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Re: Election UK - Those results in full!

Posted: Sun May 13, 2018 5:12 am
by Incrementalist
peterlund wrote:
Sun May 13, 2018 12:00 am
EU will tell them what benefits they can get in form of free-trade with EU. And they will need to accept what they are told, because it will be hugely important for them to get an agreement, but just some minor side notes for EU.
Do you expect that the new terms will be less favorable to the UK? If the agreement isn't roughly as favorable as EU membership, that would amount to a form of punishment for leaving.

Re: Election UK - Those results in full!

Posted: Sun May 13, 2018 8:59 am
by peterlund
I expect that the term they get, is less favorable than remaining a member of the EU. It will be a cost attached to leaving, but it will be better than not having any free-trade agreement at all.

It will not be possible to leave the EU and then cherry-pick all the goodies out of the cake.

From a political point, UK will loose all influence over the internal market. So when we change something that affects any free trade agreement we have with them, EU will amend the free-trade deal again accordingly, and UK need to accept. No negotiations.

Re: Election UK - Those results in full!

Posted: Sun May 13, 2018 9:07 am
by peterlund
Incrementalist wrote:
Sun May 13, 2018 5:12 am
If the agreement isn't roughly as favorable as EU membership, that would amount to a form of punishment for leaving.
Obviously, I do not agree with this description. They chose to leave to what defaults to no free-trade agreement at all. They decided themselves to punish themselves. This "punishment" was not initiated by anyone else.

They should be pleased if they after leaving still can get some kind of free-trade at all with EU.

Re: Election UK - Those results in full!

Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 2:54 pm
by Telamor
Incrementalist wrote:
Sun May 13, 2018 5:12 am
Do you expect that the new terms will be less favorable to the UK? If the agreement isn't roughly as favorable as EU membership, that would amount to a form of punishment for leaving.
If you cancel your subscription to a magazine would you regard no longer receiving the magazine as a form of punishment?

Re: Election UK - Those results in full!

Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 2:53 am
by Incrementalist
Telamor wrote:
Mon May 14, 2018 2:54 pm
If you cancel your subscription to a magazine would you regard no longer receiving the magazine as a form of punishment?
That analogy makes no sense, because a magazine is something that is the publisher needs to recover their expenses on, hence the need for payment in return for the magazine.

A trade agreement isn't a transaction that one side or the other needs to recover their expenses on; the prevailing theory is that it's supposed to be a benefit to all parties.