MAFIA 48 -The Gladiator- GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[e.m.c^42]

I don't think it's even worth to address this but can't just let it pass.
Of course I am biased, but when people start to say I could be bussing and then both Xorxes and emc subtly started to shadow me it strike me as odd and I called them on it.

Even I found it odd lol

[worcej]

I'm concerned with the number of people that seem to be actively pushing a lurker lynch, it just seems like an easy way for scum to park.

Maybe the scumteam is feeling pressured now?

My problem is that if you review the previous games you find that there is always a lurking scum in the mix. As I said previously, there are a few people who can lead and also be scum, but those people are few and far between.

[rdrivera2005]

The fact that no one is seeing just how bad Percy has been baffles me.

How has he been bad as opposed to absent?

Lack of everything basically. No reads, no opinions, no cases, lame voting, hedgey comments, weak defenses. There is just nothing there.

Percy voted Demon D1 and Chaqa D2. Of course this is NAI, but indicates that he is probably detached from the game (either as town or scum) and not scum just coasting. Compare this with what Flash and Chaqa did last game. It's almost a coin flip lynching him.

[e.m.c^42]

Yuuki does have a point in Percy being a bit lackluster, even if this is similar enough to his normal game, but it doesn't necessarily mean scummy? idk, it strikes me that if he randed scum he'd be a lot more excited?

[worcej]

I'm concerned with the number of people that seem to be actively pushing a lurker lynch, it just seems like an easy way for scum to park.

Maybe the scumteam is feeling pressured now?

essentially, all the people pushing for a Percy or Temas wagon? or maybe Ike earlier

I don't think we've talked yet this game, let's remedy that (worcej chaqa, you too :D)

I am struggling to find words to interact with you. It seems like you suddenly care about Mafia again, but for the longest time you did not. Your stated reason is... a reason... but kinda weird not gunna lie.

[worcej]

Updated reads:

Carambola: 80% scum. There's always a lurker scum. In this case it's either Percy, emc or Carambola, but I wouldn't be shocked if it's two of them. One of the three is likely the Emperor since it is a role that is best suited to laying low and garnering little pressure to work things from the sidelines.

I strongly believe Yuuki is Town, but I also think he's completely wrong. I can't speak for Carambola, but It is in no way unusual for EMC or I to lurk. (I feel like I'm at an AA meeting confessing I'm a lurker).
Tl dr;
Town Yuuki: hmmmmmmm... EMC and Percy are lurking... definitely Scum! This game is easy.

It’s not just lurking, but also the lack of decent content that has me voting you.

[worcej]

I Townread:
Jamiet
Yuuki
That new Cara guy
Vapourwave
If these guys are scum, I give up.

Giving up would require you to actually be pushing and trying. So far you are mostly watching the game.

[worcej]

He didn't, which was shocking.

What was the issue with Chaqa's post?

Mechanically, he was correct. If there is a challenge in the first 24hrs of the day, then the day will contain two lynches.

I want Worcej to respond to this.

He said gladiator not gladiators.

[Vecna]

Yuuki does have a point in Percy being a bit lackluster, even if this is similar enough to his normal game, but it doesn't necessarily mean scummy? idk, it strikes me that if he randed scum he'd be a lot more excited?

The fact youre actually trying to push this logic, while any town poe pool at this point should have at least 1-2 lurkers in them that are not doing jack shit compared to their usual play....

[Jamiet99uk]

I Townread:
Jamiet
Yuuki
That new Cara guy
Vapourwave
If these guys are scum, I give up.

Give us your top four scumreads, Percy. Right now.

[worcej]

My thoughts upon reading up:

The massclaim is stupid because we don't know if Vapor is telling the truth. Sorry, but the gladiators are critical to protect and I know it's my schtick to always doubt people, but I struggle to find why Vapor was stabbed. What did he reveal, if anywhere, that he is a valuable gladiator? I've seen nothing myself. I think town!Vecna would not overlook this personally, so I am a little skeptical at him pushing for these claims and just believing Vapor. I struggle to do this because he is being very distant and reluctant in his posts when sharing that information is critical to town.

Where does Vecna say his mass claim idea is dependent on Vapor being a particular role?

Where does Vaporwave make a "valuable" Gladiator claim?

Where does Vecna refer to such a claim being made?

Either Worcej has misunderstood something here, or I have.

You have.

1. He didn’t, that is my own analysis.
2. My point is I don’t see it, so why did the scum stab him? They only get one stab.
3. Not sure if he does, again my own analysis.

[worcej]

I think we should NOT massclaim until Vapor and Chaqa resolved. That is not before day 4.

And here is the failure in Chaqa's logic. Good job Damo for pointing it out before I had to.

Agreeing with a bad post makes you a bad person.

Also, it just feels extremely scum motivated when people that normally dont wanna have a fucknig thing to do with mechanics and grand pictures game solving suddenly are so opinionated.

Are you implying I did not want to discuss mechanics? Where did I state that this game?

[worcej]

I think it ought to happen today, or not at all.

If scum can have a little moment to discuss it during the night, it loses a lot of its appeal.

There is a certain way this can play out, but it can certainly just turn into a meh-fest if scum play it properly

Why does it matter now versus D4? Scum are going to coordinate how exactly?

Coordinate who needs to claim what, to have a plan to move forward, how to deal with avoiding town auto-win situations.

Seriously, if you cannot see these type of obvious things, you really should refrain from trying to push a strong opinion on these matters.

There is no names. They will all just claim VT and one may grab survivor.

Sure, you narrow it down to 8 people, but you expose our PRs in the process.

[Jamiet99uk]

What was the issue with Chaqa's post?

Mechanically, he was correct. If there is a challenge in the first 24hrs of the day, then the day will contain two lynches.

I want Worcej to respond to this.

He said gladiator not gladiators.

Ohhhhhhhhhh.

@CHAQA: HOW MANY GLADIATORS ARE THERE ON YOUR TEAM?

[worcej]

@Vecna - the idea makes sense once we confirm the stab is done. But Vapor has been sketchy as shit with wanting to share info this game, which doesn’t make sense if he is town.

[worcej]

worcej mentioning so much my stab feels like him trying to delay discussion 'we gotta wait til vapor flips'

also he's been very skeptical when I softed what happened during N1, he's basically saying he thinks jailor wasn't used at all in order for me to fakeclaim 2 nights in a row

What does that have to do with drawing gladiators out? I never asked for challenges like Chaqa

worcej is full of baloney, he's been trying to make sure people won't clear me and still keep me as suspect even when I was jailed and stabbed

Why did you get stabbed Vapor? Why would scum use their only extra kill on you?

I cannot find a reason for you to be double jailed and also stabbed. Help me understand why so I can drink the koolaid of clearing you for this day.

[Vecna]

maybe tem is the jailer? Or some other high probably lynchtarget?

[Vecna]

You know whats weird? Worcej has that little online flag over his name, but his name doesnt show up at the bottom.

[yuuki]

To everybody saying the only case against Percy is that he is lurking please read his ISO.

D1 he just basically keeps promising he is going to be gold or beter this game and then he just gives excuses for why he hasn't. He promises a reads list that he still has yet to give.

D2 he does nothing. Nothing!

D3 he posts very weak defenses by basically saying he cannot be pressured to be active and that his absence is unrelated to the game. The question here is why are his posts whenever present so bad? He has written a lot more than Carambola and posted a lot more, yet he has much less content.

Summary:
Half his posts are jokes. The other half are him just saying things that have happened without actually saying what he thinks those things mean. He has been the hedgiest, most useless townie, and on top of that has parked his vote both days on town and disappeared (Demon who we now know is town and on Chaqa who is alleged town unless we get a CC).

[Vecna]

eh, browsing other forums. nm