Then why doesn't it say "PPSC" ?

Weird that lots of old games have "Survivors-Win" scoring.

Like: gameID=103877

Is this a stupid Mod/Dev joke?

Older games tends to have SWS because it was initially the default setting.

It got renamed to SWS because that helped distinguish WTA PPSC (Sum of Squares) from non-WTA PPSC (Survivors-Win Scoring).

Points Per Supply Centre was confusing. People thought it meant they would get that number of points in a draw.

Survivors-Win Scoring is confusing. It implies that Survive and Win are the same thing.

I think it's about time we had a site-wide referendum to abolish the stupid Sum of Squares scoring system and re-instate the beloved PPSC.

Don't start that again.

You don't have a comedy cube. I don't take orders from you.

I miss PPSC and I think it should be re-instated. Let's have an endless debate about it.

Holy shit. PPSC fucking sucked and it is never coming back, deal with it and move on.

@ DemonOverlord: But you agree that Sum of Squares sucks, right?

Let's just have WTA and nothing else.

No, I kinda like SoS tbh

PPSC is an abomination that incentivizes kingmaking.

SoS isn't really that great either because smaller nations are marginalized further.

I abhor cutting the draw and SoS means you don't have to do that

"Survivors-Win Scoring is confusing. It implies that Survive and Win are the same thing. "

Why is that confusing? That's exactly what PPSC is.

Cutting the draw is part of the game.

SoS can speed games up because cutting the draw is less important. I can also see it being beneficial in some tournament settings since tiebreakers are likely to be more granular.

Cutting the draw was never meant to be part of the game. Calhamer disliked it so much that draws were outright removed from several editions of the rulebook.

Cutting the draw is the most enjoyable part of a game.

Citation needed there meme. Draws have always been part of the published game.

http://www.diplomacy-archive.com/resources/calhamer/objectives.htm

@captainmeme: If that's true I agree with Calhamer - I would support development work to make it possible to create games on WebDip with no "Draw" button.

"Survivors-Win Scoring is confusing. It implies that Survive and Win are the same thing. "

"Why is that confusing? That's exactly what PPSC is."

No it is not. It appears you're confused. So, I was right.

@Jeff - Draws were in the very first version of the rulebook, but were removed in the 1961 edition. They were not added back in until '71.

'61 dropped it in favour of the 'Short Game' rules: time limited games which were won by the player with the most pieces on the board at the time limit.

http://www.diplomacy-archive.com/resources/rulebooks/1961GRI.pdf

Also @Jamiet in PPSC, Survivors are rewarded, defeated players are not. Therefore, the Survivors win.

Jamie, PPSC was renamed over a year ago. Did you only really notice now?

@captainmeme Therefore, the Survivors win.
unless they are 'outed' on national TV

@Captainmeme: Would you say that in the FA Premier League, 17 teams win and 3 lose?

@Peregrine: I don't spend much time looking over very old games. Why would I have noticed?

captainmeme:
"Why is that confusing? That's exactly what PPSC is."
'Survivors-Win Scoring' makes no sense for multiple reasons. (I thought this was already acknowledged by the powers that be, but I guess we're just getting ignored.) To begin with, PPSC scoring does not make 'survivors' 'winners' of any game. There is only ever one 'winner' who can declare 'victory' in PPSC games.

The stated reason for the name change ("People thought it meant they would get that number of points in a draw.") makes no sense since the name change didn't clarify that problem.

A_Tin_Can:
"Don't start that again."
Actually, I think we recently had a conversation that was left unresolved. Why not pick up where we left off?