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CommanderByron (801 D(S))
23 Aug 14 UTC
Join if you hate or love me
gameID=146471
FAE 1 day phase 25 point buy in.

If you hate me and you know it come lose your points.
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
24 Aug 14 UTC
Replacement Opportunity
gameID=144344 needs a replacement French player. Good chance at a solo with some careful maneuvering.
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JamesYanik (548 D)
24 Aug 14 UTC
1 MORE ANC MED
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ssorenn (0 DX)
23 Aug 14 UTC
Being a stand up ally!!!
I know diplomacy was originally designed as a game to win, but this site and the points and GR seemed to have changed the way you can look at the game.
How do people feel about being a good ally? For example, 5 player left in a game m and 3 are on one side while two are on the other. It's pretty much a stalemate unless one of the sides is willing to stab the other. Should one always stab, or is there something to be said about being a good ally to the end?

Discuss--
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
22 Aug 14 UTC
Alcohol prohibition in Kerala
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-28892073

Now where have we seen that tried and failed ...... grow up India.
Ever considered the reason why there seems to be a problem is because people like drinking alcohol and that's why the ban won't work dickheads
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micahbales (1397 D)
23 Aug 14 UTC
American Empire Anomaly
Howdy folks,

I've noticed that all the Fall of the American Empire IV games are either extremely fast (5 minute rounds) or extremely slow (3 day rounds). Could anyone explain the apparent disinterest in 1-day-round games for this variant?
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brora (100 D)
23 Aug 14 UTC
Really Noobish Question
How long does a pieces have to be on an SC to claim it?
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OuFeRRaT (1126 D)
23 Aug 14 UTC
Saturday Live Ancient
fancy a 50 D live (5 min) no messaging ancient variant game?
gameID=146459
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jimbursch (100 D)
23 Aug 14 UTC
Support hold for unit that is not just holding
There's something that I'm not totally clear on.
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A_Tin_Can (2234 D)
23 Aug 14 UTC
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AEST live game 9am tomorrow morning?
Living in Australia, it's hard to get in to many live games. Would there be interest in a Sunday morning AEST live game tomorrow? (that's the east coast of Australia for those playing at home).
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tendmote (100 D(B))
22 Aug 14 UTC
internal criticism
What are your views on "internal criticism", as introduced here:

http://webdiplomacy.net/forum.php?threadID=1175891#1176008
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
22 Aug 14 UTC
Linux or Windows server?
Does it matter if the price is the same?
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KingCyrus (511 D)
20 Aug 14 UTC
American Citizen beheaded by ISIS/IS
See below.

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CommanderByron (801 D(S))
22 Aug 14 UTC
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A guide to not being gullible
I am playing a game currently where a player is believing that his "ally" won't stab him even though his ally is well on their way to a solo and the gullible player is tied up fighting me. I am trying to organize against the solo threat but gullible prevails. Any tips for gullible players?
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trip (696 D(B))
22 Aug 14 UTC
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Lusthog Squad-8
Austria, please take down your draw vote.
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Jamiet99uk (1307 D)
21 Aug 14 UTC
All foetuses with Down's Syndrome should be killed before birth.
"It's immoral to bring them into the world"

That's the opinion of Richard Dawkins - and possibly a somewhat controversial opinion at that.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-ouch-28879659
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
22 Aug 14 UTC
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Oh right I forgot I have to rally around the blackguard Dawkins just because he isn't right-wing.

There are things other than politics my man.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
22 Aug 14 UTC
"Obi just to pull you up a little can you, hopefully concisely, explain to me what you think Dawkins meant by these words: ''It would be immoral to bring it into the world if you have the choice.''"

That it would be immoral to bring a life into the world that's doomed to suffer a severely life-hindering condition such as Down Syndrome for their entire life if you have the chance to not do so and thereby not subject someone ELSE to that suffering?

"And, just to correct a possible misunderstanding on your part, Downs is a genetic but not an inherited condition. these words of yours might suggest otherwise...Unless you meant something else by your use of the verb ''perpetuate'', if so could you please explain?"

I do know it's genetic and not chronic/inherited...

By "perpetuate," I mean precisely what Google spits out for you as a definition:

"make (something, typically an undesirable situation or an unfounded belief) continue indefinitely."

Down Syndrome is certainly an undesirable situation/condition (I think we can all agree to that...and I mean "undesirable" here in the sense that you literally would not desire it for yourself or others, NOT in the sense that having it makes on an Undesirable in the caste-system sense) and I do not wish it to continue...

And you could cease its continuation--or go a long way towards doing so--by aborting fetuses that show they will suffer from the condition.

If you abort 100% of fetuses that show they are guaranteed to suffer from the condition--and let's be as fair as possible and say that we're only aborting fetuses that show their DS will be severe and life-altering, as there ARE different levels of DS and many high-functioning DS patients lead perfectly-normal, healthy lives free of most suffering--then you will have 0 cases of severe DS, yes?

You will have no more future severe DS cases as a result, save those that would arise from future fetuses, which would themselves presumably be aborted were we to do this?

It's eliminating a condition, NOT eliminating a race, after all...

If they found the cure tomorrow and could ensure from August 23 2014 onward that no fetus would ever have the genetic issues that cause DS, then they'll have effectively wiped out DS and, in a way, "aborted" any DS fetuses which may have arisen in potensia.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
22 Aug 14 UTC
"Actually, if those families knew there was a risk of Down's syndrome, and had the baby anyway, Dawkins position appears to be that their decision to *not* to abort the foetus was "immoral". Unless Dawkins' moral judgement *only* applies in future cases because he has the capacity to establish new moral codes each time he tweets."

1. Who's saying he's establishing a new moral code? O.o He gave his opinion and ONLY left it as his opinion, he hardly framed it as one of Ten New Commandments or anything which must be obeyed.

2. Yes, they would then fall under the purview of his statement, but I still don't think they're the intended target of that statement.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
22 Aug 14 UTC
"Because he didn't simply offer advice in that one instance - he made a claim that to act other than according to his advice would be "immoral"."

So?

That's STILL just giving advice...you may claim his advice was strongly-worded or searing in nature, but as he was asked advice on a moral question, it makes sense that he'd frame his answer in terms of moral/immoral, yes?

He said, in his view, acting other than his advice would be immoral, he never said "Thou Shalt Abort DS Fetuses" and promise to punish you to the third and fourth generation if you did otherwise.
tendmote (100 D(B))
22 Aug 14 UTC
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obiwanobiwan please edit what you write! This:

"If you abort 100% of fetuses that show they are guaranteed to suffer from the condition--and let's be as fair as possible and say that we're only aborting fetuses that show their DS will be severe and life-altering, as there ARE different levels of DS and many high-functioning DS patients lead perfectly-normal, healthy lives free of most suffering--then you will have 0 cases of severe DS, yes?

You will have no more future severe DS cases as a result, save those that would arise from future fetuses, which would themselves presumably be aborted were we to do this?"

Is very nearly a tautology... if every Down's syndrome fetus is aborted, then no one with Down's syndrome will be born. It could be summarized as:

""

I'm having trouble getting through all your words like that.
fulhamish (4134 D)
22 Aug 14 UTC
So obi the logical extension of your argument is that those DS people alive now are here because their parents made the immoral decision of not terminating their foetal life through abortion. Do you honestly think that their take on the matter is that it would be preferable if they hadn't have been born? I dare you to ask them that question.
fulhamish (4134 D)
22 Aug 14 UTC
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At obi what else would you define as "undesirable". A great many abortions, for example, are carried out on what the parents perceive as undesirable females - gendercide, if you like. A smaller number are, for example, carried out because of cleft palettes. The founder of PP was a racist who thought abortion would help with the "coloured" problem and indeed in terms of the racial prevelance of abortion, so it has turned out in the USA. Just some of many similar examples.

I am afraid that I view your support of Dawkins' crass remarks in this light. Who the hell is Dawkins to define which births are desirable and which undesirable, which are moral and which are immoral.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
22 Aug 14 UTC
"Do you honestly think that their take on the matter is that it would be preferable if they hadn't have been born? I dare you to ask them that question."

I think it'd have been preferable if they hadn't been born WITH DS...

"what else would you define as "undesirable"."

...I don't even understand that one? I defined desirable already...?

"A great many abortions, for example, are carried out on what the parents perceive as undesirable females - gendercide, if you like."

Are you really saying that it's morally equivalent to abort because of, say, a One Child Policy as opposed to aborting because you don't want to give birth to a life that is doomed to suffering?

"The founder of PP was a racist who thought abortion would help with the "coloured" problem and indeed in terms of the racial prevelance of abortion, so it has turned out in the USA."

If we're going to throw out institutions and inventions founded by racist individuals or with questionable motives, then we can just throw out everything from the car to the Constitution.

"Who the hell is Dawkins to define which births are desirable and which undesirable, which are moral and which are immoral."

Who the hell are you or I or anyone to do so, by that reasoning?

He was asked a question, he gave his opinion--

AGAIN, he's NOT saying this is a commandment, or a legislative one at that.

If you can prove to me that he said there should, say, be some sort of law mandating abortion in such an instance, then I'll agree with you--that's going too far.'

As long as it's just him giving his opinion on the murky question of morality in what is a lose-lose situation here, I see no problem with him giving that opinion, regardless of how much I or anyone else agree or disagree with it.

Unless you can give me proof that he'd like to see his moral ideal made legislation and law, it's simply a moral ideal a la Plato, and NOT Plato's Republic actually made a state-sponsored reality.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
22 Aug 14 UTC
As a short side note on that ideal/legislative reality thing--

I've said repeatedly here that I can still enjoy dozens of somewhat Antisemitic or bigoted writers, musicians and artists despite their beliefs, so long as they are just that--beliefs. I like to try and find something redeemable about my heroes (I think there are some elements and specific lines in "The Merchant of Venice" which are sympathetic to Jews, and I can at least respect T.S. Eliot's decision to leave Jews alone in his poetry and essays later in life and after WWII) but that's always up for debate--

You may not think that cuts it for Eliot, or that Shakespeare's plays are still more racist, sexist, and Antisemitic than not (I'd argue that on the sexism charge, at least, there's a pretty strong argument in favor of the Bard given the sheer amount and diverse nature of his female protagonists who save the day/wield great power in both his tragedies AND comedies, especially in his post "Romeo and Juliet" works, ie, his mature years, but I digress.)

And that's perfectly fine.

We can debate it either way, but even if I lost the debate, neither Eliot or Shakespeare nor any such similar author/artist/musician/etc. would be invalidated by just holding or expressing a belief I disagree with, even if it's bigoted by our standards, and even if it hurts or saddens me personally.

THE *ONLY* TIME THAT'S *NOT* THE CASE is if such a figure tries to take those views and in some way IMPOSE THEM on others, thereby causing ACTUAL hurt.

I've cited my two (and really only two) examples of this for me numerous times:

Richard Wagner and Ezra Pound.

To me--and you're free to disagree, I know folks do--their offense here is so rank that while their genius remains intact, I simply can't read or listen to them with enjoyment, and the ethos of their works are invalidated to an extent to me...

NOT just because they were Antisemites, since I just listed Shakespeare and Eliot who were, to varying degrees, Antisemitic or at least very complicated on that issue, but because they tried, in one form or another, to make their hatred of Jews into a legalized, real kind of hatred to hurt real, living people...

Wagner by calling for the expulsion of Jews from musical professions and arguably by extension from European society itself (and we'll spare him the Nazi connection...we can argue whether or not that's "his fault," but it's redundant here since Wagner wrote pamphlets and materials against the Jews trying to push them out himself)...

And Pound by calling for their deaths and writing for Mussolini and supporting the greater Axis effort during WWII (and just for schnicks and giggles, STILL supporting that view even after the war.)

Dawkins isn't doing that, fulhamish.

He's not pushing for actual, tangible legislation against actual, flesh and blood people.

He's making an abstract, theoretical argument on the ethics and morality of abortion and disease...

And you may well disagree with him, which is fine, and even good in a sense, as it promotes debate, in the way a good play or poem can...

But Richard Dawkins is NOT going the Wagner/Pound route of going from belief to IMPOSING that belief and its implication upon others.
Putin33 (111 D)
22 Aug 14 UTC
It's a sad day when Obi makes more sense than the rest of you.

It's a really sad day.


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jimbursch (100 D)
22 Aug 14 UTC
How does pause work?
I see a vote "pause" button. How does that work? I need a definition for the glossary I'm working on:
http://jimbursch.com/webDiplomacy/glossary.php
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semck83 (229 D(B))
22 Aug 14 UTC
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There are currently 11111 active players!
That is all.
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fulhamish (4134 D)
21 Aug 14 UTC
Climate consensus?
or not?
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murraysheroes (526 D(B))
19 Aug 14 UTC
Are you a bit older? Don't have the oppressive need for instant gratification?
I'm looking to start a classic game with 3-5 day phases. I'm currently thinking about a 100+ point buy-in, but I can definitely bend on that. I only ask that you be able to explain any CDs on your record as either a live game or some sort of extenuating circumstance. Anyone interested?
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2ndWhiteLine (2736 D(B))
20 Aug 14 UTC
Best Movie Scene Ever
Quint's USS Indianapolis speech. Don't try to argue, no other scene in any movie comes close.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9S41Kplsbs
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
13 Aug 14 UTC
Ferguson
http://mic.com/articles/95998/days-after-michael-brown-s-death-ferguson-looks-like-a-war-zone?utm_source=policymicTBLR&utm_medium=main&utm_campaign=social

Race riots. Ironic too that they're happening in St. Louis, one of the only cities that didn't have much violence back in the 60s. The police couldn't resist.
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ssorenn (0 DX)
19 Aug 14 UTC
looking for a full press wta 24 hour game
Who's in?
WTA,24 hour anon,50pt
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SandgooseXXI (113 D)
20 Aug 14 UTC
Marine corps officer reserve
Anybody have any knowledge about this? I was thinking of joining but don't know many of the requirements. The marines page doesn't provide much. Just curious if anyone here took that path.
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Balrog (219 D)
20 Aug 14 UTC
Convoying a Retreating unit
Suppose an English army unit is at Holland and is attacked by German unit from Kiel with support from Ruhr and Belgium. In normal case it is forced to disband because it doesn't have anywhere to retreat to.
But what if we allow the English fleet at north sea to convoy the retreating army unit to some place; say Edinburgh?
Is this feasible? If yes, then how will it affect the game overall?
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Sherincall (338 D)
18 Aug 14 UTC
Four CDs and a funeral
What's the right approach when a player refuses to draw?
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mapleleaf (0 DX)
12 Aug 14 UTC
Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers are touring.
Steve Winwood is opening. Good setlists about four shows in. Anybody see them yet or about to.
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jimbursch (100 D)
20 Aug 14 UTC
Diplomacy group formed in Los Angeles
Hello Dip enthusiasts! If you are in southern California, check the new L.A. Diplomacy group that is forming:
http://www.meetup.com/Diplomacy-Players-of-Los-Angeles/
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
22 Jul 14 UTC
Anyone needs some webdesign?
I was going to do some webdesign for someone to earn some money in the holidays, but that project apparently got sort of cancelled and it's a bit late to apply for a holiday job now I think, so I'm offering my services again.. See first reply for what I can do. I copied it from the last time I advertised, in case anyone recognizes it.
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Jamiet99uk (1307 D)
04 Aug 14 UTC
WWI
Exactly 100 years ago, Britain declared war on Germany.
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