Mafia 41 - Sid Meiers Civilizaton Mafia - Official Game Thread

[LordQuas]

Things that strike me about DemonRHK on re-read:

1. From page 13 it was clear he knew there was a Mafia Daychat. He didn't come out and say this, but he pressed CrimsonFox over an apparent change in tack which he then went on to explain (p.33) was because he thought Crimson was being coached. At that point, Demon noted that he was aware the Mafia had daychat.

2. He criticised and pressured Xorxes in the early game, and this appeared to prompt a shift in gear from Xorxes, who we now know was town. The moment Xorxes started putting the work in, Demon acknowledged this. I'm not sure if this indicates anything, it just stands out.

3. His cry of "HEY SQUIGS, STEP INTO MY OFFICE" amused me. But I know "amusing" and "towny" are not the same.

Whether he is town or scum I think he's playing quite well. If he's scum, he's done nothing to give himself away.

knowing mafia has daychat is NAI it's in the OP and standard practice in a lot of places

I don't think that xorxes stance is particularly scummy imo

I don't know if he's playing well or not, I really haven't seen as much of an impact from him at all

[bozotheclown]

@Bozo:

Why do you think I am scum?
Why do you think CrimsonFox is town?

I do not think you are scum, but I find a few things suspicious enough that I consider you a scum suspect. Specifically, you claimed you did not know there was a mafia day chat after saying early on that you reviewed the rules thoroughly, and you helped get ghug lynched implying you took his scum claim seriously.

I can't point to anything from CrimsonFox that I find suspicious, so I have him as likely town, but I am in way certain about him.

[Jamiet99uk]

knowing mafia has daychat is NAI it's in the OP and standard practice in a lot of places

It was not in the OP because the GM forgot to put it there.

[LordQuas]

You have to bear in mind he could only use his Gladiator power that phase.

tbh he could have gladiated someone else and claimed he didn't realize how squigs was conf scum

[Nephthys]

GM NOTE: Alright well I forgot to mention scum also has a list of fake claimable roles in the event of massclaim. Alot of these things I just assume people knew were standard in role madness so I didnt mention them.

##Call GM, so this means that also scum know EXACTLY what roles are in play as town then???

no because there are plenty of overflow roles as well.

##Call GM to clarify, scum were given a fake claim each (totalling 5) fake roles. This means that there are 7 roles to which neither scum nor town knows about and if so, were the fake claim roles chosen or picked at random?

[Jamiet99uk]

@Bozo:

Why do you think I am scum?
Why do you think CrimsonFox is town?

I do not think you are scum, but I find a few things suspicious enough that I consider you a scum suspect. Specifically, you claimed you did not know there was a mafia day chat after saying early on that you reviewed the rules thoroughly, and you helped get ghug lynched implying you took his scum claim seriously.

Brainbomb forgot to put this detail in the rules. I did read them. It was not mentioned there. It was only mentioned in the sign-up thread, but there were numerous rule and setup changes as the sign-ups progressed.

[LordQuas]

knowing mafia has daychat is NAI it's in the OP and standard practice in a lot of places

It was not in the OP because the GM forgot to put it there.

#3 Post by brainbomb » Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:57 pm

Game start date Saturday January 5th
5pm CDT, 6pm EST
phases 48-24
Mafia chat on at all times

[Garden Gnome]

Hi, I'm a gnome! I just stopped in to say hi, and I'll talk to you more later!

Do you have a fishing rod and a little pointy hat?

Yes!

[LordQuas]

I don't think mechanics knowledge is almost ever AI, when people "scumslip" or "derpclear" with it, more often then not they're the opposite alignment then it would indicate

it's also real easy for a wolf to appear to be solving by hunting for "slips," as well as distract the thread for days

[LordQuas]

There were at least two better challengers (me, Bozo) than Squigs, who was confirmed scum. DemonRHK isn't a dumb player, so why did they make a dumb move? Despite asking, I don't get a response from him.

I'm not sure I agree. Challenging you, if you are town, would be a great move for a scum Gladiator, for sure. You'd have been more likely to get lynched, and he could then have said "oh dear, oh well, several people were scumreading Foxcastle, ah dear dear, my mistake" and even tried to draw towncred.

Right, and then we'd know my alignment AND Squigs' alignment. I know he could only use it that phase, but even so, there were better options, and it just looks off to me that he basically wasted it on a vote where the only reasonable options was for every single person to vote for Squigs.

He was likely to win over either Bozo or me, but it would have been damn interesting to see how either of those votes turned out, because I really doubt they would have been 12-1...

I want to lynch conf scum

I don't want to leave them alive for a phase

[LordQuas]

Hi, I'm a gnome! I just stopped in to say hi, and I'll talk to you more later!

Do you have a fishing rod and a little pointy hat?

Yes!

gnome! wassup I didn't acknowledge you earlier, what ya got for me in this game?

[Nephthys]

I would like to mass claim but I would like to run it as I have an idea that will either conf scum or conf SK but I am unable to state for obviously that would undermine the entire thing

[bozotheclown]

Notice that in this entire game, not once has Bozo asked me a question or challenged me to respond to anything. He just starting criticising my play early on, and hasn't changed this tune. But not once has he asked me anything.

This smacks of scum deciding I'm an easy lynch and looking to paint me as scum without actually investigating anything or looking further than what's on the very surface.

I do not remember criticizing your play, except for commenting that you had a lot of scum reads early.

[Jamiet99uk]

knowing mafia has daychat is NAI it's in the OP and standard practice in a lot of places

It was not in the OP because the GM forgot to put it there.

#3 Post by brainbomb » Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:57 pm

Game start date Saturday January 5th
5pm CDT, 6pm EST
phases 48-24
Mafia chat on at all times

That was in the sign-up thread, before the game had started. There were multiple rule and setup tweaks as the sign-ups progressed. It should have been confirmed in the main rules post.

[LordQuas]

ngl I kinda want to kill foxcastle after his bit abt leaving the conf scum alive for a day, that's such bad form, especially when you don't know the role and it's "role madness"

[dargorygel]

I would like to mass claim but I would like to run it as I have an idea that will either conf scum or conf SK but I am unable to state for obviously that would undermine the entire thing

I think I am fine with this... although I don't know what "running" it means. But don't reveal your idea yet.

[LordQuas]

I would like to mass claim but I would like to run it as I have an idea that will either conf scum or conf SK but I am unable to state for obviously that would undermine the entire thing

mass claiming is fucking boring

[LordQuas]

It was not in the OP because the GM forgot to put it there.

#3 Post by brainbomb » Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:57 pm

Game start date Saturday January 5th
5pm CDT, 6pm EST
phases 48-24
Mafia chat on at all times

That was in the sign-up thread, before the game had started. There were multiple rule and setup tweaks as the sign-ups progressed. It should have been confirmed in the main rules post.

still, both points stand, don't try to wolf read someoen cause they know scum has daychat

[bozotheclown]

Right now CrimsonFox, dargorygel, DemonRHK, Nephthys, RagingIke, rdrivera, Vecna, worcej, and xorxes seem the most likely to be town, in my opinion.

DoubtingThomas, DrCJG, and ND have not said enough for me to have an opinion on them.

I am moving Vecna off my town read list for saying he was not trying to get ghug lynched after playing an active role in getting him lynched. I am adding LordQuas to my town read list after a reread. That makes my likely town list: CrimsonFox, dargorygel, DemonRHK, Nephthys, RagingIke/Garden Gnome, and worcej.

I still have no opinion on DoubtingThomas or ND/flash.

That leaves damo, Foxcastle, Jamie, and Vecna as my top scum suspects.

So you think my " QUICK GUYS LYNCH HIM HE CLAIMED SCUM, DONT LET HIM GET AWAY WITH IT AGAIN"

Was serious? While I was boasting to him before that I was better at trolling him. And he was clearly trying to one-off me?

Like, really?

Youre approaching jamiet levels of reasoning here.

It doesn't matter now, but whether you seemed serious or not to me, you did have an impact on getting him lynched.

[Jamiet99uk]

#3 Post by brainbomb » Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:57 pm

Game start date Saturday January 5th
5pm CDT, 6pm EST
phases 48-24
Mafia chat on at all times

That was in the sign-up thread, before the game had started. There were multiple rule and setup tweaks as the sign-ups progressed. It should have been confirmed in the main rules post.

still, both points stand, don't try to wolf read someoen cause they know scum has daychat

I did not.