MAFIA 39 - GAME THREAD

[yavuzovic]

If RHK is scum but with lover heart, regardless he loves me or not, he wouldn't kill me because he can use me to explain why he doesn't get a NK. Read the lover heart explanation, it is also a protective item

[y2kjbk]

Would you believe worcej if he said he actually was the thief or had the hammer?

[damo666]

Would you believe worcej if he said he actually was the thief or had the hammer?

I'm not saying I would necessarily believe him but that they were alternative claims at the time and safer than nurse

[damo666]

Anyway I've just thought of a nightmare scenario for town.

What if rdrivera is scum thief who has ghug's head (Squigs or MF having had sticky). Then we need 2 lynches to kill him.

HE ABSOLUTELY MUST BE THE DAY 4 LYNCH.

He probably isn't but the risk cannot be taken. I think rdrivera himself would agree.

If he flips town the implication is he's telling the truth which limits the scumpair to the following:

Demon ND
Demon Yav
Yav ND

or also possible but less likely on day 1 voting

Demon Vecna
Durga ND
Durga Vecna
ND Vecna
Yav Durga
Yav Vecna

Sorry rdrivera but I don't think we can take the risk.

[ND]

I am actually thinking it may be Durga and Vecna. Vecna is becoming more and more of a suspicious person for me and he does fit as a partner to Durga.

[y2kjbk]

I'm on Durga/worcej now, I do not believe worcej's nurse kit claim under the circumstances, in contrast to damo.

[y2kjbk]

And I'm incredibly put off by Durga's stance on worcej from N2 through D3.

[y2kjbk]

also, worcej knowing ND isn't sticky because of his nurse kit is a great cover for him knowing ND isn't sticky because he found out rdrivera is sticky.

[rdrivera2005]

Anyway I've just thought of a nightmare scenario for town.

What if rdrivera is scum thief who has ghug's head (Squigs or MF having had sticky). Then we need 2 lynches to kill him.

HE ABSOLUTELY MUST BE THE DAY 4 LYNCH.

He probably isn't but the risk cannot be taken. I think rdrivera himself would agree.

If he flips town the implication is he's telling the truth which limits the scumpair to the following:

Demon ND
Demon Yav
Yav ND

or also possible but less likely on day 1 voting

Demon Vecna
Durga ND
Durga Vecna
ND Vecna
Yav Durga
Yav Vecna

Sorry rdrivera but I don't think we can take the risk.

I agree with this logic until a certain point, but it's not only me who can be thief, either ND or Vecna or even Worcej could still be thief. But if you want to flip me, I think it's a decent option at this point and if I were on your position I would probably be considering this
The main problem with a policy lynch started by a clear is that it eliminate the chance to gather any info other then my alignment.

[yavuzovic]

Damo couldn't survive until this point if he wasn't clear. He is what scummy means.

I tend to believe rivera and believe there are someone scummier than him such as RHK and I can't find any point about the advantage of lynching the sticky!
Looks like damo.serves a case here but I didn't understand what he said and probably don't agree with lynching Rivera.

[yavuzovic]

@ND
While you are here can you tell us your scumpair guess?

[ND]

I am actually thinking it may be Durga and Vecna. Vecna is becoming more and more of a suspicious person for me and he does fit as a partner to Durga.

quoted myself

[ND]

It's beyond me why no one reads or cares what I have to say.

[ND]

I might as well be screaming into a vacuum at this point. damn.

[y2kjbk]

No you're screaming into a record, your words matter even if many don't listen to them in the moment.

[yavuzovic]

End of the night reads:
y2kjbk - not so likely since he saved BB but dangerous to clear and keep out of pool. - null
brainbomb - I don't believe the theory about BB bussing Moscow that strong but I can't be sure because reading him town may be exactly what he wanted. However I can't pair him with anyone - maybe y2k ha? - very very slight townlean
Flash - Is he lurky? He feels.towny and he is townier as he shot a scum. Apparently doesn't worth to lynch at D4. - town(y)
ND - He feels towny at this point but commuter item could be an easy claim for mafia. However I can't see a scenario they knew commuter won't be counter claimed. - null
Worcej - damo says he is clear but I don't feel comfortable with him when he did an easy claim, it would be hard to guess other nurse died though, he is lurky. I will give him another - null
damo - scummiest of all scums - safe town
DemonRHK - He will deserve a better mark if he doesn't lurk this much - slight scummy
Vecna - I don't know, after rivera claimed the armour sticked onto him, he claimed (the other) armour, which makes him townier to me, because look, a scum wouldn't take this risk, armour is the riskiest item then. In another point of view, scum might think acting like they didn't lose the armour is safe. - null
Durga - Repeating "kill me" starts this read with disadvantage. She was weird that makes me think scum would be more careful. He wasted a shot on Chaqa - I always think Chaqa wasn't obvious town so she didn't stand out much. - scum(my)

[yavuzovic]

I will go now but hopefully be back at midnight - near to EoN.
If I die today - RHK will die too and this will narrow the scumpool for you. Good luck if this happens. I promise I won't +1 your posts when I die.

[DemonRHK]

If by some chance Yavu and myself do not die tonight, we pretty much MUST be lynched out tomorrow to clear the water as we approach LYLO. No later than D5 at the most extreme.

Clear pool:
Damo - Full clear, Bday card
Brain - 99.9% clear. Can only be scum with y2k AND the Det. Kit having been on bozo.
Y2k - 95% clear. Can only be scum with Brain, OR scum with rd and having stickied a kit from either bozo or chaqa N0.

Gun pool:
Flash - Hipfiring a scumbuddy is unlikely, but possible. He could be the alleged 'scum in the clear pool' - Town but stock falling.
Durga - Claimed the gun N0, didn't die, which is complete WIFOM with 2 docs in play. Played loose with her own life near the end of day 3, but still around. - Null with stock falling.

Lover's Quarrel:
Yavu - Yavu is playing wild. The more he says the more I get 'too scum to be scum' vibes. I would read him more scummy but Town Yavu fakeclaiming cop to get another town lynched a few games back is still in my mind. - Slight scum holding even.
RHK - Me, and I'm in Wuv. Twue Wuv. - Doomed Town.

Who's Armor Is It Anyway:
Rd - The rb claim makes no fucking sense. The only way this happens as town is if bozo was electro. And he 'just happens' to be sticky as well. More likely is had armor all along, or lost item. Armor is a 100% safe claim for scum, and recanted from 'I have two items' (crumbing repair) to 'Oh I was sticky' is off. Scum with stock more dead than Lehman Brothers.
Worc - Crumbed armor, claimed doc. Within realm of possibility, but I feel everything on worc hinges on the outcome of N3. Null, stock volatile.
Vecna - Claimed armor, Vecna seems very hands off. I can't read for shit but I'm getting bad vibes, killed the rd wagon D3. Slight Scum, stock falling.

The Flat And The Furious:
ND - Angry with everything, everyone. Bullied a Tom lynch, then pushed Durga until the 11th hour before jumping. Car claim is likely unverifiable due to the way night actions are being handled and easy to fake as scum. Null all around.

If I die, sorry for not being able to push my cases better I guess.
If I live, unless something important happens (Like no kill) I will come out snap voting rd.

[bo_sox48]

NIGHT HAS ENDED PLEASE HOLD

[damo666]

Thief Armour unlikely