Or, to be fair, critics with unpleasant names. Not sure I know anyone in that category...

#alternativefacts

It's amazing isn't it. The left has proven countless times just recently that they care not a jot for the truth.

Yet they love to spout Bullshit stats whenever they think it's helps them destroy western civilization.

We're not buying your crap anymore, or ever again. I guess you didn't get that memo.

CAPT

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=3xGh

Unemployment peaked at 10% in October 2009, well into Obama's first term. If that's your definition of the "recovery" beginning under Bush, then I suggest taking your head out of your ass. Under Obama, the unemployment rate was cut by over 50% and continues to do so, seeing as Trump has passed zero policy initiatives and spent 25% of his presidency on a plane to and from Florida.

2WL, Brad was talking about the recession under Bush Sr., not the '08 crash.

fiedler:
"Yet they love to spout Bullshit stats whenever they think it's helps them destroy western civilization."

The stats I've given are perfectly solid. If you think otherwise, feel free to make an actual case instead of spewing bile at people with inconvenient opinions.

More in reference to the "1% related to Trump" refutation. SAD.

Bush Sr.? Unemployment didn't really start to decline until a couple of years into Clintons adminstration. It was 7.3% in january 1992 and 1993, and didn't drop to 5.6% until 1995.

True--unemployment lagged behind growth there. The recession proper was in 1991, but it continued to be felt for the next couple years after that.

hey while line did you not see the correction of your statement? of course not. always attack never acknowledge error. you must work for the new york times or AP news.

and some mental lightweight plus one'd the error.

He literally acknowledged my comment, Brad, and noted that he was talking about something else. I don't know what you were looking for.

Learn to read Brad. SAD!

Critics with unpleasant names
...did you call me Ogion ?.. Lol
Dear me, Lethologica and 2ndWL you should realise, and probably do realise that like Turniphead TrumpGod, who never misses an opportunity to respond to "inconvenient truths" and rational, fact based analysis, with exercises in "spewing bile" & slander; that his adoring acolytes will do the same.
The quote from Trump is interesting in itself..he believed he could shoot anyone in the middle of New York city and get away with it.. revealing his belief that he is "above the law", that he can act in a criminal way and it wouldn't stop his election. So he's encouraged a culture within his own organisation that criminality is acceptable. No wonder he and his criminal pal Putin get along so well.

(Psst. I was referring to myself!)

Yes learn to read like the topic which you liberals glommed onto and were not invited but crashed the party anyway

I don't see where he acknowledged the mistake you corrected letho

Literally the post after my correction, Brad.

And I haven't seen a word from you on the ostensible thread topic, so you don't have a leg to stand on criticizing anyone else for derailing the thread. If you'd like to discuss what it would take for Donald Trump to lose your support, though, be my guest.

If he would appoint someone like ogion to a post. That would toast my bread

@ND:

I am not at all interested in debating about whether Trump has broken promises or not. I'm asking you a question: what actions on Trump's part would lead YOU to decide that he had broken his promises to the American people?

@CAPT Brad and @fiedler: I would also like to hear from you about what it would take to change your mind on Trump.

I answered the question in my last post

And I've promised Pastoralan I won't comment on whatever you say

That's not a serious response, Brad.

@Capt_Brad: I'm not seeing it.

Yeah Capt Brad. You're on trial and must explain yourself!

Yes yes it is serious as serious as the original question is sincere

You see i am on to you trying to bait supporters like those leftist thugs baited supporters during the campaign.

So take your thug life and make a vine and then castrate your self

*shrug* I saw 10x better responses from the random people Sam Altman interviewed, but if you'd rather throw a hissy fit, that's your prerogative. I think it should be clear from my initial comments in this thread that my interest, at least, was sincere.

My interest in this is simple. A democracy only stands as long as the people are willing to defend it. We are the ones who have to hold our leaders accountable for their actions. So what bothers me most about Trump is his belief that he won't be held accountable for his actions--that his supporters would continue to support him while he destroyed our democracy. A lot of liberals are firmly convinced that he's right, but I thought I would try something unusual and actually ask Trump supporters directly.