MAFIA 39 - GAME THREAD

[brainbomb]

I didn't shoot at night because I'd either be roleblocked and killed, or I could just use it during the day after discussing it with everyone (remember that I withdrew my claim in the hope that I wouldn't be roleblocked, why would I shoot it at night then instead of during the day when other people could weigh in?)

Who among rivera-vecna-yav is towniest

[DemonRHK]

Of the people being considered for lynch, rdrivera is my strongest town-read. Still feels like such a convoluted ploy that could blow up so easily to fake acquiring armor from a sticky roleblock. Both yav and worcej retracting armor claims should make it that much more evident that rdrivera isn't making up what happened N3.

I think Vecna and ND are both town. That's more vibes than based on evidence.

I need to take another look at flash, but right now I think scum cannon Durga makes more sense than scum cannon Flash. Ghug said it best D1:

##VOTE Durga

Who the fuck nightclaims a killing ability with a roleblock and a nightkill around and then doesn't use it?

You are the very last person I want to see defending RD, all things considered.

[y2kjbk]

Yeah Demon I get you're convinced he's scum. The logic seems like a similar stretch to me scum-reading brainbomb yesterday though. A number of things need to be put together to justify the read IMO. Possible but unlikely.

[brainbomb]

Squigs44 (6)
worcej xorxes rdrivera2005 flash2015 Tom Bombadil damo666

Scum perhaps didnt bus at all?
Unless worcej-rivera are both scum?
Help me out whats our theory here?

Probably 1 scum bussed and 1 didnt?

Vecna ends on a vanity wagon.

[DemonRHK]

Yeah Demon I get you're convinced he's scum. The logic seems like a similar stretch to me scum-reading brainbomb yesterday though. A number of things need to be put together to justify the read IMO. Possible but unlikely.

It’s not that. You dismissing this therory makes me uneasy because if rd is scum, you’re back on the table. Too many coincidences in a line.

[brainbomb]

As for my reads, once again I am stuck on Squigs (note: I have never read him very accurately). Last game, he was the MVP and got everything figured out and now seems to be confused about how some items worked - doesn't add up. That, and the scum post about cannoning, also makes me feel ugh. But I've felt ugh and he was town twice, so meh...

##vote Squigs - let's see if a wagon goes or not!

Kinda ironic given worcej didnt seem to get how his own item worked lol. Gamblers fallacy here buddy?

[Vecna]

Damo gave vecna the excuse he was busy until some specific day. But vecna said he was binge watching ozark- not on vacation at all.

##Vote Vecna
Lets revive this

I was binge watching Ozark with my fiance the weekend before I went on my gambling spree in Czech republic. Like, I can give you my full itinerary and a lot more crazy stories if you like, but I really think reading into that sort of shit is rather stupid. As should you.

If im busy with RL shit, im busy with RL shit.

If I dont wanna vote because im not caught up on the thread, im not gonna risk voting for squigs whom I know to be an excellent town player. If I was scum I probably wouldve voted for the easy counter-wagon though.

[y2kjbk]

Yeah Demon I get you're convinced he's scum. The logic seems like a similar stretch to me scum-reading brainbomb yesterday though. A number of things need to be put together to justify the read IMO. Possible but unlikely.

It’s not that. You dismissing this therory makes me uneasy because if rd is scum, you’re back on the table. Too many coincidences in a line.

Can you enumerate (again?) the coincidences informing your read?

[brainbomb]

Damo gave vecna the excuse he was busy until some specific day. But vecna said he was binge watching ozark- not on vacation at all.

##Vote Vecna
Lets revive this

I was binge watching Ozark with my fiance the weekend before I went on my gambling spree in Czech republic. Like, I can give you my full itinerary and a lot more crazy stories if you like, but I really think reading into that sort of shit is rather stupid. As should you.

If im busy with RL shit, im busy with RL shit.

If I dont wanna vote because im not caught up on the thread, im not gonna risk voting for squigs whom I know to be an excellent town player. If I was scum I probably wouldve voted for the easy counter-wagon though.

Tbh after how this games gone and stuff I would like a full story of your trip. Mostly because I think youd be capable of playing any alignment on a vacation. :)

[brainbomb]

Not everything in these games is enjoyable to reread someday. Every little bit helps. Im overdue for a multi game reread session soon and you giving me a memorable fun vacay story would do wonders for a fairly caustic game.

[brainbomb]

Squiggs talking to worcej reminds me of the scum player who understands his precarious situation but continues pushing some player anyway. The problem is it feels like too hard of a push by squiggs and for valid reasons. Im not sure worcej defends himself strongly.



Squigs44
Day-1 46:57
page 16
↑worcej: "worcej's Toy Stats:
Health: 60
Armor: 1 (+1)
Hotkey: E
Sight: 9
Speed: 2.25"
Is this your way of claiming armor?


From.sc2 website

PROPERTIES
MAXIMUM ENERGY
200 (init. 50) Energy Terran SC1.png
ENERGYREGEN/SECOND
0.5625
TRANSPORTCAPACITY
1
SIGHT
9
HOTKEYHOTKEY
E
MOVEMENT
SPEEDSPEED
2.25
PROTECTION
HIT POINTS
60
ARMOR
1

This crumb was day 1.
And is real.

I dismiss any chance worcej is scum.
The only way he could be scum is if he guessed chaqa or bozo had a medkit and then repaired it. Its the same reasoning for y2k being mostly cleared.

So im.gonna say its legit. And probably although begrudgingly y2k is also town unless hes a genius.

[brainbomb]

@worcej the SC2 website doesnt say armor +1. It just says 1. Why do you say youre +1 armor there? I do see the crumb is clearly saying you are medic.

[y2kjbk]

I'm smart at some games but not mafia, I'm trying to change that.

You really think Squigs pushed worcej hard on D1? That's not the impression I got.

[brainbomb]

I'm smart at some games but not mafia, I'm trying to change that.

You really think Squigs pushed worcej hard on D1? That's not the impression I got.

Harder than id expect from a wolf under alot of scrutiny

[DemonRHK]

Can you enumerate (again?) the coincidences informing your read?

>xorx makes a post close to end of night that I see as crumbing he was scanning RD (“when someone is in my radar...”)
>xorx then dies with a nurse kit still in play
>RD claims roleblocked, THEN LATER claims he had two items to claim, saying he wants to reveal LAST (avoid possible cc’s?), and then FINALLY claims sticky + armor to try to counter Yavu retracting armor for electro

My issues are thus:
- If scum is worried about xorx indeed scanning, why do you not roleblock him with the nurse’s kit in play to make sure it doesn’t go off?
- xorx, Vecna, ND, and RD all were players without claims or accepted crumbs (Worc was widely believed to be an armor crumb, and Yavu had claimed armor as well) This is four players, and if they hadn’t hit it that is a significant chance to hit the shield.

I propose the following:
- scum rb’d and killed xorx, fearing he was repaired cop scanning RD
- when xorx flipped RD claimed rb having tested the viability of claiming it with Durga the night before.
-RD then claims two items, BUT not WHAT two items, allowing him to rotate the claim from thief/head to repair/cop to sticky/??? As needed to discredit people.
-RD then finally claims sticky and armor trying to get Yavu lynched, knowing he will get two kills for one if successful (note: this wouldn’t clear Yavu as it could have been a bus. RD would bus his mother for a nickel)

RD is scum and made a slick play. But N2 makes no sense if xorx wasn’t roleblocked.

[brainbomb]

Squiggs doesnt watch our game much anymore. He used to be pretty glued to it.

[brainbomb]

If rd is scum then its always vecna on his team

[ND]

I just got out of a shelter in place at my work. Horrible afternoon and evening I'll do my best to catch up when I can.

[brainbomb]

Im.gonna do this all totally different.

Im gonna reread the whole game from ghugs point of view. He almost always catches a scum or gets pushed by 1

[Vecna]

If rd is scum then its always vecna on his team

Yes, because me fabricating a big theory to completely drive my last teammates credibility into the ground is a+ strategy