Mafia 57 Matrix

[BunnyGo]

Remember when Jamie didn’t understand how the Chosen One worked? I intially thought it was funny because he was yelling at people not to narrow the pool for scum and then immediately outed himself as not the chosen one.

But revisiting that, I find it hard to believe that scum Jamie would not know the setup were he in a scum daychat. He could fake that to get townread like I’m doing now, but I lean town because of this.

Damo screwed it up too...he had a daychat.

[Jamiet99uk]

Remember when Jamie didn’t understand how the Chosen One worked? I intially thought it was funny because he was yelling at people not to narrow the pool for scum and then immediately outed himself as not the chosen one.

But revisiting that, I find it hard to believe that scum Jamie would not know the setup were he in a scum daychat. He could fake that to get townread like I’m doing now, but I lean town because of this.

You admit that you are faking things for towncred?

[Tom Bombadil]

Remember when Jamie didn’t understand how the Chosen One worked? I intially thought it was funny because he was yelling at people not to narrow the pool for scum and then immediately outed himself as not the chosen one.

But revisiting that, I find it hard to believe that scum Jamie would not know the setup were he in a scum daychat. He could fake that to get townread like I’m doing now, but I lean town because of this.

You admit that you are faking things for towncred?

No - sorry bad grammar in my haste. I was saying you could be faking to gain towncred (like the townread I’m now giving you).

[BunnyGo]

I’m still waiting on anyone else to do EOD1 analysis.

I have some thoughts. But would like someone else to go digging too.

I think that EMC was saved.

Who do you think knowingly saved him?

[Nanook]

##VOTE NANOOK

Townie naked vote

Dang and I was prepared to scumread you too, oh well win some lose some

[Jamiet99uk]

I’m still waiting on anyone else to do EOD1 analysis.

I have some thoughts. But would like someone else to go digging too.

I think that EMC was saved.

Who do you think knowingly saved him?

Looks like you and/or HR.

[Jamiet99uk]

Remember when Jamie didn’t understand how the Chosen One worked? I intially thought it was funny because he was yelling at people not to narrow the pool for scum and then immediately outed himself as not the chosen one.

But revisiting that, I find it hard to believe that scum Jamie would not know the setup were he in a scum daychat. He could fake that to get townread like I’m doing now, but I lean town because of this.

You admit that you are faking things for towncred?

No - sorry bad grammar in my haste. I was saying you could be faking to gain towncred (like the townread I’m now giving you).

Ah I see yes.

In fact your townread on me is quite accurate.

[Jamiet99uk]

##VOTE NANOOK

Townie naked vote

Dang and I was prepared to scumread you too, oh well win some lose some

I don't think you are going to make much money today.

[Nanook]

Why?

1) his interaction regarding the possibility of damo being scum seemed sincere.
2) I think he has been willing to say what he is thinking in the moment.
3) he correctly townreads me for very similar reasons as the other time we played. I don’t think he would be pocketing me as he apparently doesn’t remember playing with me. We were both town. I lasted deep into the game and while he scumreads were shit, HR said I played well because I was really easy to townread - and a similar instance is happening here.

Interesting, I certainly don't recall that game but I do like easy townreads.

Slightly strange turn of events, though I don't think it's a huge surprise scum didn't kill damo. It does shine D1 into a different light however, so there's some read adjusting to do there. The fact that almost all the EoD1 wagons were probably on town with a probable maximum of one scum wagon means that there's a pretty good chance a lot of the scum were not involved in the EoD votechanging bonanza.

On the flipside, neither of my two main scumreads are dead, and both are doing the barest of minimums. I'm quite down with a ##vote Nanook here, as there's some very notable inconsistencies there now:

Inconsistency #1: The early vote to 'break the tie' and ensuing statement about how easy it is to get reads off people's reactions to such an event... But there has never been a single Nanook attempt to actually read into the EoD1 and the fact that a tie very nearly happened. If it's such a good source of reads, where are they? It's not like you've not been prodded about exactly this analysis enough times, either.

Inconsistency #2: Following on from that, Nanook develops a strong scumread on DemonRHK out of nowhere at the start of D2 on the justification that Nanook 'hated their play D1'. DemonRHK was not involved in all the vote-flopping D1, and was only minimally around at all at EoD. Not once D1 did Nanook suggest they hated DemonRHK's play - Or indeed so much as place a single thought about it at the time. Where's the sudden hate come from?

Inconsistency #3: At the start of D2, Nanook posts that they think posting at night is bad for town so they won't be doing it as their explanation for their absence N1. They then spend the entirety of N2 shitting on DemonRHK and then shitting again on anyone who hadn't fully understood the setup. Aside from how bitterposts sniping at town is just scum coast strategy 101, there's also the fact that Nanook himself felt the need to query Damo's initial 100% vote on Demon - guess reading comprehension issues only apply to other people



As for my other reads: Tom's still very town, goldie & Bunny also look quite town, and I don't really think Hamilton Brian was forcing that confusion last night so I'm leaning town on him too. Bismarck's still scum, and there's also probably at least one scum in the people doing literally nothing (Temasek, TFB, & therul, though the latter is a different kind of nothing). And I suspect that if there was a scum-driven wagon D1 it was the damo wagon, and therefore rdrivera is also someone to keep an eye on.

1. I got lazy

2. I reread him over night, didn’t/don’t talk about reads at night for previously discussed reasons

3a. Shitting on bad play isn’t making a read
3b. I also almost immediately figured It out on my own without needing someone to hold my hand through it

[BunnyGo]

I think that EMC was saved.

Who do you think knowingly saved him?

Looks like you and/or HR.

Sounds reasonable if EMC is scum.

Now, if EMC is town, then what's going on D1?

[rdrivera2005]

I’m still waiting on anyone else to do EOD1 analysis.

I have some thoughts. But would like someone else to go digging too.

I think that EMC was saved.

So, do you think Bunny saved emc or anyone else?

[Nanook]

##VOTE NANOOK

Townie naked vote

Dang and I was prepared to scumread you too, oh well win some lose some

I don't think you are going to make much money today.

Idk we’ll see, day is young yet

[Nanook]

##VOTE Hellenic Riot

As a friend likes to say, hypocrisy is a staple of the civilian playbook

[BunnyGo]

I’m still waiting on anyone else to do EOD1 analysis.

I have some thoughts. But would like someone else to go digging too.

I think that EMC was saved.

So, do you think Bunny saved emc or anyone else?

Already asked and answered.

Were you around EOD1?

[Tom Bombadil]

##VOTE Hellenic Riot

As a friend likes to say, hypocrisy is a staple of the civilian playbook

HRs made several reads - it’s weird that you are pushing the narrative that he is shitting on bad play and not making reads.

[Hellenic Riot]

1) his interaction regarding the possibility of damo being scum seemed sincere.
2) I think he has been willing to say what he is thinking in the moment.
3) he correctly townreads me for very similar reasons as the other time we played. I don’t think he would be pocketing me as he apparently doesn’t remember playing with me. We were both town. I lasted deep into the game and while he scumreads were shit, HR said I played well because I was really easy to townread - and a similar instance is happening here.

Interesting, I certainly don't recall that game but I do like easy townreads.

Slightly strange turn of events, though I don't think it's a huge surprise scum didn't kill damo. It does shine D1 into a different light however, so there's some read adjusting to do there. The fact that almost all the EoD1 wagons were probably on town with a probable maximum of one scum wagon means that there's a pretty good chance a lot of the scum were not involved in the EoD votechanging bonanza.

On the flipside, neither of my two main scumreads are dead, and both are doing the barest of minimums. I'm quite down with a ##vote Nanook here, as there's some very notable inconsistencies there now:

Inconsistency #1: The early vote to 'break the tie' and ensuing statement about how easy it is to get reads off people's reactions to such an event... But there has never been a single Nanook attempt to actually read into the EoD1 and the fact that a tie very nearly happened. If it's such a good source of reads, where are they? It's not like you've not been prodded about exactly this analysis enough times, either.

Inconsistency #2: Following on from that, Nanook develops a strong scumread on DemonRHK out of nowhere at the start of D2 on the justification that Nanook 'hated their play D1'. DemonRHK was not involved in all the vote-flopping D1, and was only minimally around at all at EoD. Not once D1 did Nanook suggest they hated DemonRHK's play - Or indeed so much as place a single thought about it at the time. Where's the sudden hate come from?

Inconsistency #3: At the start of D2, Nanook posts that they think posting at night is bad for town so they won't be doing it as their explanation for their absence N1. They then spend the entirety of N2 shitting on DemonRHK and then shitting again on anyone who hadn't fully understood the setup. Aside from how bitterposts sniping at town is just scum coast strategy 101, there's also the fact that Nanook himself felt the need to query Damo's initial 100% vote on Demon - guess reading comprehension issues only apply to other people



As for my other reads: Tom's still very town, goldie & Bunny also look quite town, and I don't really think Hamilton Brian was forcing that confusion last night so I'm leaning town on him too. Bismarck's still scum, and there's also probably at least one scum in the people doing literally nothing (Temasek, TFB, & therul, though the latter is a different kind of nothing). And I suspect that if there was a scum-driven wagon D1 it was the damo wagon, and therefore rdrivera is also someone to keep an eye on.

1. I got lazy

2. I reread him over night, didn’t/don’t talk about reads at night for previously discussed reasons

3a. Shitting on bad play isn’t making a read
3b. I also almost immediately figured It out on my own without needing someone to hold my hand through it

1. Does that mean you can stop being lazy and actually give it, even though it's much easier now given how many alignments we now know.

2. Didn't reread over the EoD though?

3. A big ongoing rant is very different to deliberately not posting no matter how you try and spin it

[Nanook]

##VOTE Hellenic Riot

As a friend likes to say, hypocrisy is a staple of the civilian playbook

HRs made several reads - it’s weird that you are pushing the narrative that he is shitting on bad play and not making reads.

Uh

I didn’t say that...?

[goldfinger0303]

@BunnyGo: Could you please answer Goldfinger's question about your read on me apparently changing quickly?

I didn’t see it.

But I’ll answer: I just have a REALLY hard time reading you. You fool me a lot. I have no strong read either way, but I’m doubting my earlier town read.

I don't like this response. It was in the span of less than 24 hours. You had a TON of conversation with Jamiet during that time, but didn't mention any of it. It's just empty words. WHAT made you doubt your earlier read between Friday and today?

This is no different at all from emc's response to my questioning during N2, which is in large part a reason for my vote on him.

[Tom Bombadil]

##VOTE Hellenic Riot

As a friend likes to say, hypocrisy is a staple of the civilian playbook

HRs made several reads - it’s weird that you are pushing the narrative that he is shitting on bad play and not making reads.

Uh

I didn’t say that...?

You implied it.

[Jamiet99uk]

##VOTE Hellenic Riot

As a friend likes to say, hypocrisy is a staple of the civilian playbook

HRs made several reads - it’s weird that you are pushing the narrative that he is shitting on bad play and not making reads.

Uh

I didn’t say that...?

Then what "hypocrisy" are you talking about?

Your own?