Don't give in, CA. He's a fucktard begging you not to hurt him anymore. He wouldn't do that if he knew you couldn't lay waste to all his claims.

I'm still waiting for Gavrilop to enlighten us with some vital answers to life's great questions. He obviously has some pretty strong ideas about how much other people's views suck, but he hasn't said much about what *he* believes.

So, Gavrilop. You're an expert on right and wrong, good and evil, right? You feel pretty comfortable labeling other people as "sick", "morally depraved", and "hypocrite". You must be pretty confident that your measure of morality is accurate and worthy of emulation. Tell us all, what do you mean by "good" or "evil"? Are these objective realities, or your personal opinions? Where did you discover your standards of right and wrong? Are there scientific studies that have shown what is good and what is evil? Are there some books, philosophers, or other historical figures who influenced you? Why specifically are lying and hypocrisy "wrong"?

Come now, join us all in the free market of ideas. Set out your wares and let us peruse them. In the absence of better options we'll likely continue buying the tatty old rubbish we're used to.

It wasn't really my intent to hurt him in the first place. Got carried away with witty retorts and ended up putting my own principles aside for a point. We already know how I feel about that. It isn't worth it.

> Earlier, you simply stated that Christians believe in Hell as being eternal, did you not?

No, Draugnar, I did not. You must be misremembering that.

> But we are supposed to say outrageous things and not care what others think, right? Didn't you say something to that effect?

That would be a misunderstanding.

> So which is it? Do we get to say anything we want?

Uh, I think people should try to speak accurately, and I've never said differently.

Actually, you have said differently. Every time you say "no one should teach hell exists" you are saying that people should either misonform others or not speak at all. Because hell exists.

I pm'd Gavrilop, and told him I've muted him. He doesn't need to worry about my responses to him.

FlemGem, the positive discussion here, before it became a fight, was on the existence of Hell. I gave reasons for thinking it doesn't exist. The interesting parts (that is, those which weren't just a fight) were with seth, bo_sox and myself. You can go read them if you like.

Please enlighten as to what those reasons were. I saw two: You said God told you it didn't back when you believed in him (being a punk ass seemed to suit you until you got called on the carpet for it) and then tried to say the Jewas didn't believe so it must not exist (as if Jewish authority, a people who believe in the same God you deny exists, were the final say in Hells existence). Did you have more? Would you repost them now, please?

gav - I did read those parts. I noticed, as did Draugnar, that you said that God told you hell didn't exist back when you believed in God. I found it a bit odd that you used as evidence something told you by a non-existent source - it seemed a bit out of character for your usual rigorous rationalism. I actually chipped in a bit on that conversation before it devolved into quibbling over who said what and whether they implied it or hinted at it, etc.

I'm now quite intrigued: you once believed in God, to the extent of talking to and hearing from him...but now you don't believe. What gives? (Or was your comment tongue in cheek?)

He was just being an asshat, Flem. Nothing new for Gav.

Asshat. Haven't heard that one for awhile. Used to be everyone's favorite insult back when I was playing Cybernations. Speaking of which, did/does anyone else here play cybernations?

It's so EASY to join!

Heh, not at all trying to get anyone to join a game I haven't played in years. Not even sure if the game is still going. Just wondered if any old allies or enemies were around. Cybernations would have suited the personalities and interests of quite a few webdippers.

Rick Perry, responding to the abortion bill: "In Texas, we all value life."

This quote said, of course, 12 hours before Texas' 500th execution.

Please, Catholic people, Christian people, whatever, tell me that this guy is not the kind of Christian I should use to judge others off of...

"Rick Perry, responding to the abortion bill: "In Texas, we all value life."

This quote said, of course, 12 hours before Texas' 500th execution.

Please, Catholic people, Christian people, whatever, tell me that this guy is not the kind of Christian I should use to judge others off of..."

Well considering he failed to get enough popular support, from his own base in the GOP primary, to run for president. I think you're safe there;-)