M60 - Duck Season? (Director's Cut) - Game Thread

[kgray]

I think Donny's D1 looks slightly worse than seth's D1.

##VOTE Donny

I think bozo's D1 looks slightly worse than seth's D1.

##vote bozo

OK, but what does this mean about Donny's D1?

It has nothing to do with Donny. I was feeling snarky so I imitated you.

[ghug]

How do you interpret D2 voting now?

I am not sure what you are asking. Obviously a lot of players voted for BunnyGo at some point, and they were either wrong about him or knew he was not scum (although the primary mafia team could have thought he was the traitor).

You said we should verify if Bunny's claim was true so we'd know how to interpret the D2 voting. So does knowing Bunny was town change how you look at D2 voting?

To understand D2 voting, you must first look inside the GM's message flipping Seth.

[kgray]

This is pretty much my poe pool for scum now. I townread pretty much everyone else, or have reasons to be ok with them.

Pretty big suspicion:
Durga
Hellenic Riot
damo666
flash2015

Maniac
Nanook

seth24c
(worcej)
Low'ish suspicion

feeling pretty good about these reads.

How has flash done enough to go in your "pretty big suspicion" pile?

why single out flash in that question? id say its pretty obvious both him and durga are in there because theyre hardcore lurking.

Because flash always lurks, so how is that alignment indicative?

[Durga]

I take issue with putting me on the same level of lurking as flash

[ghug]

How has flash done enough to go in your "pretty big suspicion" pile?

why single out flash in that question? id say its pretty obvious both him and durga are in there because theyre hardcore lurking.

Because flash always lurks, so how is that alignment indicative?

Lurking is inherently scummy. Players who always lurk should always be in the scum pile.

[ghug]

I take issue with putting me on the same level of lurking as flash

How the fuck do you have the sixth most posts in this game?

[Durga]

I take issue with putting me on the same level of lurking as flash

How the fuck do you have the sixth most posts in this game?

See the only reason I'm even considered a lurker rn is because I'm held to high standards.

[Vecna]

How is it that in the middle of pressuring Damo and talking up reasons for why Damo is scum, you threw your vote on me instead?

My reason for flipping my read on you, while predicated on Seth's alignment, was also made entirely on the basis that Bunny was definitely scum, and given that's not the case I'm now back to being strongly inclined to eliminate you instead

Or maybe it was based on the fact you were pretty sure seth was going to be the next mislynch, and you already knew id come out looking pretty good for defending that slot?

Now that suddenly everyone is flipping their read on the slot and it is no longer a plausible lynch you need another target.

Or maybe you were pretty happy with me defending your scummate Seth, but now that everyone is flipping their read, you no longer need me to defend your buddy?

Scenario's, scenario's

Or maybe youre town thats just annoyed that im once again coming after you and you dont realize your play is different and your process is just not the same as it usually is and that my reasoning is internally valid to me.

Given I also defended seth *in the exact same post* as that read, suggesting I townread him because I found a significant part of his wagon suspicious - And given that the next day's vote was also 100% guaranteed to be *BunnyGo*, not seth, I feel like this post is just one gigantic crock of shit

I really do not see how you also townreading Seth in that post invalidates any of those possibilities. You also really couldnt have predicted that bunny was going to be the lynch. If he had claimed itemsmith with targets that confirmed he had given them the items there was zero chance he was getting lynched. If some vocal players had argued for a CC and there was none, he also mightve escaped.

[kgray]

Can someone explain to me why they are townreading Donny? I’ve been scumreading him all game.

Also, do buy that damo immediately in the moment did not believe Bunny’s claim EOD2?

Donny seemed really natural and unafraid to give his opinions earlier in the game and I didn't notice anything scummy about him at all. I think I townread him more because I didn't understand people's scumreads of them, and I thought he seemed like an easy target for a miskill. But this was a big part of my Bunny read, which was way off, and given his more recent play I'd say he's more of a null for me than a townread.

[seth24c]

More importantly, Vecna, given your two posts linking my flip of my read on you to something I'd be doing if Seth were my partner, why are you not pushing Seth at all and why is he still so far down your list of suspicious people?

It is interesting that vecna has alternatively had suspicion of me and defended me. I am inclined to read that as town but I just can’t shake the feeling it is nefarious.

Why would defending you be town indicative?

Why has interest in daykilling you evaporated?

It could be town indicative because I know my alignment. I’ve been an easy wagon to push and scum would have been happy with any of the day 2 wagons, the only reason to defend any of them as scum is to gain town cred. Which I don’t think vecna as scum would need to stick his neck out to get more towncred from defending me but I may be wrong. I think interest in my wagon has disappeared for two reasons. First that it isn’t quite as easy to push now. And second and more importantly, my flip would show that all the day two wagons were town, so scum no longer has incentive to push me, they would rather leave that doubt out there and try to get a different miskil that wouldn’t help so much with the VCA.

[Hellenic Riot]

Or maybe it was based on the fact you were pretty sure seth was going to be the next mislynch, and you already knew id come out looking pretty good for defending that slot?

Now that suddenly everyone is flipping their read on the slot and it is no longer a plausible lynch you need another target.

Or maybe you were pretty happy with me defending your scummate Seth, but now that everyone is flipping their read, you no longer need me to defend your buddy?

Scenario's, scenario's

Or maybe youre town thats just annoyed that im once again coming after you and you dont realize your play is different and your process is just not the same as it usually is and that my reasoning is internally valid to me.

Given I also defended seth *in the exact same post* as that read, suggesting I townread him because I found a significant part of his wagon suspicious - And given that the next day's vote was also 100% guaranteed to be *BunnyGo*, not seth, I feel like this post is just one gigantic crock of shit

I really do not see how you also townreading Seth in that post invalidates any of those possibilities. You also really couldnt have predicted that bunny was going to be the lynch. If he had claimed itemsmith with targets that confirmed he had given them the items there was zero chance he was getting lynched. If some vocal players had argued for a CC and there was none, he also mightve escaped.

There were a million reasons to think Bunny was a nailed-on elimination candidate, and pretty much zero to think Seth was going to be.

[Vecna]

Aside from the huge inconsistencies on how much you scumread Nanook, which seems to peak and trough like a heart monitor, do you actually have any reasoning whatsoever for why Durga is your top scumread and yet the most you've managed to push her on is for being absent - whilst immediately clarifying that that isn't Alignment Indicative?

The top 4 are in no particular order. And why would I be pushing her now while she promises to do a bunch of stuff in the second 24h of this day? Its not like her story of being busy with a ton of shit after she's just passed the bar is that implausible.

If theres even a small chance of her being town and becoming useful, theres plenty of lynches ill push for before hers.

That's a lovely dodge of the real question about what your scumread of her is actually based on

Is it? I think most town players here are pretty uneasy with Durga's play so far, and want her to do actually AI stuff. She's normally an easy read.

[Vecna]

The top 4 are in no particular order. And why would I be pushing her now while she promises to do a bunch of stuff in the second 24h of this day? Its not like her story of being busy with a ton of shit after she's just passed the bar is that implausible.

If theres even a small chance of her being town and becoming useful, theres plenty of lynches ill push for before hers.

That's a lovely dodge of the real question about what your scumread of her is actually based on

Is it? I think most town players here are pretty uneasy with Durga's play so far, and want her to do actually AI stuff. She's normally an easy read.

Like, the fact youre not seeing and sensing that speaks volumes in itself. But sure, im the dodgy one.

[Hellenic Riot]

The top 4 are in no particular order. And why would I be pushing her now while she promises to do a bunch of stuff in the second 24h of this day? Its not like her story of being busy with a ton of shit after she's just passed the bar is that implausible.

If theres even a small chance of her being town and becoming useful, theres plenty of lynches ill push for before hers.

That's a lovely dodge of the real question about what your scumread of her is actually based on

Is it? I think most town players here are pretty uneasy with Durga's play so far, and want her to do actually AI stuff. She's normally an easy read.

That's still not answering the question compadre

[Vecna]

Idk what to make of Vecna and HR bickering all game but it feels like a waste of time

How is us fighting eachother and trying to get a read a waste of time? Seems like a perfectly good use of time to me.

[kgray]

I also think bozo is sketch for how he is playing this game.

This is way too vague, can you please elaborate?

It is based on feeling and no actual facts, thus why I say he is sketch and don’t push anything.

Do you have an issue with me posting a comment like this?

The only issue I have is if you're town and you think bozo is scum, you should want to convince people of that read. If it's just based on your gut, then that's fine. You said it was based on how he's playing, though, so I was hoping to see some examples of what you didn't like.

Saying he's sketch without giving any reasons isn't convincing at all, and could be an easy way for scum to start subtly contributing to a miskill. Scum don't usually have to "push" miskills, right?

[Hellenic Riot]

That's a lovely dodge of the real question about what your scumread of her is actually based on

Is it? I think most town players here are pretty uneasy with Durga's play so far, and want her to do actually AI stuff. She's normally an easy read.

Like, the fact youre not seeing and sensing that speaks volumes in itself. But sure, im the dodgy one.

I'm not? If you go back to my EoN reads list as long ago as two nights you'll see that any townread I had on her has long been receding.

The fact of the matter is that you've gone into a lot of detail about why Damo and I might be scum and yet you put Durga as at least as strong a scumread as the pair of us without ever giving any explanation whatsoever for it, and now that I'm pressuring you on it you're choking like you have a mouthful of octopi

[Vecna]

I take issue with putting me on the same level of lurking as flash

Youre at the same level of being unreadable to me.

[kgray]

My townread on Moscow is gone now too btw

Mine too.

[Vecna]

I take issue with putting me on the same level of lurking as flash

How the fuck do you have the sixth most posts in this game?

See the only reason I'm even considered a lurker rn is because I'm held to high standards.

Indeed. Trust me, its worse for me