MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]

[teacon7]

Flav - I would like to read your version of this. Everything you teach me is almost the opposite of what I was told in the first two games. I'm going to reconsider how much of that guide I was going to incorporate into this game.

I for one would love to know what Flav's guide to mafia looks like.

You're pushing it so hard and so frequently that we risk making this an echo chamber and drowning out other people. There's still people lurking hard. There's people who have just dropped in for one or two poorly written comments that show that they haven't really been reading the thread. And because the conversation is fixed on this, they're not getting pressure.

This is true, but would be true anyway. Lurkers are gonna lurk. Agree about the echo chamber though

Who would you like to see talk more, @gold?

[Jamiet99uk]

I'd like to see more talking from Tom Bombadil and (gulp) Vecna.

[Jamiet99uk]

And Bozo. Bozo has posted one line of gibberish and vanished.

[goldfinger0303]

BH's targets are random, so it really matters very little in regard to those targets how we decide our lynches. We basically have to ignore the BH and hope they die before their targets do.

It doesn't matter to us, but it matters a great deal to the BH. He might have to push a PR claimant, which is ... going to make his life difficult. net gain for all non-BH aligned.

Xorxes is right on this matter. BH doesn't have to push a PR claimant at all. Night kills work for them as well as lynches. Let me just copy and paste this for ya.

You are JUBAL EARLY, the BOUNTY HUNTER

During the day you must vote for a suspect.

<Name>, <Name> and <Name> are the players with bounties on them in this sector. If all targets are killed by lynch or night kill and you are not dead, you win the game. Each End of Night, news reaches the Town publicly that a payment has been made into the Bounty Hunter’s accounts for the death of any of your targets eliminated.

You win when your targets are eliminated, you are alive and no other faction has already won.

Essentially, BH is just a random crapshoot that town can't control or factor in. An artificial time limit on the game. BH doesn't have to push anyone. Just let the game play out and survive as long as possible. It's something we can bring up in later days, but it's really not something we should be concerned about with D1. As I've said before, BH is a bigger threat to scum than town.

[goldfinger0303]

I'd really like to see more from Bozo, Vecna, damo....jeez there's more but I have to go back and read the signup list because we only really have like a dozen posters. Superstition has posted a few times but it's only been the "Wow, this is new! I'm so new!" type posts.

[e.m.c^42]

Who, as far as you know, fits into those categories?

teac(you), peter, gold, pirstition

to a somewhat lesser extent flav, tem

Huh, why flav and tem?

Flav does not believe in meta, and therefore is will pick based off of whatever his current fancy influenced by thread takes (possibly opposite of whatever is brought up lmao), and Tem is insistent enough upon playing in a noob niche that I think he might sacrifice short term benefits of recruiting in a more "middling meta (like himself)" way for the "noob safety" choices of the more prominent players to maintain it. but it reads like a conspiracy theory now that I type out the latter lol

[e.m.c^42]

Hello all!! Please have a merry game and happy new year!!!

Christmas is over. No more merriment.

False. It's the 6th day of Christmas. Let the merriment continue.

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[Chaqa]

@xorx - I think it’s probably best if you just reveal tbh.

@emc - vote right now. Idgaf who for. Vote.

[KalelChase]

I'd like to see more talking from Tom Bombadil and (gulp) Vecna.

dargo, damo and bozo (all end in 'o') seem content with a single post. With bozo's post being the most odd. Not Chinese? Not Brazilian? Is it Filipino? I couldn't translate it.

[teacon7]

I'd like to see more talking from Tom Bombadil and (gulp) Vecna.

dargo, damo and bozo (all end in 'o') seem content with a single post. With bozo's post being the most odd. Not Chinese? Not Brazilian? Is it Filipino? I couldn't translate it.

I ran it through google translate and it ...didn't turn up anything. It's possible it's a transcription of what reavers scream in the show . It's possible it's just jibberish. It's either some really unfriendly/restrictive press rules, or a joke, or a reaction test.

I wasn't able to find a translation that read: "bozo is contributing right now."

[Jamiet99uk]

I wasn't able to find a translation that read: "bozo is contributing right now."

Haha, good one, Teacon7.

It struck me as the kind of thing Balki used to do, like ♙ Ⓦεเг𝔡 ϻε𝐚𝕟𝓘ŇģŁ𝔢ˢs Μ𝔼Ｓ𝓈𝕒Ǥ𝓔 𝓹𝐔ŕ𝓅𝑜яţ𝕖𝔡 𝓉𝐨 ᗷέ σⒻ ϻЎⓣℍเςά𝓛 丨𝓜ᵖ𝑜гｔᗩⓝ𝐜𝔢 Ў𝕖т ⓙυ丂𝐓 𝐒𝒆Ⓔ𝒹Ɨ𝓷Ꮆ 𝐜ㄖᑎƑᵘⓈισᑎ. ☮

[Jamiet99uk]

Ｍａｙｂｅ Ｉ ｗｉｌｌ ｊｕｓｔ ｐｏｓｔ ｌｉｋｅ ｔｈｉｓ ａｌｌ ｏｆ ｔｈｅ ｔｉｍｅ ｓｉｎｃｅ ｐｅｏｐｌｅ ｓｅｅｍ ｔｏ ｂｅ ｉｇｎｏｒｉｎｇ ｍｏｓｔ ｏｆ ｍｙ ｐｏｓｔｓ ｓｏ ｆａｒ．

[teacon7]

@gold
I see what you're saying.

I'm not concerned about it. I'm mostly speculating abt it right now while I've got time.

Town doesn't need to lynch the BH, but the BH has some incentive to try to push certain lynches, which creates observable behavior. That'll make him easier to spot, because he might have to fabricate cases on certain people and engineer a lynch where otherwise it wouldn't make sense. This would be easier to spot+stop in a normal game.

If there's a mass claim... the lynch pool is much smaller, then there's a chance he won't actually be able to act towards his wincon much. (i.e, scum will NK people for him, but he can't push to lynch a PR). At that point, it'll be a random crapshoot win or loss for the BH. His intentions would change from "push certain lynches" to "live to the end."

It doesn't really matter if we figure out who it is, but if we did know, it'd help figure out whose input to mechanically ignore.

[e.m.c^42]

##Call GM

In the case that the bounty hunter's targets all end up to be scum, and town lynches them all - do town and 3p share a win, or does one take precedent over the other?

[teacon7]

I'll try to do the math. This might actually work.

IF1: captain!xorxes gets GM-cleared
IF2: all the town PR claim
IF3: we do so before 24 hours out
IF4: there are no cc's

IF4.2 there were CC's, it makes the most sense to wait until d2 to sort them out, as some of them might be more confirmable than others.

THEN1:
We'd have 10 PR claimants and a lynch pool of 10. with 24 hours to decide a somewhat less random lynch:

10 PR
10 in the lynch pool:
...5 town "vt" (lumping the backups in here with VT)
...3 maf
...1 reaver
...1 BH

The vig could shoot someone from that group. If they hit someone? Great. WCS they hit town. But it'd still be lynch pool of 9, with a 5/9 chance to lynch scum d1.

On N1 someone important is gonna get RB'd, and WCS town loses 2 people... but that's still okay. The lynch pool is small, and we've got a solid clock.

With the exception of town roles saving people, town still loses 2 people a night: 1 to NK, one converted to reavers.
D2 we're at: 8 PR
D3 we're at: 6 PR
D4 we're at: 4 PR
D5 we're at: 2 PR
D6 we're at: 0 PR.
Again, that's excluding the multiple opportunities for saving actions, like a first mate or a doc or something.



Yes, I'm smelling a lot of "if" coming off this plan, but I'm seeing some logic to it. It works IFF the majority of PR claim.

I guess I'm supportive of a mass claim when the captain gets GM verified... that'll do a lot for comfort level in confirming to me that the idea comes from a town source.

@xorx This was your idea. Weigh in: Doc and Reader seem really important. What if they didn't participate in the claim, and only claimed if they were in danger of getting shot/lynched?

I'd love to hear other people's opinions on this. Maybe even
@scum, could you weigh in with how that'd help/hurt your team?

[e.m.c^42]

##vote vecna, darlin' of my heart

y'all can take your park your policy votes somewhere else now ;p

[teacon7]

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aww we love you too.

What have you said that I should react to? really.

[teacon7]

he.... he voted!

[xorxes]

I'd like to see more talking from Tom Bombadil and (gulp) Vecna.

dargo, damo and bozo (all end in 'o') seem content with a single post. With bozo's post being the most odd. Not Chinese? Not Brazilian? Is it Filipino? I couldn't translate it.

Lojban.

I assume it was directed at me, since I'm the only Lojbanist here as far as I know.

Not sure what he meant to say, it wasn't quite grammatical, but he seemed to be going for "male VT" which seems to be a reference to last game. But it was in the form of a question, so I don't think he meant to claim VT, maybe asking me if I was a VT? I don't know.

He gets a few townie points for using Lojban though.

[ND]

Seems like you were softing that on vekna for awhile since I noted it last night. Doesn't show thought process. (Catching up in reverse)