to my professor. He told me not to worry about that, which meant less work for me, so I didn't.

So, again, are the numbers exactly right? Probably not. Would I use these numbers in a research paper? Probably not. Was my quadrant fairly normal as far as the average forest goes in the United States? Yep. Therefore, am I fairly close? In all likelihood, yes. Maybe it's only 1.8 Texases instead of 2.0. Whatever. Dramatic numbers are dramatic numbers.
CAPT Brad (2632 D (B))
25 Apr 17 UTC
Bo you are trolling
bo_sox48 (4283 D Mod (G))
25 Apr 17 UTC
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Prove me wrong, Brad. I would definitely like the number to be far, far lower than the one I came up with. Hell, I would like it if climate change weren't a thing at all. Too bad I have been studying it for seven years, but still.
Hauta (1598 D (S))
25 Apr 17 UTC
Bo, my plan is essentially to use the natural scrubbing ability of vegetation to capture atmospheric CO2 and then to burn it and to recapture THAT CO2 for burial (for formation into coal, millions of years from now). What's wrong with that?
JECE (1322 D)
25 Apr 17 UTC
CAPT Brad: Trolling? Honey, don't give us that.
JECE (1322 D)
25 Apr 17 UTC
Hauta: Are you actually serious? Your plan is nuts at every level.
Hauta (1598 D (S))
25 Apr 17 UTC
Humor me.
ishirkmywork (1321 D)
25 Apr 17 UTC
The best way to sequester carbon is through grassland. Carbon is put directly into the soil, where it can remain for ages. carbon Is transferred from the air to the plant and down into the roots. When the grass is grazed by wild animals or domestic free range animals, the roots shear off to maintain the proper root to leaf ratio, and the carbon becomes part of the soil. Increasing the carbon content of
Our soils by a couple of percentage points deals with excess carbon ina matter of decades.
The problem is humans are greedy and like cheap wood cheap beef cheap corn and cheap soybeans.
CAPT Brad (2632 D (B))
25 Apr 17 UTC
@ JECE, honey?!? well shucks
bo_sox48 (4283 D Mod (G))
26 Apr 17 UTC
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That really doesn't work that well either, ishirk. I am 100% all for wildlife refuges, green space, and restoration of the natural grasslands and prairies that are so endangered across the world, but carbon sequestration is a very minor part that those places play. We can't make them do more than they already do, even if we replant them.

Since carbon sequestration only happens at natural levels in nature, I don't see why we should expect a natural solution to an unnatural problem. If we're going to sequester carbon, we need to do it ourselves. If we're going to sequester carbon through nature, we need to first conform to nature. That's all there is to it.


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Hauta (1598 D (S))
25 Apr 17 UTC
Where is the Coke ad where...
I want to see a Coke ad where a Kendall Jenner look-a-like tries to stop a riot by presenting a can of Pepsi. After a dramatic pause in the melee, both sides ask her, "You got Coke?" [Then they resume fighting].
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captainmeme (849 D Mod)
20 Apr 17 UTC
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WebDiplomacy Survivor
Roll up, roll up! I got permission to run this game on the site, and since there’s a reasonable time until the next mafia game so this would be the time to do it.
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DRFrazier99 (14 D)
25 Apr 17 UTC
New Game
how do I join a new game?
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Smokey Gem (210 D)
23 Apr 17 UTC
Basic D& D where to get moduals and or Immortals set..
Does anyone have any sets they want to off load ?/
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David Ridley (100 D)
24 Apr 17 UTC
Allocation of countries
How does the server decide which country you get?
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DammmmDaniel (104 D)
24 Apr 17 UTC
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3 Months into Calculus
Things are getting pretty serious. We have all-nighters together, we watch Khan Academy videos together and it even joined my subject study group. I think this one is a hard one. Its thermos are alright too.
Hey BB suck on this
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Handschar (31 D X)
21 Apr 17 UTC
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Reenactors
Are there any other reenactors here? I do both American Civil War and WWII Reenacting and would like to know if there are any others out there like me.
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markradar29 (358 D)
14 Apr 17 UTC
1901 Country Assignments
Does anybody else constantly get assigned the same country or countries? I've entered into maybe 15 games and every time but one, have been assigned either England, Germany, or Russia.

(Note: this is not a complaint--I'll never bemoan a free game of Diplomacy!!! Just curious :-)
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swordsman3003 (9379 D Mod (G))
24 Apr 17 UTC
Game Start Date - any way to know?
I know you can see the date a game finished, but is there a way to look and see when it started? I am curious to see how long a game took to finish in real time.

I looked for this for a while, so I'm the dunce if someone immediately points this out...
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bo_sox48 (4283 D Mod (G))
22 Apr 17 UTC
I'm drunk
How is your night going, webdip
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peterwiggin (14670 D (S))
22 Apr 17 UTC
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I'm sober
How is your day going, webdip
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abgemacht (840 D (G))
21 Apr 17 UTC
I also have an oven story
Accidentally hit Clean a few days ago. Cancelled it because there were things in the oven. Haven't been able to open it since. Have had it unplugged for 24 hours, hoping the electromagnet that allegedly locks it loses strength soon. Will update as warranted.
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peterwiggin (14670 D (S))
22 Apr 17 UTC
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Mod team announcement
Please welcome Socrates dissatisfied to the mod team.
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brainbomb (345 D)
23 Apr 17 UTC
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3 months into a relationship
Things are getting pretty serious. We have barbeques together, we watch game of thrones and she even joined my dungeouns and dragons group. I think this ones a keeper. Her kids are alright too.
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dargorygel (332 D Mod (G))
23 Apr 17 UTC
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I think I left my Reactor Oven on overnight, and Now want to be a Better Baker.
What should I do?
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fourofswords (407 D)
23 Apr 17 UTC
Erector sets
How many Webdippers remember Erector sets? Or for that matter, Lincoln Logs and Tinker Toys? Of course, I expect the usual 90% comedy answers, the real reason I ask.
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brainbomb (345 D)
22 Apr 17 UTC
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Reactors
Are there any other people who work on reactors here? I do both American Civil War and WWII Reactor repairs and would like to know if there are any others out there like me.
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Fletch! (575 D (S))
22 Apr 17 UTC
Two players from one IP?
Is it allowed to have two players playing from the same household - in different games? I know they cannot join games together, and that is fine with me, but can two players from the same household play different games?

Thanks! Don't want to be banned accidentally.
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