M60 - Duck Season? (Director's Cut) - Game Thread

[ghug]

I love that HR's name is provably not green.

[kgray]

I love that HR's name is provably not green.

I don't get the green thing, aren't all the names green?

[ghug]

I love that HR's name is provably not green.

I don't get the green thing, aren't all the names green?

They're all blue to me? Mods are green. Admins are red.

Is it different in dark mode?

[kgray]

I love that HR's name is provably not green.

I don't get the green thing, aren't all the names green?

They're all blue to me? Mods are green. Admins are red.

Is it different in dark mode?

Oh, yeah. I just switched to light mode and they're blue. And also I'm blind now.

[Durga]

I love that HR's name is provably not green.

I don't get the green thing, aren't all the names green?

They're all green for me in dark mode, bo sux is red iirc

[Hellenic Riot]

Forum mods are a different shade of green in dark mode too - Unless Prado became an admin anyway

[Fluminator]

Since when was there a darkmode

[Fluminator]

Oh boy this is dark and ugly ew

[ghug]

Dark mode was missing something I cared about so I switched back.

[kgray]

Oh boy this is dark and ugly ew

It's like 1000x better than light mode on mobile.

[bo_sox48]

VOTE COUNT 4.1.5

flash2015 (4) - Donny Dude, Fluminator, Vecna, Durga
seth24c (4) - Nanook, bozotheclown, MoscowFleet, Maniac
Vecna (4) - ghug, kgray, Hellenic Riot, worcej
worcej (1) - flash2015
bozotheclown (1) - Tom Bombadil
Fluminator (1) - seth24c

At present, NOBODY will be dunked on to death by Michael Jordan.

Day 4 has 2 hours remaining.

[worcej]

I don’t get you guys. Me and summit have an interaction that makes us clearly never teamed and your response is “meh fuck you.” Seth has the most limp noodle nothing response to tom claiming he shot him and your response is “OH MY GOD HES OBVTOWN NOW.”

I scum read you incredibly hard because of the whole ‘I will solve the game later guys’ earlier in the game and now on D4 we have you saying things like these.

You care more about being townread than catching any scum.

I completely agree with your sentiment here Worcej, but what other reads do you have? You've only been focusing on nanook all game, and as you said yourself, its D4...

Well, my other scum read Bunny is now dead and I was wrong - so not much to comment on that one. Nanook just oozes scum to me and it's hard to shake my focus off that, but others are not agreeing with this enough to pursue.

It's also hard to have strong cases right now with how 'F'ed' I've been on time these past 24 hours. As soon as the gun came up, activity spiked in the game and I am missing a lot of pages of content.

The players I am skeptical of right now are yourself (Vecna), Flum, and ghug. These are more based on what my expectations of play are of each of you then anything else, so it's not something I can sit here and present well.

Bozo's case building and framing scream town-solvey-bozo - he could be wrong on his cases, but the style is his town play.

Durga's tone is different, but stylistically the same as the last big game we played. While I almost naturally want to sus her, I do not find anything inherently scummy and she is doing enough to show she's invested in the game to get a town pass from me.

Others - no strong opinion or at least town them for now.

[ghug]

Oh right it doesn't show the unread messages in a different color.

[kgray]

I scum read you incredibly hard because of the whole ‘I will solve the game later guys’ earlier in the game and now on D4 we have you saying things like these.

You care more about being townread than catching any scum.

I completely agree with your sentiment here Worcej, but what other reads do you have? You've only been focusing on nanook all game, and as you said yourself, its D4...

Well, my other scum read Bunny is now dead and I was wrong - so not much to comment on that one. Nanook just oozes scum to me and it's hard to shake my focus off that, but others are not agreeing with this enough to pursue.

It's also hard to have strong cases right now with how 'F'ed' I've been on time these past 24 hours. As soon as the gun came up, activity spiked in the game and I am missing a lot of pages of content.

The players I am skeptical of right now are yourself (Vecna), Flum, and ghug. These are more based on what my expectations of play are of each of you then anything else, so it's not something I can sit here and present well.

Bozo's case building and framing scream town-solvey-bozo - he could be wrong on his cases, but the style is his town play.

Durga's tone is different, but stylistically the same as the last big game we played. While I almost naturally want to sus her, I do not find anything inherently scummy and she is doing enough to show she's invested in the game to get a town pass from me.

Others - no strong opinion or at least town them for now.

Can you be a little more specific about what's bothering you about flum and ghug? It's fine if it's still general, not asking you to pull quotes or anything and I don't care about it being presented well.

[bozotheclown]

People doing scummy shit on D1 and being wrong is not actually scummy in and of itself.

Damo flipping town just now should be all the evidence of that you need.

Why are you only looking at the people that looked poorly on D1 and you ignore any play afterwards? Were on D4 now. People have done shit since day 1. Its so unlike town bozo to not take that into account. If it wasnt that HR was the one pushing you at a moment im suspecting to be suspicious, id be pushing for your crucifixion like no man's business.

seth and Donny are still my top scum reads, but that does not mean I am only looking at D1. However, since the D1 DK was scum, D1 is still our best source of information.

seth voted for Nanook and BunnyGo D2, did not post during the shortened D3, and was voting for damo at the 24 mark of D4. I previously said seth has not done anything since D1 that makes me any less suspicious of him, and that is still the case.

I do not like your argument here, it is easy to criticize players for things they did not do. For instance, I post why seth looked suspicious for his D1, and you say I am ignoring anything after that, yet you are not telling me what seth has done after D1 that should be considering. I am considering what all players did on all days, but I can't post everything I am considering.

If you want a case that covers all days, here is one for you: D1 you avoided voting for summit until he was ahead by 3 votes 7 minutes before EOD, you actively discouraged people for voting for summit during D1, yet after D1 you claimed you were indicating all D1 that you would vote for summit eventually. D2 you started voting for TrPrado, saying in the same post that you were OK with seth as well, yet at EOD when the wagons were BunnyGo vs. seth, you voted for BunnyGo instead of seth. D3 you voted for BunnyGo at the beginning of the day, even though you switched from BunnyGo to TrPrado at the end of D2, and nothing had changed with BunnyGo's claim yet. D4 you had your vote on damo at the 24 hour mark, and are now using damo as an example of why we should not be looking at suspicious activity from D1.

I indicated all of D2 that I was opposed to a seth wagon, and was considernig either bunny or TrPrado. -Maybe- I talked about seth at the start of D2, but I seriously doubt that and dont remember doing so. Even if I did, I explicitely stated several times later on Seth was completely off the table.

Pretty odd of a thing for you to be wrong about and to be accusing me off.

I do not think I am wrong.

Here is your first mention of seth D2, at 47:37:

##vote TrPrado

Damo/Seth also work just fine for me.

Maybe a bozo for that Rdrivera kill

Here is your second mention of seth D2, at 24:19:

Hold up. Can you expand on this?

Vecna asked if seth was softing anything. As a joke, I said yes, he was softing scum.

It really wasnt about seth though

Here is your third mention of seth D2, at 2:20:

I feel seth is a much worse wagon than TrPrado and bunny, but then again, I was wrong on reading him last game as well.

Still, I feel like his level of guts and confrontationalism is a bit higher this game.

Where are your posts where you "indicated all of D2" that you were opposed to a seth wagon? Why, when you finally indicated you preferred BunnyGo over seth 2:20 before EOD, you hedged your town read of seth with "but then again, I was wrong on reading him last game as well"?

[Vecna]

This is pretty much my poe pool for scum now. I townread pretty much everyone else, or have reasons to be ok with them.

Pretty big suspicion:
Durga
Hellenic Riot
damo666
flash2015

Maniac
Nanook

seth24c
(worcej)
Low'ish suspicion

feeling pretty good about these reads.

FWIW, this list was the first thing that made me question my thoughts on Vecna - I didn't understand how I suddenly fell at the bottom of his suspicion level rather quickly.

Your posts at the start of this day changed my mind instantly. I stated as much, and I got questioned on it. nearly 100% a gut read, but I really had good feelings.

The posting youre doing here just makes me stronger in that feeling (especially the interaction about the ghug-thing).

[Vecna]

##vote flash

A nice naked vote you have there...

Instead of complaining about people being suspicious about you, maybe actually play and change their mind?

[Vecna]

##vote Seth seems like Worcej isn’t happening at the moment.

I wouldn’t be adverse to a Vecna kill either.

So then why don't you vote Vecna instead of perpetuating the 3-way tie?

Because he'd rather have 2 town wagons up there

[Vecna]

Man, this amount of analysis is too good to ignore. I am sheeping bozo on this one. This is town bozo through and through.

##vote Vecna

Bozo isn't even voting Vecna lol. He just hopped off flash onto Seth

I moved my vote from flash to Donny and then to seth, but I was only voting for flash because is was coming down to damo vs. flash at Tom's shooting deadline.

I think seth and Vecna as scum together fits.

Do you still think so once you realize I was very vocal about not-seth all of D2? And have done that for pretty much the entirety of the game?

The dude is town. Trying to protect your townreads is not scummy behavior.

[seth24c]

I completely agree with your sentiment here Worcej, but what other reads do you have? You've only been focusing on nanook all game, and as you said yourself, its D4...

Well, my other scum read Bunny is now dead and I was wrong - so not much to comment on that one. Nanook just oozes scum to me and it's hard to shake my focus off that, but others are not agreeing with this enough to pursue.

It's also hard to have strong cases right now with how 'F'ed' I've been on time these past 24 hours. As soon as the gun came up, activity spiked in the game and I am missing a lot of pages of content.

The players I am skeptical of right now are yourself (Vecna), Flum, and ghug. These are more based on what my expectations of play are of each of you then anything else, so it's not something I can sit here and present well.

Bozo's case building and framing scream town-solvey-bozo - he could be wrong on his cases, but the style is his town play.

Durga's tone is different, but stylistically the same as the last big game we played. While I almost naturally want to sus her, I do not find anything inherently scummy and she is doing enough to show she's invested in the game to get a town pass from me.

Others - no strong opinion or at least town them for now.

Can you be a little more specific about what's bothering you about flum and ghug? It's fine if it's still general, not asking you to pull quotes or anything and I don't care about it being presented well.

So I know you didn’t ask me but take a look at the day one interactions between ghug, flum, and Moscow. Then take a look at theirinteraction with the summit wagon. Frame those things with the knowledge that they had that summit was likely to be the flip either day 1 or at the latest day 2 and see if it doesn’t look like they could all three be teammates. They all explore options that aren’t summit but are on his wagon early, maybe why summit didn’t try very hard to defend himself, then get off but return when it is pretty clear he is going to be the flip. I mean we have literally flipped almost all the late movers to the summit wagon aside from Donny and vecna. The only ones left after the tie was broken by Tom. So the only other ones left are myself, nanook, maniac, and worcej. One of those 4 or vecna/Donny are probably the traitor since the traitor probably wouldn’t buss so heavily. My money is on nanook or maniac. On my phone so if mistakes are made in the post sorry.