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Re: Government Shutdown

#101 Post by orathaic » Sun Jan 27, 2019 1:43 am

Randomizer wrote:
Sun Jan 27, 2019 1:04 am

Worse is that ICE tries to deport natural born US citizens to countries where they are citizens.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/03/us/us-ci ... index.html
Because it is not about migration, economics, or welfare. It is racism.

https://youtu.be/BGIetWAds6A

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Re: Government Shutdown

#102 Post by Octavious » Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:33 pm

I've just been catching up on the Wall drama, and I'm a little fuzzy on the details.

So Congress, despite forcing a government shutdown and the sabre rattling and Pelosi vowing to give a dollar if he's lucky, voted to allocate nearly $1.4 billion to wall building?

And then Trump played the emergency card in a bid for the rest?

So, even if we assume that the emergency lark gets stopped, the $1.4 billion is a pretty major political victory, is it not?

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Re: Government Shutdown

#103 Post by orathaic » Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:39 pm

I assume the 1.4 billion was in exchange for some changes to how migrants in the US at the moment are treated.

Don't know how Congress negotiated it. Some may even spin it as just repairs to the current wall/barriers.

Also the fact that it is for a fence not a wall may seem relevant to some...

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Re: Government Shutdown

#104 Post by Octavious » Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:49 pm

orathaic wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:39 pm
Also the fact that it is for a fence not a wall may seem relevant to some...
By some you mean a handful of Democrat career politicians who have been in the game so long they've actually started believing their own spin?

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Re: Government Shutdown

#105 Post by Randomizer » Sat Feb 16, 2019 9:41 pm

Technically the "Wall funds" go only to upgrade and repair existing walls and only a little goes to 40 miles of new walls.

Trump is already facing a major lawsuit to block construction in the next area to get a wall under the Freedom of Religion Act because it involves a really old church.

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Re: Government Shutdown

#106 Post by Octavious » Sat Feb 16, 2019 10:11 pm

Randomizer wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 9:41 pm
Technically the "Wall funds" go only to upgrade and repair existing walls and only a little goes to 40 miles of new walls.

Trump is already facing a major lawsuit to block construction in the next area to get a wall under the Freedom of Religion Act because it involves a really old church.
America doesn't have any really old churches...

Upgrading walls and building new walls sounds very much like a Trump victory to me. He gets a win under his belt and gets to be seen fighting the good fight for the foreseeable future. It really couldn't be much better for him.

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Re: Government Shutdown

#107 Post by orathaic » Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:39 pm

I just don't understand how declaring a national emergency is the same thing as Mexico paying for the wall... But the would make Trump a lier.

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Re: Government Shutdown

#108 Post by Octavious » Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:47 pm

orathaic wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:39 pm
I just don't understand how declaring a national emergency is the same thing as Mexico paying for the wall... But the would make Trump a lier.
Trump's a liar? You'll be telling us the Pope's Catholic next.
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Re: Government Shutdown

#109 Post by Senlac » Sun Feb 17, 2019 12:25 am

Octavious wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:47 pm
orathaic wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:39 pm
I just don't understand how declaring a national emergency is the same thing as Mexico paying for the wall... But the would make Trump a lier.
Trump's a liar? You'll be telling us the Pope's Catholic next.

How can you tell for sure if a politician is lying?
The lips are moving :-D
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Re: Government Shutdown

#110 Post by Randomizer » Sun Feb 17, 2019 1:16 am

Octavious wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 10:11 pm
Randomizer wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 9:41 pm
Technically the "Wall funds" go only to upgrade and repair existing walls and only a little goes to 40 miles of new walls.

Trump is already facing a major lawsuit to block construction in the next area to get a wall under the Freedom of Religion Act because it involves a really old church.
America doesn't have any really old churches...

Upgrading walls and building new walls sounds very much like a Trump victory to me. He gets a win under his belt and gets to be seen fighting the good fight for the foreseeable future. It really couldn't be much better for him.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... dcaae2612c

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Re: Government Shutdown

#111 Post by Octavious » Sun Feb 17, 2019 11:01 am

There you go. A small, modern, ugly church. From what I've read it doesn't seem likely that it will even have to be knocked down.

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