M60 - Duck Season? (Director's Cut) - Game Thread

[Tom Bombadil]

So you scumread for his response, or you just take nothing from it?

[flash2015]

Why haven't people moved off damo yet?

##VOTE worcej

Not liking the vanity wagon on D1. Seems like he is way too cool this game...

[flash2015]

Could Tom be 3P?

[Donny Dude]

Why haven't people moved off damo yet?

##VOTE worcej

Not liking the vanity wagon on D1. Seems like he is way too cool this game...

Is there anything other than the d1 wagon that has you voting for worcej?

[Donny Dude]

Could Tom be 3P?

What makes you think that?

[kgray]

Could Tom be 3P?

What is even the point of saying this? Could you be 3p? Could bozo? Could ghug?

Sure. Anyone could be 3p.

Is there anything specific about Tom that makes you think he's the 3p?

[bozotheclown]

Your stance on daykilling flash for lurking sure has changed since M59.

I thought flash was a good DK in M59 D1 for lack of a better scum read because I have seen him lurk like that as scum, but it was when he self voted that I pushed harder for him to be the DK. I still think his lurking this game is something he could and would do as scum.

I forgot about his self-vote, but you were pushing him pretty hard well before that. Although, since he was town in M59, it would make sense for you to back off of that meta read. I'm surprised you didn't bring that up.

Yes, I was arguing that he was a good DK because his level of activity (very low) reminded me of M47 when he was scum. I knew then that flash often lurks D1 as town, so his flipping town only slightly changed his town lurking to scum lurking ratio. There is a difference however, in that M59 D1 he had provided no information to base a read on, and he kept his joke vote on summit almost all D1 when summit was not a wagon. In this game, keeping his vote on summit all D1 was more significant, regardless of how that is interpreted.

I would like to point out though that I am not defending flash this game, I think he very well could be lurking as scum, and I can see him voting for summit as his teammate to maintain his recent pattern.

[Durga]

I'm here what's up

[kgray]

Alright bozo et al. I've read Donny's iso.

I still don't think he seemed scummy D1 at all. Yes he parroted a few opinions but he also gave plenty of his own, and he wasn't hiding. He was the first to bring up certain topics (like damo's inconsistencies with his reads list and his vote for me, and Durga's townread of HR based on only a few posts). He definitely wasn't *only* repeating what others said. In terms of vibes, I really get nothing scummy from him.

In terms of votes, I'm also not seeing what's so incriminating. Donny did seem to avoid the summit wagon and didn't talk about summit much, but afaik he's not familiar with summit's meta so that argument wouldn't be as persuasive to him as it was to others. The biggest indicator to me is that if he'd wanted to vote for a town counterwagon to summit, he could have voted Chaqa instead of Maniac at 5 hours until EOD.

I'm getting a similar feeling from the rest of his iso. I don't really get what he's looking for in terms of scumhunting - he's called a few things scummy that I don't think are scum-indicative at all, and he's not very helpful when explaining his reads. But I don't see how it's scum motivated, especially some of the times where he gave people who were under a lot of pressure towny points. That's not something I generally do as scum so it seems to me like he's genuinely trying to figure out people's alignments, even though I don't understand what his criteria are.

Overall, he's certainly not a strong townread of mine so I'm not really going to defend him. But I'm not very convinced that he's scum either.

[flash2015]

Could Tom be 3P?

What is even the point of saying this? Could you be 3p? Could bozo? Could ghug?

Sure. Anyone could be 3p.

Is there anything specific about Tom that makes you think he's the 3p?

Seriously? Do you want me to post or not?

I am questioning whether that misdirection with the gun could have also been 3P indicative by potentially helping to find out the role of seth too.

[flash2015]

Why haven't people moved off damo yet?

##VOTE worcej

Not liking the vanity wagon on D1. Seems like he is way too cool this game...

Is there anything other than the d1 wagon that has you voting for worcej?

Did I not make it clear with the second sentence?

[bozotheclown]

Also, for everyone who is insisting seth is town, consider this one post in context of everything else seth did D1:

Perfectly happy to see summit flip because he has seemed scummy to me as well. But if he isn’t scum maniac is public enemy number 1 imo.

Why is this pinging you? I thought it was suspicious if summit ended up town, because then he could have been setting up his next miskill target, but with summit being scum I don't see your point.

seth never indicated that he scum read summit D1, barely mentioned him, and voted for multiple counter wagons. Then, 7 minutes before EOD when summit was up 11-7, seth was "Perfectly happy to see summit flip because he has seemed scummy ". This looks like a last minute hedge preparing for summit to flip scum.

In fact, looking at seth's D1 again, I think I will:

##VOTE seth

[kgray]

Could Tom be 3P?

What is even the point of saying this? Could you be 3p? Could bozo? Could ghug?

Sure. Anyone could be 3p.

Is there anything specific about Tom that makes you think he's the 3p?

Seriously? Do you want me to post or not?

I am questioning whether that misdirection with the gun could have also been 3P indicative by potentially helping to find out the role of seth too.

Of course I want you to post. But I'd rather your posts have a point...

And now that you've explained, okay. I do see your point. To answer your question, though, I guess it's possible but I think unlikely. It draws a lot of attention to him and I think that's something I'd avoid as 3p.

It's also way too much effort/attention to draw just to get a read on whether or not one person is a PR.

[flash2015]

I'm actually pretty certain my vote is settled on flash until eod at this point.

He seems to be coasting as long as he can from his Summit vote and he's actively giving nothing. The fact he's using that as his defense still is laughable.

Since I feel partially responsible for the damo and Prado miskills and they both died with flash as their top suspect I'll vote him in their honour.

Seriously? We are on D4 now...I am your top scumread just because I am a low poster? There are four scum out there. You aren't even going to consider anyone else? This doesn't seem very towny to me.

[Nanook]

So you scumread for his response, or you just take nothing from it?

I don’t think it was particularly scummy, but it wasn’t townie either imo

[Nanook]

I think he just didn’t know how to handle it, maybe there’s an argument that because he’s new if he were scum he just would’ve outed, but he seems competent so I don’t really buy that. I don’t think the way he handled it was more indicative of anything besides believing “Tom shot me when he said he was going to shoot the leader in the poll, wtf.”




Which makes him not m/m with Tom, but I’m pretty sure Tom is town already so that’s not helpful kek

[MoscowFleet]

Also, for everyone who is insisting seth is town, consider this one post in context of everything else seth did D1:

Why is this pinging you? I thought it was suspicious if summit ended up town, because then he could have been setting up his next miskill target, but with summit being scum I don't see your point.

seth never indicated that he scum read summit D1, barely mentioned him, and voted for multiple counter wagons. Then, 7 minutes before EOD when summit was up 11-7, seth was "Perfectly happy to see summit flip because he has seemed scummy ". This looks like a last minute hedge preparing for summit to flip scum.

In fact, looking at seth's D1 again, I think I will:

##VOTE seth

This is accurate and sensible. ##vote seth

[MoscowFleet]

What did you guys expect seth to do once Tom announced he had killed him, openly out himself? I don't think there's much point in reading too much into his reaction.

[worcej]

Just got home from 16 hour work day. I will post tomorrow at work, which is about 9 hours from now.

I have a lot of pages to get caught up on.

[bozotheclown]

Alright bozo et al. I've read Donny's iso.

I still don't think he seemed scummy D1 at all. Yes he parroted a few opinions but he also gave plenty of his own, and he wasn't hiding. He was the first to bring up certain topics (like damo's inconsistencies with his reads list and his vote for me, and Durga's townread of HR based on only a few posts). He definitely wasn't *only* repeating what others said. In terms of vibes, I really get nothing scummy from him.

In terms of votes, I'm also not seeing what's so incriminating. Donny did seem to avoid the summit wagon and didn't talk about summit much, but afaik he's not familiar with summit's meta so that argument wouldn't be as persuasive to him as it was to others. The biggest indicator to me is that if he'd wanted to vote for a town counterwagon to summit, he could have voted Chaqa instead of Maniac at 5 hours until EOD.

I'm getting a similar feeling from the rest of his iso. I don't really get what he's looking for in terms of scumhunting - he's called a few things scummy that I don't think are scum-indicative at all, and he's not very helpful when explaining his reads. But I don't see how it's scum motivated, especially some of the times where he gave people who were under a lot of pressure towny points. That's not something I generally do as scum so it seems to me like he's genuinely trying to figure out people's alignments, even though I don't understand what his criteria are.

Overall, he's certainly not a strong townread of mine so I'm not really going to defend him. But I'm not very convinced that he's scum either.

What is suspicious about Donny's D1 is that he voted for so many summit counter wagons with almost no mention of summit.