Can you support another player into your own territory?

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Can you support another player into your own territory?

#1 Post by Zach0805 » Fri Aug 30, 2019 5:26 pm

Title pretty much explains everything
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Re: Can you support another player into your own territory?

#2 Post by yavuzovic » Fri Aug 30, 2019 5:57 pm

Yes, unless you have an extra unit there.
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Re: Can you support another player into your own territory?

#3 Post by CptMike » Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:09 pm

I do that each type I play...
I hope other players support so.

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Re: Can you support another player into your own territory?

#4 Post by Mercy » Fri Aug 30, 2019 7:10 pm

Yes, you can, but you cannot help to dislodge your own units. For example, suppose you have a fleet in the North Sea and you support a fleet to North Sea from Edinburgh with a fleet in London. If your fleet in the North Sea fails to move out of it, it will not be dislodged and the attack from Edinburgh will fail. However, if an enemy tries to move to North Sea from Holland with support of Belgium, he won't succeed either, because the attack strength from Holland equals that of Edinburgh.
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Re: Can you support another player into your own territory?

#5 Post by BunnyGo » Sat Aug 31, 2019 7:55 pm

Yes you can. See the most recent move in this game for an example.

England moved Spain to Marseilles. I supported him in from Burgundy.

https://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=243546

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Re: Can you support another player into your own territory?

#6 Post by BunnyGo » Sat Aug 31, 2019 7:58 pm

BunnyGo wrote:
Sat Aug 31, 2019 7:55 pm
Yes you can. See the most recent move in this game for an example.

England moved Spain to Marseilles. I supported him in from Burgundy.

https://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=243546
For future reference: Spring 1916

I knew the answer and did the move just to prove it here.

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Re: Can you support another player into your own territory?

#7 Post by BunnyGo » Sat Aug 31, 2019 7:58 pm

Mercy wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 7:10 pm
Yes, you can, but you cannot help to dislodge your own units. For example, suppose you have a fleet in the North Sea and you support a fleet to North Sea from Edinburgh with a fleet in London. If your fleet in the North Sea fails to move out of it, it will not be dislodged and the attack from Edinburgh will fail. However, if an enemy tries to move to North Sea from Holland with support of Belgium, he won't succeed either, because the attack strength from Holland equals that of Edinburgh.
This is not correct.

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Re: Can you support another player into your own territory?

#8 Post by BunnyGo » Sat Aug 31, 2019 7:59 pm

yavuzovic wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 5:57 pm
Yes, unless you have an extra unit there.
Also not correct.

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Re: Can you support another player into your own territory?

#9 Post by Ezio » Sat Aug 31, 2019 8:24 pm

BunnyGo wrote:
Sat Aug 31, 2019 7:58 pm
Mercy wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 7:10 pm
Yes, you can, but you cannot help to dislodge your own units. For example, suppose you have a fleet in the North Sea and you support a fleet to North Sea from Edinburgh with a fleet in London. If your fleet in the North Sea fails to move out of it, it will not be dislodged and the attack from Edinburgh will fail. However, if an enemy tries to move to North Sea from Holland with support of Belgium, he won't succeed either, because the attack strength from Holland equals that of Edinburgh.
This is not correct.
Mercy is absolutely 100% correct.

You posted a counterexample where Spain attacks MAR in spring 1916, and you supported it with BUR. What you missed is that same army was supported by GoL. Your support was input, but did not affect the displacement of your own unit.
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Re: Can you support another player into your own territory?

#10 Post by Ezio » Sat Aug 31, 2019 8:25 pm

see previous post. Misclicked quote instead of edit.

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Re: Can you support another player into your own territory?

#11 Post by BunnyGo » Sat Aug 31, 2019 10:01 pm

Ezio wrote:
Sat Aug 31, 2019 8:24 pm
BunnyGo wrote:
Sat Aug 31, 2019 7:58 pm
Mercy wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 7:10 pm
Yes, you can, but you cannot help to dislodge your own units. For example, suppose you have a fleet in the North Sea and you support a fleet to North Sea from Edinburgh with a fleet in London. If your fleet in the North Sea fails to move out of it, it will not be dislodged and the attack from Edinburgh will fail. However, if an enemy tries to move to North Sea from Holland with support of Belgium, he won't succeed either, because the attack strength from Holland equals that of Edinburgh.
This is not correct.
Mercy is absolutely 100% correct.

You posted a counterexample where Spain attacks MAR in spring 1916, and you supported it with BUR. What you missed is that same army was supported by GoL. Your support was input, but did not affect the displacement of your own unit.
You are correct. And I am not. I was so sure I was I went to check the adjudicator. Test case 6.D.13 is this one.

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