Tiny Hunt I Game Thread

[y2kjbk]

Nothing to add on how your thinking evolved concerning the players mentioned in your post I quoted?

[y2kjbk]

##VOTE yavuzovic unless he can clear up his mindset here and how it evolved. There's something odd with how he voted bozo D1, and the post I quoted I think was an attempt for yav to adjust his game/reads on D2, not expecting to have to deal with a bozo alive for D2.

[Vecna]

How do you read jamiet, Y2k?

[y2kjbk]

My gut says he’s town. I think he was genuinely tunneling Ezio.

[y2kjbk]

I’m not so sure him celebrating the bosox kill is the scum slip it’s being portrayed as.

[y2kjbk]

I think the scum team is bo_sox48, yavuzovic, and rdrivera2005.

[Vecna]

Care to explain the rationale for that very specific classification?

[y2kjbk]

I was clear yesterday about why I suspected bo_sox, and I think I was clear now why I suspect yav. rdrivera is a hunch. reading back, i'm suspicious of him lazily voting bozo for coasting and making a lazy vote on DT back in D1. on that page 11, bozo compliments Yav for a post Vecna made concerning bozo before joining Yav on bozo, brushing it off as a mistake. I don't think this was just a mistake, I think it was a slip concerning rdrivera's mentality of "town-reading" and joining his buddy yav on voting bozo.

[y2kjbk]

In general, I think the biggest scum test we've had thus far is whether anyone's attitude towards bozo inexplicably changed between D1 and D2.

[rdrivera2005]

I think Jamiet is probably scum, his interaction with Ezio was forced and I thought both were scum.

Y2K, look again at my message, Yav voted Bozo and on the next message (in the next page) Vecna made a comment that I agreed but I thought it was Yav who made it. And if you think I would join a fellow scum trying to lynch a town so openly, you didn't look how I play as scum....

This said, I don't know if Yav is scum, I tend to read him as town as he is usually obvious as scum. If the scum team is Bo and Jamiet, I would look at Squigs and Y2K as the last one.

[y2kjbk]

Scum behavior in reveal vs no reveal games can be expected to be different for individuals. Scum aren’t creating wagons planning a reaction to a flip. Bad defense, rdrivera. And what kind of conclusion is “if bo/Jamiet are scum, look at squigs/y2k”? Can you not evaluate individually and verify connections between your scum reads to validate multiple reads at once? You’re being lazy while trying to sound open.

[worcej]

@worcej, Jamie, and yav - can you give reads of each other please?

I have said a few times that I was suspect of Jaime's lurking. The reveal of Ezio as town confirmed to me that his tunneling was another blind rage move, which he has done numerous times in the past. But he also seems to scum hunt on other guys and is owning his failures.

I think Yav has been lurking most of this game, with a little bit of borderline PR hunting. Other than going for Jaime and pointing out his tunnel of ezio and commenting about damo, there is little value to his posts. I am skeptical on his town reads - I was scum leaning bo and just cause Vecna has Lump doesn't just make him town... I think it's scum trying to avoid contact more than anything else.

Of the two current wagons, I would ##vote yav based on how the two are playing currently. In general, I think we're now at 2 witches instead of 3 as well. I believe, of the two unknowns, that DT was most likely the witch over bo_sox, but of course I could be wrong. I assume the soup move on bozo was because I believe souping is not savable from Angel ND/Ezio and they were not entirely sure of the situation. I am glad to know that our vig is alive and active, so there is some merit in that being online to stir up some shit for the witches :)

[rdrivera2005]

Scum behavior in reveal vs no reveal games can be expected to be different for individuals. Scum aren’t creating wagons planning a reaction to a flip. Bad defense, rdrivera. And what kind of conclusion is “if bo/Jamiet are scum, look at squigs/y2k”? Can you not evaluate individually and verify connections between your scum reads to validate multiple reads at once? You’re being lazy while trying to sound open.

I am evaluating connections, but I confess I didn't do a full re-read. You were pushing Bo and defending Jamiet, exactly what I expect scum to do in this position. And I agree that it could be different in a no reveal, but it's hard to change the way you play and that's why I expect scum to act more or less the same way of a regular game, not attaching to much on his fellow partners, bussing when needed, etc.
Of course it's a wide shot, we can't even know if Bo was scum, only that Vig shot him and Vig historic isn't great and neither Jamiet, so what you expect me to present?

[Vecna]

I was clear yesterday about why I suspected bo_sox, and I think I was clear now why I suspect yav. rdrivera is a hunch. reading back, i'm suspicious of him lazily voting bozo for coasting and making a lazy vote on DT back in D1. on that page 11, bozo compliments Yav for a post Vecna made concerning bozo before joining Yav on bozo, brushing it off as a mistake. I don't think this was just a mistake, I think it was a slip concerning rdrivera's mentality of "town-reading" and joining his buddy yav on voting bozo.

So the latest flips and new information gave you no new incentives to reinterpret your reads? I find that odd.

[y2kjbk]

Something that shows an evolution of suspicion and not a throw-hands-up-cluelessly attitude? I don’t expect a townie to be correct on everything, but I expect them to be unafraid to share honest opinions with clearly expressed reasons, at least when not pulling a reaction test or something similar.

[y2kjbk]

I was clear yesterday about why I suspected bo_sox, and I think I was clear now why I suspect yav. rdrivera is a hunch. reading back, i'm suspicious of him lazily voting bozo for coasting and making a lazy vote on DT back in D1. on that page 11, bozo compliments Yav for a post Vecna made concerning bozo before joining Yav on bozo, brushing it off as a mistake. I don't think this was just a mistake, I think it was a slip concerning rdrivera's mentality of "town-reading" and joining his buddy yav on voting bozo.

So the latest flips and new information gave you no new incentives to reinterpret your reads? I find that odd.

But they did, a heavy portion of my rereading revolves around town bozo...

[Vecna]

So your interpretation was that bo was just heavily white-knighting Ezio to that extent?

[Jamiet99uk]

I was clear yesterday about why I suspected bo_sox, and I think I was clear now why I suspect yav. rdrivera is a hunch. reading back, i'm suspicious of him lazily voting bozo for coasting and making a lazy vote on DT back in D1. on that page 11, bozo compliments Yav for a post Vecna made concerning bozo before joining Yav on bozo, brushing it off as a mistake. I don't think this was just a mistake, I think it was a slip concerning rdrivera's mentality of "town-reading" and joining his buddy yav on voting bozo.

So the latest flips and new information gave you no new incentives to reinterpret your reads? I find that odd.

How many flips do you think you have seen?

[Vecna]

Is that a serious question Jamiet?

[Jamiet99uk]

Is that a serious question Jamiet?

Very much so. I have seen one flip - the gambler. You seem to have seen more than one?

Scumslip?