M60 - Duck Season? (Director's Cut) - Game Thread

[Fluminator]

the reaction test has no bearing on my seth read

[Fluminator]

I'm actually pretty certain my vote is settled on flash until eod at this point.

He seems to be coasting as long as he can from his Summit vote and he's actively giving nothing. The fact he's using that as his defense still is laughable.

Since I feel partially responsible for the damo and Prado miskills and they both died with flash as their top suspect I'll vote him in their honour.

Seriously? We are on D4 now...I am your top scumread just because I am a low poster? There are four scum out there. You aren't even going to consider anyone else? This doesn't seem very towny to me.

Convince me on someone else

[Fluminator]

I'm kind of interested in you flipping since it will help me read HR and bozo too.

[Maniac]

So looking at day 1 wagons. BEFORE summit claimed
the wagons were
Summit: Flash, Kgray, HR, Bozo, Durga, Flum, Ghug, Moscow, Tom, Vecna
Maniac: Bunny, Damo, Donnie, Nanook, RDR, Seth, Prado (I don't know the order)
Nanook: Worcej
Seth: Chaqa

Seth reads town to me.
Nanook does read slight town for me.
Donnie hasn't stuck out to me yet, but I should probably reread him.

Worcej is sus but summit was still 100% bussed pretty actively.

I actually applaud this list and suggest Donny, Nanook, Seth, or even myself (though I am town) are the ones to be vote-murdered today.

I highly doubt the entire scum team was on Summit at that point, so there is likely a scum in Donny/Nanook/Seth.

Also, ##vote Nanook

This makes a lot of sense. I kinda liked Seth’s reaction to Tom’s test so I think we should select from the Donny, Nanook, Worcej pool today. ##vote Worcej

[Maniac]

Although Moscow is right Seth’s reaction to Tom shouldn’t clear him

[bozotheclown]

This is seth's first mention of damo D1:

Also this. Total 180 from the previous few games

Yeah I feel like he really didn't care in the mini game as scum, and I'm not seeing any caring here.

Lots of people talking but nobody voting. ##vote damo

seth's post was proceeded by these:

So, comparisons to last game:

A) Tom is back to his normal natural self, so unless he's vastly improved his scumgame he's almost certainly town.

B) Damo has done a complete 180, is barely present, not giving off his town vibes, and is strongly reminiscent of the mini-mafia where he was scum.

C) Summit's also reverted to type.

Down with ##vote summit wagon atm, would be sympathetic to a damo wagon too.

Damo has been extremely underwhelming today so far.

Damo has been extremely underwhelming today so far.

Also this. Total 180 from the previous few games

Damo has been extremely underwhelming today so far.

Also this. Total 180 from the previous few games

Yeah I feel like he really didn't care in the mini game as scum, and I'm not seeing any caring here.

The last 3 were within 20 minutes before seth's post, so seth knew he had a chance of getting a wagon going on damo, and Fluminator, ghug, and Durga did all vote for damo to put damo ahead of summit 4-3.

seth did not say anything else about damo until summit had retaken the lead, when he posted this:

I got killed N1 in the abandoned game.

If I get killed D1 this game I will develop a complex and my voters will be to blame.

I don't love this at all.

Have to agree. Still not seeing much from damo that has changed my read, it has solidified it to a certain degree. Also the similar posts from Tom and Moscow that both discussed how they preferred other options caught my eye.

Not long after damo dropped down to only 2 votes to summit's 7 votes, and Maniac had 3 votes, seth posted this:

@rdr what's your case on Maniac

I didn't like the way he defended Chaqa, it looks like buddying and I didn't like him joke claiming scum.

He also did some pretty heavy hi’ing in the beginning of the game. I forgot how much until reading him again. Feeling a little better about damo so making maniac a bigger wagon works for me. ##vote maniac

7 minutes before EOD, when summit was leading Maniac 11-7, seth posted this:

Perfectly happy to see summit flip because he has seemed scummy to me as well. But if he isn’t scum maniac is public enemy number 1 imo.

Summary:
1. seth started a damo wagon because he knew others would vote for damo, despite not giving any reasons why he scum read damo.
2. seth pushed the damo wagon while it was the top counter wagon to summit.
3. When damo was no longer a viable wagon, seth stopped scum reading damo for unexplained reasons and voted for Maniac 5 minutes after Maniac had more votes than damo.
4. seth never mentioned his read of summit while voting for summit's top counter wagons, but just before summit was about to flip scum, seth scum read him for the first time.

[Donny Dude]

I'm kind of interested in you flipping since it will help me read HR and bozo too.

Flum, how does flipping it? affect your reads on hr and bozo?
Who is it?

[bozotheclown]

I feel like summit has had an awful long time since becoming a main wagon to do something remotely townie, and has singularly failed at it. He's dodged every single statement that multiple people have made about how he's playing this game so differently to last time, and so I really don't see a reason to change off of him.

^^^ this 100%

Last game he pushed people, wasn't afraid to interact with people and give his opinions. Everything about him was town. Here he's said almost nothing that seems like hunting, and I can't stop thinking about how in M1015 he said in scumchat that he was considering going down quietly so he didn't implicate his teammates.

These two actually make sense in their reasoning for preferring summit.

This is seth's only significant mention of summit D1 before EOD, and I think it could be read 2 ways. It could be read as seth agreeing with kgray and HR, and therefore a scum read of summit. However, it could also be read as seth saying the other 4 players who were voting for summit at the time had bad reasons for voting him, and therefore a criticism of the summit wagon.

[Donny Dude]

Why haven't people moved off damo yet?

##VOTE worcej

Not liking the vanity wagon on D1. Seems like he is way too cool this game...

Is there anything other than the d1 wagon that has you voting for worcej?

Did I not make it clear with the second sentence?

Can you then point to some posts that seem too cool or at least define what that means for your read?

[bozotheclown]

I'm kind of interested in you flipping since it will help me read HR and bozo too.

Flum, how does flipping it? affect your reads on hr and bozo?
Who is it?

I assume Fluminator was talking about seeing flash flip since he had just responded to flash, but I do not know what connection he sees with me and HR.

[Fluminator]

Yeah was talking to flash

[Maniac]

I’d +1 bozo’s Seth case if I could

[Fluminator]

I found Donny's account on mafiascum and skimmed his games there. I didn't get anything useful lol.
FWIW I couldn't really tell a difference between his scum and town games at a glance. Both seem pretty consistent to his posting here.

[Vecna]

interesting that you too switched to appear offline mode all of a sudden HR

Do you find this more suspicious with HR than with summit:
a) because of different opinions of them as players
b) because it happened midgame
c) because summit was your teammate
d) because HR just voted for you
or e) other?

if my memory of him actually showing it is correct, than obviously its damning that he suddenly has changed it midgame while theres a gunshot primed.

[Vecna]

interesting that you too switched to appear offline mode all of a sudden HR

I've been in invisible mode ever since these forums were added, and have never once turned it off.

shouldve aggresively called me out on lying about the you showing it then man, for that truely credible experience

[Vecna]

interesting that you too switched to appear offline mode all of a sudden HR

I've been in invisible mode ever since these forums were added, and have never once turned it off.

Couldve sworn there was a moment on D2 where u said you'd be online for the remainder of EoD, and then vanished, and then I saw that u were back before you started posting again in the last 20 minutes.

Sad I did not actually respond in a post so I could nail u.

[Vecna]

This is seth's first mention of damo D1:

Yeah I feel like he really didn't care in the mini game as scum, and I'm not seeing any caring here.

Lots of people talking but nobody voting. ##vote damo

seth's post was proceeded by these:

So, comparisons to last game:

A) Tom is back to his normal natural self, so unless he's vastly improved his scumgame he's almost certainly town.

B) Damo has done a complete 180, is barely present, not giving off his town vibes, and is strongly reminiscent of the mini-mafia where he was scum.

C) Summit's also reverted to type.

Down with ##vote summit wagon atm, would be sympathetic to a damo wagon too.

Damo has been extremely underwhelming today so far.

Damo has been extremely underwhelming today so far.

Also this. Total 180 from the previous few games

Also this. Total 180 from the previous few games

Yeah I feel like he really didn't care in the mini game as scum, and I'm not seeing any caring here.

The last 3 were within 20 minutes before seth's post, so seth knew he had a chance of getting a wagon going on damo, and Fluminator, ghug, and Durga did all vote for damo to put damo ahead of summit 4-3.

seth did not say anything else about damo until summit had retaken the lead, when he posted this:

I don't love this at all.

Have to agree. Still not seeing much from damo that has changed my read, it has solidified it to a certain degree. Also the similar posts from Tom and Moscow that both discussed how they preferred other options caught my eye.

Not long after damo dropped down to only 2 votes to summit's 7 votes, and Maniac had 3 votes, seth posted this:

I didn't like the way he defended Chaqa, it looks like buddying and I didn't like him joke claiming scum.

He also did some pretty heavy hi’ing in the beginning of the game. I forgot how much until reading him again. Feeling a little better about damo so making maniac a bigger wagon works for me. ##vote maniac

7 minutes before EOD, when summit was leading Maniac 11-7, seth posted this:

Perfectly happy to see summit flip because he has seemed scummy to me as well. But if he isn’t scum maniac is public enemy number 1 imo.

Summary:
1. seth started a damo wagon because he knew others would vote for damo, despite not giving any reasons why he scum read damo.
2. seth pushed the damo wagon while it was the top counter wagon to summit.
3. When damo was no longer a viable wagon, seth stopped scum reading damo for unexplained reasons and voted for Maniac 5 minutes after Maniac had more votes than damo.
4. seth never mentioned his read of summit while voting for summit's top counter wagons, but just before summit was about to flip scum, seth scum read him for the first time.

People doing scummy shit on D1 and being wrong is not actually scummy in and of itself.

Damo flipping town just now should be all the evidence of that you need.

Why are you only looking at the people that looked poorly on D1 and you ignore any play afterwards? Were on D4 now. People have done shit since day 1. Its so unlike town bozo to not take that into account. If it wasnt that HR was the one pushing you at a moment im suspecting to be suspicious, id be pushing for your crucifixion like no man's business.

[Jamiet99uk]

VOTE COUNT 4.1.2

seth24c (3) - Nanook, bozotheclown, MoscowFleet
flash2015 (3) - Donny Dude, Fluminator, Vecna
worcej (3) - Durga, flash2015, Maniac
Vecna (3) - ghug, kgray, Hellenic Riot
Nanook (1) - worcej
bozotheclown (1) - Tom Bombadil

Unvoted (1) - seth24c

NOBODY is set.

11 and a bit hours remain in D4.

[Durga]

I love chaos that gives us more information. This was hero syndrome, drawing for a reaction on obv-town.

And if you think my reaction here was scummy, go ahead and compare it to the game where Worcej vigged obv-town.

Seth was not obvtown. His reaction to Tom makes him far more likely to be town. Testing reactions like that is good play.

You were upset that Tom had a gun at all.

Your reads are just crap Ghug. Youre only decent as scum. Just sit down and let the big boys solve this game.

The gunshot was at least good for something, because scum just overextended there to save Flash.

Shit we're going for the personal attacks now eh

[Durga]

Also, for everyone who is insisting seth is town, consider this one post in context of everything else seth did D1:

Perfectly happy to see summit flip because he has seemed scummy to me as well. But if he isn’t scum maniac is public enemy number 1 imo.

I don't get it tbh