M59 - Duck Season? - Game Thread

[damo666]

FWIW, I would definitely not assume everyone is town just because they voted for him on D1.

I'm not saying they are town because they voted MF. I am saying I think everyone who voted MF happens to be town (well, possibly not Seth and Flash I suppose). They are different things.

Also you, why the hesitation on seth?

Only because he was last to jump after it had become a fait accompli. It's not a strong feel.

[damo666]

im sure if you ran your numbers you'd have to conclude even if your assumptions are true it barely helps us at all

Actually you're right. H e only mentions me, Macca and Yav so my statement doesn't say much. Sorry.

I think you can assume that me, Macca and Yav are not all scum though!

That is not accurate, he mentioned Fluminator, Durga, and kgray as well.

Ok. My bad. I'll rethink this.

[BunnyGo]

The MF wagon is full of known bussers, so I would not be surprised if there is an early busser even if flash is town. Even kgray is possible, she seemed to be scum reading MF for a long time but did not vote for him until the last half hour.

Which known bussers in particular? Also, is that a thing?

Most definitely

[rdrivera2005]

The MF wagon is full of known bussers, so I would not be surprised if there is an early busser even if flash is town. Even kgray is possible, she seemed to be scum reading MF for a long time but did not vote for him until the last half hour.

Which known bussers in particular? Also, is that a thing?

I mean players who historically have demonstrated their willingness to bus. In particular, rdrivera, Vecna, damo, kgray, and summit_fever. Fluminator says he has never been scum on this site, but I suspect he would not hesitate to bus.

Every half decent player busses when it makes sense, but your lack of analysis on why people would buss this way and get the Strongman killed is making me scumread you.

Look at Bunny analysis on Kgray and Seth to see someone tryng to solve (and I believe Kgray is town). This generic "there is known bussers" seems a way to divert the focus from people who actively defended Moscow or ignored him that is where it's most likely we find scum.

[rdrivera2005]

Town is going to look foolish if flash is scum and his self vote ploy worked.

Scum wouldn't be this obvious about trying to save their scum buddies from a daykill would they?

I won't discard this possibility.

[TheMadMonarch]

You said his contributions were of higher value than many high posters. I'd like to know which specific active people you think have contributed less value than HR.

Gross value. At the time, plenty of others had done more total. But he had a higher concentration.

Please name names.

It would have been you an Vecna probably. Lots of stuff, things that seemed good, and good vibes. (it's always about the vibes)

[damo666]

Durga: was town leaning but slightly disturbing attitude to Moscow
Vecna: screams town
Kgray: was town leaning but Bozo's worry about her vote pattern is valid. Monitor.
HR: bit light on the posting front. Slight townlean but unsure
rdr: seems on same wavelength as me, early vote on MF. Strong town.
Seth: bullish, possible late busser
Gold: not seen enough but small townlean FWIW
Summit: timing of MF vote suggests town
Worcej: really unsure on this spot, if pushed would say town
Bozo: very scumhunty so assume town but has the craftiness to be anything
Macca: needs to step up. Easy to have doubts about them. Unsure.
Bunny: Bugs me (ho ho). Cannot read
Food: def town if I was right, if wrong still lean town though scum not impossible
H IV: no idea
Flum: timing of MF vote suggests town
Tom: severe doubts on this slot
TrPrado: townlean
Flash: I would guess town but bussing not impossible
Yav: townlean

Current guess at scumteam: Tom Bunny H IV Seth Reserves: kgray Macca worcej

[damo666]

* nullish

[Hellenic Riot]

The problem with the argument that flash is scum and was self-voting to try and save Moscow is that when flash voted, there were a whole *3 hours* to go, and the vote count was at 4 Flash, 4 Moscow, 3 Macca, 3 Food, 2 Damo.


What possible reason would a scumteam of Flash + Moscow have in that scenario for not piling onto one of the other perfectly viable options there, and instead resort to some sort of miserable self-sacrificing strategy that severely decreases the chances of a town being daykilled?

It's not like flash took an opportunity to jump onto any of the Food, Damo, or yavuzovic wagons that came close to taking the lead later on either. I really don't buy this argument in the slightest - The only way it makes any sense at all is if literally all of those wagons were scum.

[BunnyGo]

The problem with the argument that flash is scum and was self-voting to try and save Moscow is that when flash voted, there were a whole *3 hours* to go, and the vote count was at 4 Flash, 4 Moscow, 3 Macca, 3 Food, 2 Damo.


What possible reason would a scumteam of Flash + Moscow have in that scenario for not piling onto one of the other perfectly viable options there, and instead resort to some sort of miserable self-sacrificing strategy that severely decreases the chances of a town being daykilled?

It's not like flash took an opportunity to jump onto any of the Food, Damo, or yavuzovic wagons that came close to taking the lead later on either. I really don't buy this argument in the slightest - The only way it makes any sense at all is if literally all of those wagons were scum.

You heard it here first: Hellenic Riot claims to have IDd the whole scum team.

[Durga]

The problem with the argument that flash is scum and was self-voting to try and save Moscow is that when flash voted, there were a whole *3 hours* to go, and the vote count was at 4 Flash, 4 Moscow, 3 Macca, 3 Food, 2 Damo.


What possible reason would a scumteam of Flash + Moscow have in that scenario for not piling onto one of the other perfectly viable options there, and instead resort to some sort of miserable self-sacrificing strategy that severely decreases the chances of a town being daykilled?

It's not like flash took an opportunity to jump onto any of the Food, Damo, or yavuzovic wagons that came close to taking the lead later on either. I really don't buy this argument in the slightest - The only way it makes any sense at all is if literally all of those wagons were scum.

You heard it here first: Hellenic Riot claims to have IDd the whole scum team.

Why are you generally unhelpful and what's with all the animosity?

[damo666]

The problem with the argument that flash is scum and was self-voting to try and save Moscow is that when flash voted, there were a whole *3 hours* to go, and the vote count was at 4 Flash, 4 Moscow, 3 Macca, 3 Food, 2 Damo.


What possible reason would a scumteam of Flash + Moscow have in that scenario for not piling onto one of the other perfectly viable options there, and instead resort to some sort of miserable self-sacrificing strategy that severely decreases the chances of a town being daykilled?

It's not like flash took an opportunity to jump onto any of the Food, Damo, or yavuzovic wagons that came close to taking the lead later on either. I really don't buy this argument in the slightest - The only way it makes any sense at all is if literally all of those wagons were scum.

You heard it here first: Hellenic Riot claims to have IDd the whole scum team.

Why are you generally unhelpful and what's with all the animosity?

Bunny is an aggravated rabbit. He's got a hare up his arse.

[BunnyGo]

The problem with the argument that flash is scum and was self-voting to try and save Moscow is that when flash voted, there were a whole *3 hours* to go, and the vote count was at 4 Flash, 4 Moscow, 3 Macca, 3 Food, 2 Damo.


What possible reason would a scumteam of Flash + Moscow have in that scenario for not piling onto one of the other perfectly viable options there, and instead resort to some sort of miserable self-sacrificing strategy that severely decreases the chances of a town being daykilled?

It's not like flash took an opportunity to jump onto any of the Food, Damo, or yavuzovic wagons that came close to taking the lead later on either. I really don't buy this argument in the slightest - The only way it makes any sense at all is if literally all of those wagons were scum.

You heard it here first: Hellenic Riot claims to have IDd the whole scum team.

Why are you generally unhelpful and what's with all the animosity?

It gets people talking.

Also, I’ve been trained via positive and negative reinforcement by this group that when I try to be outwardly helpful, they decide I’m “tryharding” and invariably kill me day 1. When I do this, I can try hard (on the inside) while getting people to talk.

Don’t think of it as “unhelpful” think of it as “not yet revealing my genius”. I’m sure my genius will show up someday.

[damo666]

The problem with the argument that flash is scum and was self-voting to try and save Moscow is that when flash voted, there were a whole *3 hours* to go, and the vote count was at 4 Flash, 4 Moscow, 3 Macca, 3 Food, 2 Damo.


What possible reason would a scumteam of Flash + Moscow have in that scenario for not piling onto one of the other perfectly viable options there, and instead resort to some sort of miserable self-sacrificing strategy that severely decreases the chances of a town being daykilled?

It's not like flash took an opportunity to jump onto any of the Food, Damo, or yavuzovic wagons that came close to taking the lead later on either. I really don't buy this argument in the slightest - The only way it makes any sense at all is if literally all of those wagons were scum.

Ok but why did Moscow stick on Yav . Why didn't he move to Flash? Unless he wasnt here at EOD.

[BunnyGo]

You heard it here first: Hellenic Riot claims to have IDd the whole scum team.

Why are you generally unhelpful and what's with all the animosity?

Bunny is an aggravated rabbit. He's got a hare up his arse.

SHE WASN’T ASKING YOU!

But it’s true. I’m quite hirsute.

[foodcoats]

Why are you generally unhelpful and what's with all the animosity?

Bunny is an aggravated rabbit. He's got a hare up his arse.

SHE WASN’T ASKING YOU!

But it’s true. I’m quite hirsute.

Isn't "Unhelpful Animosity" an alias for WebDep Mafia?

[Durga]

I just don't remember him being like this last time he played with me. But he did get miskilled d1 so I might not have paid that much attention. I do remember thinking he was obv town, which I do not think so here.

[foodcoats]

The problem with the argument that flash is scum and was self-voting to try and save Moscow is that when flash voted, there were a whole *3 hours* to go, and the vote count was at 4 Flash, 4 Moscow, 3 Macca, 3 Food, 2 Damo.


What possible reason would a scumteam of Flash + Moscow have in that scenario for not piling onto one of the other perfectly viable options there, and instead resort to some sort of miserable self-sacrificing strategy that severely decreases the chances of a town being daykilled?

It's not like flash took an opportunity to jump onto any of the Food, Damo, or yavuzovic wagons that came close to taking the lead later on either. I really don't buy this argument in the slightest - The only way it makes any sense at all is if literally all of those wagons were scum.

You heard it here first: Hellenic Riot claims to have IDd the whole scum team.

Isn't a possible logical conclusion of HR's argument that flash is town?

[BunnyGo]

I just don't remember him being like this last time he played with me. But he did get miskilled d1 so I might not have paid that much attention. I do remember thinking he was obv town, which I do not think so here.

Yes. But only you thought that last time. I don’t know why. Here, I’m still providing the same try hard analysis. I’m just being Dumb Bunny (TM) while doing so. Stop trying to get me miskilled. Let’s try to miskill worcej or Seth instead!

[BunnyGo]

The problem with the argument that flash is scum and was self-voting to try and save Moscow is that when flash voted, there were a whole *3 hours* to go, and the vote count was at 4 Flash, 4 Moscow, 3 Macca, 3 Food, 2 Damo.


What possible reason would a scumteam of Flash + Moscow have in that scenario for not piling onto one of the other perfectly viable options there, and instead resort to some sort of miserable self-sacrificing strategy that severely decreases the chances of a town being daykilled?

It's not like flash took an opportunity to jump onto any of the Food, Damo, or yavuzovic wagons that came close to taking the lead later on either. I really don't buy this argument in the slightest - The only way it makes any sense at all is if literally all of those wagons were scum.

You heard it here first: Hellenic Riot claims to have IDd the whole scum team.

Isn't a possible logical conclusion of HR's argument that flash is town?

Absolutely. But I was summarizing his conclusion at the end. It seemed he was working up to it.