Mafia 57 Matrix

[dargorygel]

##vote e.m.c^42
I am following Bunny and Jamie's lead on this.
I am leaving for the night, and I doubt a lynch will happen while I am gone.
See you all in 15 hours or less.

##GM NOTE
I am not sure if this is the only example... but please refrain from using 'lynch' terminology. Thanks.

[BismarckAlive]

Hi Bismark. I see you here. Any comments on why you thought there were 5 scum?

Hi BunnyGo,

It was clear in the signup thread, that Flum had pre-determined the splits according to how many players there were. From memory of that thread, if there were 17 players (the minimum I presume) then there were to be 3 scum and 1 3P, rising to 5 scum and 1 3P if there were 23 players (the maximum I also presume). So, since the Matrix materialised with 23 players, I simply remembered that thread. I also noticed that the numbers hadn't been updated by Flum in his flavour post, but others had already commented on that by the time I joined the thread on page 8.

[BunnyGo]

Hi Bismark. I see you here. Any comments on why you thought there were 5 scum?

Hi BunnyGo,

It was clear in the signup thread, that Flum had pre-determined the splits according to how many players there were. From memory of that thread, if there were 17 players (the minimum I presume) then there were to be 3 scum and 1 3P, rising to 5 scum and 1 3P if there were 23 players (the maximum I also presume). So, since the Matrix materialised with 23 players, I simply remembered that thread. I also noticed that the numbers hadn't been updated by Flum in his flavour post, but others had already commented on that by the time I joined the thread on page 8.

Cool!

Any thoughts about the game so far?

[BismarckAlive]

[Stuff cut, but you +1's this post]

@BismarkAlive, reminder that you can't +1 posts (unless you are me, and wanted to +1 everything lol)

OK!Received and understood. Sincere apologies everybody / @GM!

[BunnyGo]

[Stuff cut, but you +1's this post]

@BismarkAlive, reminder that you can't +1 posts (unless you are me, and wanted to +1 everything lol)

OK!Received and understood. Sincere apologies everybody / @GM!

The sentiment was appreciated by me.

[Jamiet99uk]

I was not saying anything about the Chosen One.

The Chosen One does not know who they are at the start of the game; they think they are just a VT.

This is irrelevant to my response to Ghug.

WHAT?! Why is there a PM for them in the opening post?!

Jamie is wrong. You are correct.

Jamie is not wrong. Please see the highlighted text from the setup post:

Role PMs

Town:

You are a Vanilla Townie. You are the most important role. You have become aware that the world is but an illusion. You must do your best in finding the agents and getting them killed with your voice and vote. The town wins if all 4 agents are dead. Maybe someone will eventually redpill you and you'll join something bigger?

One Vanilla Townie will appear as the Chosen one in the oracle scan. This player will not know, and will not be revealed on flip.

This clearly says that the Chosen One does not know they are the Chosen One, they must therefore get a VT PM.

##CALL GM is this correct?

[BunnyGo]

WHAT?! Why is there a PM for them in the opening post?!

Jamie is wrong. You are correct.

Jamie is not wrong. Please see the highlighted text from the setup post:

Role PMs

Town:

You are a Vanilla Townie. You are the most important role. You have become aware that the world is but an illusion. You must do your best in finding the agents and getting them killed with your voice and vote. The town wins if all 4 agents are dead. Maybe someone will eventually redpill you and you'll join something bigger?

One Vanilla Townie will appear as the Chosen one in the oracle scan. This player will not know, and will not be revealed on flip.

This clearly says that the Chosen One does not know they are the Chosen One, they must therefore get a VT PM.

##CALL GM is this correct?

I don't know what "miller" means (I could look it up somewhere online, but I'm not going to), but it appears there's a "fake" chosen one and a real one. There's also a scum who can appear as the chosen one to the NEB.

So when they scan someone and get a "chosen one" response, they actually only have 1/3 odds (yes yes...this isn' about odds, but still NEB scanned them for a reason) of finding the real chosen one.

##CALL GM did I get it right?

[Tom Bombadil]

WHAT?! Why is there a PM for them in the opening post?!

Jamie is wrong. You are correct.

Jamie is not wrong. Please see the highlighted text from the setup post:

Role PMs

Town:

You are a Vanilla Townie. You are the most important role. You have become aware that the world is but an illusion. You must do your best in finding the agents and getting them killed with your voice and vote. The town wins if all 4 agents are dead. Maybe someone will eventually redpill you and you'll join something bigger?

One Vanilla Townie will appear as the Chosen one in the oracle scan. This player will not know, and will not be revealed on flip.

This clearly says that the Chosen One does not know they are the Chosen One, they must therefore get a VT PM.

##CALL GM is this correct?

There is a Chosen One who knows who they are and a Chosen One Miller who just gets the normal VT PM.

[rdrivera2005]

@Jamie sorry I got it wrong. Having reread you were clearly warning people not to claim VT.

My mistake (which is NAI in mpov but individuals can think what they like).

Having reread I now am wondering about rdr whose post I shouldn't have commented on so readily.

##vote rdr

Care to explain why?

Your reference to the Chosen has nothing to do with Jamiet and you are blatantly lying.

##vote Damo

[Jamiet99uk]

Huh.

I did not realise about the Miller. Thanks for the corrections.

I assumed the flavour of "You are the most important" in the VT role PM implied that all the VTs might think they could be the Chosen One.

Certainly when I commented to Ghug I was not making reference to the Chosen One. My point was a general one, applicable in any game, which is that you should NOT CLAIM VT because this helps the scum narrow down who the PRs might be. You see?

[Tom Bombadil]

##vote summit

I’ve got some town reads, but no real scum leans so far.

I’m comfortable voting a lurker.

[goldfinger0303]

Hey @worcej - I think you're officially our longest lurker now. Where have ya been, buddy?

##vote worcej

[Foxcastle]

I'm sorry you're feeling attacked, or like I'm being too careful. When I think people don't understand me I try to be more precise. As has been pointed out in other games, I sometimes have trouble expressing myself in ways others hear as I intend.

I have no dog in this bickering. I honestly don't care. Hard for me to bicker when that's the case. I'm happy to bicker about whether we're "f*$%ing bickering."

As for 100% teammates? I don't know. You just showed up. I have no real read on you.

Do you know if we're teammates?

Yes.

You just claimed you're scum.

Did anyone else see this?

BunnyGo, have you played with Bo_sox before?

[BunnyGo]

Yes.

You just claimed you're scum.

Did anyone else see this?

BunnyGo, have you played with Bo_sox before?

Yes, but not enough to get a strong read on him.

Contrast this with you, where I have a read, but have noticed that I need to consciously pay attention to you or somehow you're invisible.

[Foxcastle]

You just claimed you're scum.

Did anyone else see this?

BunnyGo, have you played with Bo_sox before?

Yes, but not enough to get a strong read on him.

Contrast this with you, where I have a read, but have noticed that I need to consciously pay attention to you or somehow you're invisible.

Yeah, I often feel that way about Flash. How do you feel about Flash?

[BunnyGo]

BunnyGo, have you played with Bo_sox before?

Yes, but not enough to get a strong read on him.

Contrast this with you, where I have a read, but have noticed that I need to consciously pay attention to you or somehow you're invisible.

Yeah, I often feel that way about Flash. How do you feel about Flash?

That despite him being more experienced than I am (I think?) always seems to play in a way I think of as new. But again, that's just my gut.

This game, he seems mostly absent so far. But so do many.

[dargorygel]

##GM NOTE
The Bot will now be counting "## Vote No-Kill" in the way it used to count, "##Vote No-Lynch."

(thanks, Peter!)

[Fluminator]

##GM Note

One player this game got a role PM saying they were the chosen one and they are the real deal.

One player this game got a role PM saying they were Vanilla Townie but will still appear as the Chosen on scan. They are not the one. They are a FAKE.

[bozotheclown]

##VOTE No-Kill

[bozotheclown]

Hi Bismark. I see you here. Any comments on why you thought there were 5 scum?

Hi BunnyGo,

It was clear in the signup thread, that Flum had pre-determined the splits according to how many players there were. From memory of that thread, if there were 17 players (the minimum I presume) then there were to be 3 scum and 1 3P, rising to 5 scum and 1 3P if there were 23 players (the maximum I also presume). So, since the Matrix materialised with 23 players, I simply remembered that thread. I also noticed that the numbers hadn't been updated by Flum in his flavour post, but others had already commented on that by the time I joined the thread on page 8.

Can you point out where someone had commented on that by page 8?