Mafia 41 - Sid Meiers Civilizaton Mafia - Official Game Thread

[Nephthys]

@bozo, you made your claim of vikings 37 minutes after you first posted after EOD. Why wait so long when there was information that was valuable to town?

[bozotheclown]

So Bozo claims Vikings / Tracker.

This however could be a fakeclaim.

@Nethpys: Why are you acting as if you are townclear? You are not.

What is the point of this question? It seems quite clear to me that most people are only considering bozo/fox. I may not have been mechanically TC but it seems as though I may as well have been.

We can lynch damo D6, and Jamie and DemonRHK will very likely be the NKs since they are clear, so you will probably have the deciding vote D7.

[bozotheclown]

@bozo, you made your claim of vikings 37 minutes after you first posted after EOD. Why wait so long when there was information that was valuable to town?

I was waiting to see if anything was claimed that I could prove false, but then damo confirmed worcej as the SK.

[Nephthys]

So Bozo claims Vikings / Tracker.

This however could be a fakeclaim.

@Nethpys: Why are you acting as if you are townclear? You are not.

What is the point of this question? It seems quite clear to me that most people are only considering bozo/fox. I may not have been mechanically TC but it seems as though I may as well have been.

We can lynch damo D6, and Jamie and DemonRHK will very likely be the NKs since they are clear, so you will probably have the deciding vote D7.

Exactly, then why tf is Jamie questioning why I'm acting like town.

I legit probably put more thought into the mass claim shit than most of the people did this game.

[bozotheclown]

What is the point of this question? It seems quite clear to me that most people are only considering bozo/fox. I may not have been mechanically TC but it seems as though I may as well have been.

We can lynch damo D6, and Jamie and DemonRHK will very likely be the NKs since they are clear, so you will probably have the deciding vote D7.

Exactly, then why tf is Jamie questioning why I'm acting like town.

I legit probably put more thought into the mass claim shit than most of the people did this game.

Jamie may be concerned Foxcastle and I are two town suspecting each other. From my point of view it is possible, but I am confident Foxcastle is scum.

[bozotheclown]

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Ancient Era -> Mafia Goon
Classical Era -> Mafia Goon
Medieval Era -> Mafia Goon
Renaissance Era -> Mafia Goon
Exploration Era -> watcher
Industrial Era -> 1 shot BP
Atomic Era -> informant
Modern Era -> Role Cop
Future Era -> Strongman

I assume the America "1 shot BP" power D6/N6 does not apply to lynches. If not, we could go for America D6 when we still have 3 town.

[peterlund]

Bot is up again.

[brainbomb]

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[Jamiet99uk]

##CALL GM

Can you answer my commuter question?

It was:

If the Role Cop scans the Commuter when the Commuter has commuted, what result do they get?

[Jamiet99uk]

So Bozo claims Vikings / Tracker.

This however could be a fakeclaim.

@Nethpys: Why are you acting as if you are townclear? You are not.

What is the point of this question? It seems quite clear to me that most people are only considering bozo/fox. I may not have been mechanically TC but it seems as though I may as well have been.

No you may not as well have be.

You are still under suspicion.

Maybe I will pay you a visit.

[Jamiet99uk]

Exactly, then why tf is Jamie questioning why I'm acting like town.

I legit probably put more thought into the mass claim shit than most of the people did this game.

Scum usually try to "act" like town.

Uh huh.

[brainbomb]

In the order of operations the only thing that comes before a commute is a Jail.
So jailor is the only role that can prevent a commute.

while commuting nothing can target the commuter. no kills, no actions, no nothing.

Other than a jailor.

[bozotheclown]

I started rereading to see if there is any chance Nephthys is the last scum, but I think most of the evidence points to Foxcastle.

Here is a quick summary of day 1: Foxcastle claimed doctor D1 to avoid being lynched, but passed off him claim as providing future information for town. Squigs switched his vote from Foxcastle to ghug at the last minute to make sure ghug was lynched over Foxcastle, even though it meant ending on a town wagon that was about to flip, and ghug voters were sure to be under suspicion the way ghug's wagon developed. Foxcastle also positioned himself to make sure he could jump on his counterwagom at the last minute. damo was the first vote on Foxcastle, and was the only vote on Foxcastle when damo was last online D1 7 hours before EOD. Squigs and Foxcastle were voting for each other before both moving to ghug. This all looks consistent with bussing. No confirmed scum voted for Nephthys D1, and Nephthys did not vote for any confirmed scum D1.

After EOD D1, here are posts by Vecna and xorxes:

Like, I clearly was reaction testing to see who would try to save obv-scum Foxy, but then everyone and their mother got in on the lolz, so now we have like too much information.

For future reference, my civ is Askia, in case that becomes relevant later.

Bozo and Squigs seem scummy to me, obviously. (Bozo more so, really...) Vecna's wrong here, but seems townie. Jamiet is town. Too early to tell about most others, unfortunately.

I also find it relevant to remember that apparently Xorxes instantly made the connection that this was a docclaim. Because this post doesnt claim that shit at all, and its worded in such a way as to sound unimportant.

Do scum have daychat?

My suspicions are raised.

I didn't make the connection, I had to look it up.

@Fox, why did you say Askia and not specify Doctor?

I think it's pretty obvious now that Fox is scum.

xorxes and Vecna both called Foxcastle obvious scum, and they were killed N1 and N2, likely by the scum NK.

[Jamiet99uk]

In the order of operations the only thing that comes before a commute is a Jail.
So jailor is the only role that can prevent a commute.

while commuting nothing can target the commuter. no kills, no actions, no nothing.

Other than a jailor.

##CALL GM

That is not what I asked.

[bozotheclown]

Not much D2 as Squigs was confirmed scum, but Foxcastle criticized DemonRHK for choosing to challenge Squigs. Here is one post of note:

There were at least two better challengers (me, Bozo) than Squigs, who was confirmed scum. DemonRHK isn't a dumb player, so why did they make a dumb move? Despite asking, I don't get a response from him.

I'm not sure I agree. Challenging you, if you are town, would be a great move for a scum Gladiator, for sure. You'd have been more likely to get lynched, and he could then have said "oh dear, oh well, several people were scumreading Foxcastle, ah dear dear, my mistake" and even tried to draw towncred.

Right, and then we'd know my alignment AND Squigs' alignment. I know he could only use it that phase, but even so, there were better options, and it just looks off to me that he basically wasted it on a vote where the only reasonable options was for every single person to vote for Squigs.

He was likely to win over either Bozo or me, but it would have been damn interesting to see how either of those votes turned out, because I really doubt they would have been 12-1...

Foxcastle says that DemonRHK challenging me or himself would have been a better challenge, but he also says DemonRHK would win either of those challenges. By this argument, Foxcastle is saying DemonRHK would have made a better play getting a town lynched (himself) than letting a know scum (Squigs) get lynched.

[bozotheclown]

I will move on to D3 at another time.

[brainbomb]

##CALL GM

Can you answer my commuter question?

It was:

If the Role Cop scans the Commuter when the Commuter has commuted, what result do they get?

They get no result whatsoever, and it doesnt even count as a visit. RCcouldnt reach the scan target.

Heres a diagram to explain this
Commuter commuting - immune to all actions other than jailkeep.
as a result anyone who visited a commuter would recieve a message saying You get no result. Because you cant visit something you cant reach.

If you role cop someone in jail, same message. You get no result.

If you use tracker or watcher on someone Jailed, you would see nothing


If the tracker follows someone who visits a jailed person or a commuter, the tracker would not see the person visit someone.

if the watcher watches a jailed person, the watcher would not see anyone who visits that person, because its an invalid target.

if a watcher watches a commuter, no result
if a tracker follows someone who visits a commuter
no result

[brainbomb]

if a tracker tracks a jailor they could see a jailor performing a jailkeep on someone. that is the only time or circumstance a jailing would be able to be detected.

I know this is all belaboring the point but theres so many damn roles in mafia even as the GM you have to actually think it all out. I dont beleive any of these rulings are inconsistent with any other ruling we have ever had. I think the only notices a jailor has ever received on webdip was an attack. There may have been a game where the jailor noticed all visits or something OP.

[brainbomb]

Carry on players, thank you once again for tolerating my lack of attention to detail.

[Jamiet99uk]

Thank you Brainbomb.

Ok so.if I scan Netnames I can still verify his commute claim, more or less, on account of the lack of result I'd get.