Mafia 57 Matrix

[bo_sox48]

@Hamilton - you've been on the sidelines the whole day. It's time you voted

I need to park a vote somewhere. I've been reading, rereading, and I've avoided most of the mechanics talk. I am still trying to process the wagons on summit and damo. There is time.

I think my preliminary vote has to go to BunnyGo. I'd base that on so many posts but so many, in my opinion, that are less-than-helpful. I am reading that as post frequently to spur confusion among the group.

I'll park it here now, and see how things progress over the next couple of hours.

##vote BunnyGo

This reeks of a bus to me, both in and out of context.

##vote emc

Neither flash not summit seem to be panicking.

I am a little bit lost as to how this was a deciding factor in your vote.

Why are we killing emc, exactly?

##vote flash

This vote after spending 48 HOURS trying to policy emc is horseshit

Yeah this is bad lmao

On my phone and in a meeting. Didn't realize how thoroughly the wagon had died, and my intent had been to move summit>flash>damo>summit to see when people would do something.

That seems like a plan that maximises the risk of a tie happening rather than really creating anything, but alright.

I mean, there was nobody moving at all for the first half of it. A little chaos is worth the slight risk of a tie.

Amen

we still chat?
This is different that what I am used to.

Ah yes, this was strange for me joining webdip mafia too. Here's the "usual" layout here (this game is slightly different):

1) No chatting after end of phase is called until results are announced
2) There is otherwise chatting during night
3) scum get there own separate chat during night

This is 100% a fake townslip, 100%

[bo_sox48]

I feel like I'm tunneling on Bunny and need to look elsewhere to keep my perspective clear, but goddamn if I don't think he's scummy beyond reproach

[bo_sox48]

Eh, I feel like I have a number of solid reads actually. I'll try and dig on some folks a little bit tomorrow if I can before the deadline.

[BismarckAlive]

Final Votecount for Day 1

flash2015 (5): Tom Bombadil, summit_fever, e.m.c^42, HellenicRiot, BunnyGo
e.m.c^42 (4): Jamiet99uk, damo666, flash, goldfinger0303
damo666 (4): DemonRHK, rdrivera2005, bozotheclown, BismarckAlive
BunnyGo (3): bo_sox48, Foxcastle, Hamilton Brian
summit_fever (3): Nanook, therul, ghug
bozotheclown (1): TheFlyingBoat
ghug (1): Chaqa
goldfinger0303: (1) worcej

Message me quick if you see something wrong. Flash2015 was killed

If emc is mafia, I think he may have been the only mafia to have votes at EOD. If this is the case, my guess for the mafia team is emc, Bismarck, one of the BunnyGo voters, and 2 from Nanook, TFB, Chaqa, worcej, Temasek.

This is real grasping at straws and trying to obfuscate. A lot of the people you mention as your current mafia team are simply not around to question your relative absence during D1. If anything, your lack of trying to find scum with any hint of evidential support points to you being scum in this one.
I don't know why you would question my support for recruiting the Virus ASAP as being scum-driven, since I firmly believe Town and Virus will BOTH WIN if this is implemented.
Given that, I am one that sees the value in investigating all those that questioned that strategy when it was gathering steam, and the only person that did that was Damo. Hence my vote on Damo will stay there. And, unlike RdR, I don't think I am tunnelling.
BTW, in case you didn't get it, you are now on my scum list too, Bozo.

[bo_sox48]

Disregarding the fact that the flashwagon was on me, I do find it odd how so many people hopped on like that. What happened?

Your 3p comment. For me anyway.

I don't understand how this was construed as 3p hunting. I had already claimed VT.

Where did you claim VT, and more importantly why did you claim VT?

[BismarckAlive]

If damo is right about there being scum on his wagon, it is probably Bismarck.

@BozotheClown, I'll follow along with your reasoning about Bunny and Damo. I feel like it makes sense in the immediate term.

Suppose Damo is correct about there being scum on their wagon, why might you think it's Bismarck?

Hi Bismark. I see you here. Any comments on why you thought there were 5 scum?

Hi BunnyGo,

It was clear in the signup thread, that Flum had pre-determined the splits according to how many players there were. From memory of that thread, if there were 17 players (the minimum I presume) then there were to be 3 scum and 1 3P, rising to 5 scum and 1 3P if there were 23 players (the maximum I also presume). So, since the Matrix materialised with 23 players, I simply remembered that thread. I also noticed that the numbers hadn't been updated by Flum in his flavour post, but others had already commented on that by the time I joined the thread on page 8.

I could not find where anyone commented on the error in the setup in the first 8 pages, so it is not clear to me why Bismarck said this.

I made a mistake there. I started reading the thread late because that is when I turned on the PC my morning time. I said "Hello" on p.7 (not 8), joined the thread every now and again in between doing other things, and it is true that I didn't say anything when others started talking about the Flavour counting error (I even resisted calling Jamiet scum for obfuscating / positing that the Matrix had 9 scum). Not sure why this is an issue, though.

[summit_fever]

Your 3p comment. For me anyway.

I don't understand how this was construed as 3p hunting. I had already claimed VT.

Where did you claim VT, and more importantly why did you claim VT?

The claim is useless, as Bunny has pointed out. But it was with 27 minutes to go with a dead thread and I thought I was going down. Might want to take a peek at that last hour or so.

[summit_fever]

It is hard to make anything from that EOD without knowing if any of the top wagons were scum. summit, damo, emc, and flash were all at significant risk of being killed. It is interesting the BunnyGo voters were not around. TFB, Chaqa, worcej, and Temasek avoided placing any meaningful vote.

I did check in but had nothing to say that would have impacted the decision-making that went in to eliminating flash. I didn't see any need to change my vote on BunnyGo.

Vote was pretty close and ended up decided by a 22% plurality and you saw no need to participate? I don't get this logic. If you wanted Bunny gone maybe you should have argued for it instead of parking your vote on a wagon that isn't going anywhere and checking out.

[ghug]

@Hamilton - you've been on the sidelines the whole day. It's time you voted

I need to park a vote somewhere. I've been reading, rereading, and I've avoided most of the mechanics talk. I am still trying to process the wagons on summit and damo. There is time.

I think my preliminary vote has to go to BunnyGo. I'd base that on so many posts but so many, in my opinion, that are less-than-helpful. I am reading that as post frequently to spur confusion among the group.

I'll park it here now, and see how things progress over the next couple of hours.

##vote BunnyGo

This reeks of a bus to me, both in and out of context.

##vote emc

Neither flash not summit seem to be panicking.

I am a little bit lost as to how this was a deciding factor in your vote.

##vote flash

This vote after spending 48 HOURS trying to policy emc is horseshit

Yeah this is bad lmao

That seems like a plan that maximises the risk of a tie happening rather than really creating anything, but alright.

I mean, there was nobody moving at all for the first half of it. A little chaos is worth the slight risk of a tie.

Amen

we still chat?
This is different that what I am used to.

Ah yes, this was strange for me joining webdip mafia too. Here's the "usual" layout here (this game is slightly different):

1) No chatting after end of phase is called until results are announced
2) There is otherwise chatting during night
3) scum get there own separate chat during night

This is 100% a fake townslip, 100%

He literally said this game is slightly different. Don't doxx me.

[ghug]

It is hard to make anything from that EOD without knowing if any of the top wagons were scum. summit, damo, emc, and flash were all at significant risk of being killed. It is interesting the BunnyGo voters were not around. TFB, Chaqa, worcej, and Temasek avoided placing any meaningful vote.

I did check in but had nothing to say that would have impacted the decision-making that went in to eliminating flash. I didn't see any need to change my vote on BunnyGo.

Vote was pretty close and ended up decided by a 22% plurality and you saw no need to participate? I don't get this logic. If you wanted Bunny gone maybe you should have argued for it instead of parking your vote on a wagon that isn't going anywhere and checking out.

I asked you when you were leading what you thought of the way the day was going. What did you think then? What do you think now? Keep in mind that your answer is less valuable, having not given it at the time.

[ghug]

PSA: Vanilla Town is the default claim. Everyone in this game is currently claiming VT.

[ghug]

Rereading EOD, I get the feeling that damo and BunnyGo are town. A few players have said that BunnyGo's last minute vote for flash was suspicious, but that only makes sense if BunnyGo and emc are both scum, and I do not think BunnyGo would make a blatant move to save emc if that were the case, especially after bussing him all day. If damo is right about there being scum on his wagon, it is probably Bismarck.

I think summit is probably town also, but I do not know about emc. emc's vote switch from summit to flash looks suspicious to me considering emc started summit's wagon. If all of the top wagons were town at that point, emc may have wanted to get off summit's wagon when it looked like summit might be the kill, and emc tried hard to defend the switch when he was pressed on it.

First paragraph is really good. Second paragraph has a solid premise but terrible reasoning.

So you think emc may be scum but do not think his vote switch from summit to flash is scum motivated?

Yes

[summit_fever]

I did check in but had nothing to say that would have impacted the decision-making that went in to eliminating flash. I didn't see any need to change my vote on BunnyGo.

Vote was pretty close and ended up decided by a 22% plurality and you saw no need to participate? I don't get this logic. If you wanted Bunny gone maybe you should have argued for it instead of parking your vote on a wagon that isn't going anywhere and checking out.

I asked you when you were leading what you thought of the way the day was going. What did you think then? What do you think now? Keep in mind that your answer is less valuable, having not given it at the time.

Ahh yeah I missed that. I was quite surprised at how quickly my wagon formed. I was suspicious of Bunny for suggesting it was self-evident my post was attempting to take advantage of Bismarck's timezone. I'm fairly confident that EMC is town given there was no need for him to move off me. I doubt I survive if EMC doesn't move. Perhaps there is benefit in getting flash taken out and leaving me for later, but EMC is striking me as town.

Only half the players were active at end of day. I'm guessing the main wagons are town heavy and the active players are probably town heavy.

[ghug]

@ghug I provided justification in my vote. Typing that out on my phone took some time, so I hadn't even seen the wagon form on emc. But considering Bunny and Jamiet (two of my 3 top town reads at the time) were on the wagon, I didn't mind damo and flash joining since it was a counter-wagon to their wagon.

Bunny not staying on the wagon of the person they've wanted dead the whole day is susp as hell though.

It was one sentence. It was also based on the same blatant misread as the rest of the wagon. You also don't have the benefit of being able to use stupidity as an excuse.

[Temasek22]

Hey all. Just logged on for the first time since I subbed in. Will now try and read stuff I guess

[ghug]

Vote was pretty close and ended up decided by a 22% plurality and you saw no need to participate? I don't get this logic. If you wanted Bunny gone maybe you should have argued for it instead of parking your vote on a wagon that isn't going anywhere and checking out.

I asked you when you were leading what you thought of the way the day was going. What did you think then? What do you think now? Keep in mind that your answer is less valuable, having not given it at the time.

Ahh yeah I missed that. I was quite surprised at how quickly my wagon formed. I was suspicious of Bunny for suggesting it was self-evident my post was attempting to take advantage of Bismarck's timezone. I'm fairly confident that EMC is town given there was no need for him to move off me. I doubt I survive if EMC doesn't move. Perhaps there is benefit in getting flash taken out and leaving me for later, but EMC is striking me as town.

Only half the players were active at end of day. I'm guessing the main wagons are town heavy and the active players are probably town heavy.

What do you make of the late emc wagon that seemed to form solely because people were confused who he was addressing with a post.

[ghug]

Hey all. Just logged on for the first time since I subbed in. Will now try and read stuff I guess

Who are your scumbuddies?

[ghug]

@gold, when did you get back online before EoD?

@damo, why emc?

@Riot, why flash?

[Hellenic Riot]

@gold, when did you get back online before EoD?

@damo, why emc?

@Riot, why flash?

Because voting Bismarck was useless, I felt the wagon on emc was utter horseshit, and flash was one of those who had instantly joined it and was also a possible vote who I did not townread. Much like last game I was trusting to luck that flash might be scum in a situation where I was voting to stop someone being eliminated (emc) more than actually particularly wanting my vote there.

[damo666]

@gold, when did you get back online before EoD?

@damo, why emc?

@Riot, why flash?

I found his exchange with summit odd.

I also didn't think Bunny or Flash were scum so they weren't an option for me.