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brainbomb (474 D)
23 Mar 17 UTC
Is America mediocre?
What factors in your opinion have made America a lousy place to live? Can it be fixed? And under the current political atmosphere will America be exceptional by 2020?
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WyattS14 (100 D)
21 Mar 17 UTC
John Stuart Mill!
The purpose of this thread is just to appreciate everything that John Stuart Mill was. His amazingly useful quotes specifically.

See my name
WyattS14 (100 D)
21 Mar 17 UTC
“It is better to be a human being dissatisfied than a pig satisfied; better to be Socrates dissatisfied than a fool satisfied.” <3
A few of my other favorites, although I'll only do short ones: "Next to selfishness, the principal cause which makes life unsatisfactory, is want of mental cultivation"
"It is not because men's desires are strong that they act ill; it is because their consciences are weak"
"The future of mankind will be gravely imperiled, if great questions are left to be fought over between ignorant change and ignorant opposition to change"
"Of what avail is the most broadly popular representative system if the electors do not care to choose the best member of Parliament, but choose him who will spend the most money to be elected"
"was there ever any domination which did not appear natural to those who possessed it?"

okay i'll stop spamming now haha.
MajorMitchell (993 D)
21 Mar 17 UTC
Good stuff to read, thanks SD
MajorMitchell (993 D)
21 Mar 17 UTC
I just think of silly things like the line from the Monty Python "philosopher's song"
..John Stuart Mill drank half a pint of shandy and was particularly ill.
Deeply_Dippy (400 D)
21 Mar 17 UTC
While Socrates himself was permanently pissed.

Is that were the dissatisfaction comes from?
Lethologica (203 D)
21 Mar 17 UTC
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SocDis, please come back and spam some more, by all means--you've been replaced with spam of a quite inferior quality.

To pass the time, a classic:
"Let not any one pacify his conscience by the delusion that he can do no harm if he takes no part, and forms no opinion. Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing."
Matticus13 (1039 D)
21 Mar 17 UTC
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"The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing." -Socrates
Matticus13 (1039 D)
21 Mar 17 UTC
^I always try and remember this to keep me grounded. Works quite well.
Matticus13 (1039 D)
21 Mar 17 UTC
Since SD was commenting, I thought I'd give him his due...
mitomon (185 D)
21 Mar 17 UTC
The wall street journal wrote an article about him and guess what? The title contains "pizza". No other food item was present Wyatt
WyattS14 (100 D)
21 Mar 17 UTC
His due? We're talking about John Stuart Mill, not Aristotle. (Although I do love reading about aristotelian justice)
WyattS14 (100 D)
21 Mar 17 UTC
Mito WHY
mitomon (185 D)
21 Mar 17 UTC
Ask the editor. It was probably because pizza is awesome like no other food.
Carebear (100 D)
22 Mar 17 UTC
Egoistic Hedonism

Utilitarianism

Jeremy Bentham

Yeah, Philosophy was one of my majors in college and I liked JSM.
Matticus13 (1039 D)
22 Mar 17 UTC
Soren Kierkegaard was always one of my favorites.
Condescension (10 D X)
22 Mar 17 UTC
JSM is a little bitch who didn't understand what was necessary to achieve the ends he desired:

Pure communism.
Have you read his essay on socialism? I don't agree with Mill on a lot but you can tell he's thoughtful and knows a lot
Carebear (100 D)
22 Mar 17 UTC
@Condi - Communism? It has been 30 years or so, but IIRC he would run more towards the stateless Utopia than a government driven one. But, it has been 30 years since I have read his works, so my memory could be off.
orathaic (1009 D (B))
22 Mar 17 UTC
Eh: "Mill defended British imperialism by arguing that a fundamental distinction existed between civilized and barbarous peoples.". Racist much?
Lots of awful things to say about Mill for sure. No denying that.
orathaic (1009 D (B))
22 Mar 17 UTC
I just read this: https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/England_and_Ireland

He seems to most liberal and forward thinking of racists i've read. (I did not expect these two thread to cross so direclty)
Read almost any notable liberal philosopher from that time or earlier and you'll find a lot of horrendous racist things.
orathaic (1009 D (B))
23 Mar 17 UTC
Well liberal then did not mean what liberal means now. So called 'classic liberals' or more like modern libertarians than modern 'social liberals' (or what not).
pastoralan (100 D)
23 Mar 17 UTC
True, but John Stuart Mill was basically the founder of modern social liberalism.
orathaic (1009 D (B))
23 Mar 17 UTC
Interesting, i will have to study more :)
1 JSM probably was the found of modern liberalism in my mind
2 You read a lot of earlier liberals and you'll find ideas that you can argue are modern liberal ideas (some readings of John Locke have him as a defender of an extensive welfare state, for instance)
3 classical liberals are more like libertarians or neoliberals, yes, but still you may find some of the racism surprising, given lots of the stuff on human rights, and various other general treatment of humans

4 A lot of other historical thinkers, that some would describe as important founders of modern liberalism, that one might associate with ideas about general mankind, such as Kant, Hume, whoever, said horribly racist things too.

5 I'm rambling and going on, but if you're interested you can read Charles Mills on "herrenvolk ethics"
orathaic (1009 D (B))
24 Mar 17 UTC
herrenvolk ethics, i may add it to my reading list... which is unfortunately very very long right now. (currently only reading, beyond good and evil, the intelligent man's guide through world chaos - https://www.amazon.com/Intelligent-Guide-through-World-Chaos/dp/B006BAN2DU- 'Hot, Flat and Crowded', The Underground Railroad, and a pdf about Native Hawaiians and US Federal Recognition which JECE linked me on a different thread)
pastoralan (100 D)
24 Mar 17 UTC
@Socrates: classical liberals did not, and do not, have any real interest in human rights. They like to talk about liberty a lot but it's a smokescreen for having the liberty to take as much as possible from other people.
Durga (1580 D Mod)
24 Mar 17 UTC
Yet another colonial imperialist.
CAPT Brad (40 D X)
24 Mar 17 UTC
Another insignificant dead white guy. We need more insignificant dead liberals
pastoralan (100 D)
24 Mar 17 UTC
@orathaic: here's a true story.

One of my roommates decidhoed to read "Beyond Good and Evil." Another roommate thought Nietzsche would be a bad influence on him, so she stole his copy of the book, saying "anyway, how can he complain?"
Thanks for the education on human rights ;-). That was me lazily speaking, although some classical liberals do seem to have notions of human rights (e.g. Locke obviously). But even if you don't speak in right language as many wouldn't have, they seem to have positions that suggest related understandings of what being human entails. Also if you read the stuff on herrenvolk ethics you'll see that. I really dislike classical liberal thoughts and agree that it's a smoke screen

@ ora. beyond good and evil is an interesting choice to read. enjoy.
orathaic (1009 D (B))
24 Mar 17 UTC
@SD The cover looks really pretty...

I'm not sure what to make of Nietzsche, but i feel he's gotten a rather weird nihilistic association, when from the little i've seen of his philosophy he was predicting nihilism but warning against it... And is seen by some as a proto-existentialist. Which might gel well with my current set of beliefs.


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Zollern (100 D)
23 Mar 17 UTC
what happens if two adjacent armies move into each other's spaces?
what happens if two adjacent armies move into each other's spaces? Is that a bounce or do they just move past each other?
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MyxIsMe (511 D)
23 Mar 17 UTC
World Gunboat
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=194417

Want to join.. or nah?
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Hauta (1618 D (S))
23 Mar 17 UTC
Elmo gets laid off video
I'm thinking that the voice in the background laying him off is David Cross, right?

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/03/20/elmo-fired-trump-viral-video-after-pbs-budget-cuts
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orathaic (1009 D (B))
16 Mar 17 UTC
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Glenn Greenwald on the deep state
Is the power of the deep state more dangerous than the Trump administration? https://m.townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2017/02/21/glenn-greenwald-what-the-deep-state-is-doing-to-trump-is-a-prescription-for-destroying-democracy-n2288815
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Claesar (2654 D Mod)
22 Mar 17 UTC
Please comment on my moves
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=194472

I'd appreciate any tips and comments on my play (Italy). I'll explain my rationale tomorrow.
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Hauta (1618 D (S))
15 Mar 17 UTC
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Should America make Russia our
http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2017/03/15/ann-coulter-lets-make-russia-sister-country/

Coulter's logic seems to be that if the Dems don't like Russia, then Russia must be good. btw, Dems are against AIDS too.
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Carebear (100 D)
20 Mar 17 UTC
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Suggestion: Full Press Communication Games Creation Option
One can always password games. But, it has limitations. What about tracking players communication levels in Full Press games? Assign a Press Level to each player based on amount of communication. Then, add a creation option to Full Press games for a minimum Press Level.
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Hauta (1618 D (S))
21 Mar 17 UTC
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Acting AG Dana Boente is gonna have hell to pay tomorrow
Dana Boente, Obama holdover who is acting AG because Jeff Sessions recused himself is the guy who authorized James Comey to disclose that the Trumpov Team is under investigation for ties to Russia. Did not see that coming!
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Peregrine Falcon (2051 D (B))
20 Mar 17 UTC
Non-SoW Game
Stop being off-topic
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brainbomb (474 D)
22 Mar 17 UTC
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John Cena!
The purpose of this thread is just to appreciate everything that John Cena Mill was. His amazingly useful quotes specifically.
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Hauta (1618 D (S))
22 Mar 17 UTC
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How can I get some of that Putin money like Manafort?
What's it take to get on Putin's payroll? That guy pays a lot!
Just found out that Manafort owns an apartment at Trump Tower. I presume it's on a lower floor than Trump. Do the wires from Trump's penthouse travel through Manafort's level?
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brainbomb (474 D)
19 Mar 17 UTC
Is playing with snakes harder?
yo, i got a question.
am i the only one finding it extremely hard and frustrating playing with cobras?
i am not the most experienced snake charmer in the world, but ive had my share of snakes in my hands and reading on their scales.
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abgemacht (840 D (G))
09 Feb 17 UTC
webDip Player Map!
Post here with your City, Country, and Color Preference to be added to the map!
https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=zkz1OHicklqk.ky67Va8gNVi0
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Hauta (1618 D (S))
21 Mar 17 UTC
Treason depends on the definition of Enemy
Art III, Sec 3 of the Constitution defines treason, sort of. It depends on who an "Enemy" is. Back in the day when war was declared by Congress and peace was made by treaty, this was not a problem...
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JamesYanik (548 D)
20 Mar 17 UTC
Is This Bipartisan?
so conservatives don't like forcing taxes from people, and liberals like social programs. so, how do we fund social programs without taxes?
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lalaland (0 D X)
21 Mar 17 UTC
Greetings, join a live game if you inquire....
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=194403
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LeonWalras (402 D)
21 Mar 17 UTC
John Rawls!
The purpose of this thread is that if you knew everything about it, you'd be willing to enter it in a random place.
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orathaic (1009 D (B))
21 Mar 17 UTC
Economics of News
I know we touched on this in the Glenn Greenwald thread, but vox has a great youtube video about it...
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Ogion (4152 D)
17 Mar 17 UTC
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Meanwhile, massive coral die offs three decades early
While the genius Republicans are screaming "fake news" the real world (I.e., the planet Earth) is suffering hideous consequences from conservative stupidity.
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brainbomb (474 D)
21 Mar 17 UTC
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Tomi Lahren suspended from the Blaze for admitting shes Pro Choice
“You know what? I’m for limited government, so stay out of my guns, and you can stay out of my body as well."
The republican love affair with Tomi Lahren has met an awkward crossroads.
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The Ambassador (149 D)
20 Mar 17 UTC
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WebDip Hall of Fame covered on DiplomacyCast
Hi everyone, a new episode has (at last) dropped for the Diplomacy Games podcast...
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SeattleSlew (100 D)
21 Mar 17 UTC
Old and Slow
Anybody up for a classic 3 day phase game? I'd like to give this site a try
gameID=194359
Password: Graves
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dobreni (0 D X)
18 Mar 17 UTC
how do you think a team game wll be fair? how many teams ?
3 teams
1 Fr+En
2 Tr+Ru
3 It+Au+Ge
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2ndWhiteLine (2875 D (B))
15 Mar 17 UTC
GB 1 and 2
Since one game is stuck in pause purgatory and the other is an NMR ridden disaster, who wants to start a new round? No RR requirements but I have final say over who plays.
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gjdip (620 D)
20 Mar 17 UTC
Replacement needed F01
Russia NMR in S01. Replacement much appreciated. http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=194119.
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Fluminator (511 D)
20 Mar 17 UTC
Climate Change Denial
So recently I've been considering becoming a climate change denier. What are people's thoughts on this? What would be some pros and cons to becoming one?
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Crazy Anglican (172 D)
19 Mar 17 UTC
"Everyone show up for this school" EoG's
If you want to post here.
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Tastyjc7 (100 D X)
20 Mar 17 UTC
Join full web dip
I want people to join the game because it's no messaging and it's anonymous so it's just pure 1v1 with everyone! Let's see who is the best!
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