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Vecna wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 22, 2018 9:23 pm

but then again, im the champion of wrongly interpreting wifom.

im still probably gonna vig in flash/rdrivera/bozo

Shoot me if you need, town can now afford losing a VT. But please try to find SK tomorrow as I think he is the greatest risk now.

rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 22, 2018 9:00 pm

##vote Bozo to avoid the tie

Please all make a note of this. Rdrivera trying to tie the vote!

peterlund wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 22, 2018 9:28 pm

rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 22, 2018 9:00 pm

##vote Bozo to avoid the tie

Please all make a note of this. Rdrivera trying to tie the vote!

Guys, I don't think Rdrivera was trying to tie the vote here. His post says "to avoid the tie". Also, he had to type all of that out, and his post came just after mine, so he likely didn't see my vote.

If Vec is not JOAT, then the real one has a clear path to take him out unless he is SK. If he somehow is SK, then the kill will fail, but they can claim tomorrow and we can sort it all out.

If Vec is JOAT, then your shot needs to go to the last mafia, since hitting SK does no good. Now that Fox has flipped over as mafia, we have some additional information to find the last mafia. Time for some more VCA.

@vec - make sure you post your night action prior to EoN. You will likely die tonight and won't be able to post it after. If your target is SK, the kill won't go through and SK will live. If you posted your target though and they didn't die, we know who the SK is and can lynch them.

Very interesting EOD. I was only able to check in right at EOD, and voted Foxcastle to try to avoid getting mislynched. Foxcastle was not among those I was scum reading, I am glad it worked out.

It is obvious I have been misreading a lot of what has happened. I need to go back and reread the Vecna/Bismarck information again.

Doc (Peter?) will save him surely (unless saved him last night of course).

And agree he should post night action so we know if he is killed.

The most important thing is that Peter saves bismarck so that we can clear/indict people if kills go through

Oh OK.

Vecna wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 22, 2018 9:23 pm

but then again, im the champion of wrongly interpreting wifom.

im still probably gonna vig in flash/rdrivera/bozo

Let me make it clear - I didn't trust you before this move...but I can't see now how you could be lying now (at least not about being JOAT). And I read Bismarck again and can understand how you believe he may be the tracker (I thought he was just playing disinterested - if you are right he is playing better than I thought).

I won't hold it against you (much) if you take me out tonight but given your overconfident bad reads on Peter, then BB then me I will conclude you can't really read people for s*** in any future games.

Let me explain my play today. I went after Squibs early in the move to test him out and see how he reacted...as I wasn't sure what to do after both Jamie and BB went town (I thought at least one of them was scum or SK). After not seeing something I could hang a suspicion on (e.g. there was no wagon on you I could join), I decided to trust Squibs judgement and follow him onto Bozo...even though I didn't trust you.

And given that Squibs made the right choice jumping to Fox, the first thing I asked after the result was how he came to that last minute decision...as I didn't see it coming. I want to be able to see this better in the future.

Feel free to waste your NK on me of course. With the lynching of the Janitor, it looks like we have two more guesses even if I die.

Vecna wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 22, 2018 9:18 pm

flash2015 wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 22, 2018 9:17 pm

I think tracker needs to claim right before night ends (right on 5) so that we don't lose any info in case they are killed

scum cannot roleblock anymore.

peter protects bismarck, and were all good

What happens though (unlikely as it may be) if both sk and mafia went for Bismarck?

ERRATA: I don't know why I said Squibs. I meant Squigs :)

Vecna wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 22, 2018 9:23 pm

but then again, im the champion of wrongly interpreting wifom.

im still probably gonna vig in flash/rdrivera/bozo

I actually am in line with you and the WIFOM - I think it was an intentional statement to make us go the wrong direction. I don't think Fox thought he was going to die in the lynch and wanted to contribute to his team in some last ditch way.

flash2015 wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 23, 2018 12:47 am

Vecna wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 22, 2018 9:18 pm

flash2015 wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 22, 2018 9:17 pm

I think tracker needs to claim right before night ends (right on 5) so that we don't lose any info in case they are killed

scum cannot roleblock anymore.

peter protects bismarck, and were all good

What happens though (unlikely as it may be) if both sk and mafia went for Bismarck?

Then he dies, but oh well

Bismarck we need to discuss some stuff. Your previous results might influence my choice on whom to kill.

Do you have any other result on a living person?

We probably also should have a different group of people we wanna track/kill in tonight.

Hopefully you'll still be on today to discuss.

I am not going to be online much for the rest of N4, and I will not be able to be on at EON, so I am giving my reads now. The list of possible scum is getting short.

flash: top scum suspect. flash started D4 trying to get a wagon going on Squigs and voted for Squigs most of the day, but after saying he reread Bismarck, he voted for Bismarck even though Squigs was the only one voting for Bismarck. Perhaps he figured out Bismarck's role. When Squigs changed his vote to me, flash followed, but first tried to get Squigs to go back to Bismarck. His vote for me put me ahead of Foxcastle. When voting for me, he said Vecna should be lynched next if I flip town. It looks like he might have been trying to deflect blame for my lynch knowing I would flip town. When Foxcastle comes back on at EOD, it appears flash tried to signal Foxcastle a few times. Particularly suspicious is this post:

flash2015 wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 22, 2018 8:55 pm

If you go to vecna fox I will follow. Otherwise choose bozo

Vecna already had two votes, and flash knew two more votes could get the unCCed JOAT lynched. After this post, Foxcastle voted for flash for a short time before voting for me. Foxcastle knew how bad flash's post looked, and we know Foxcastle likes to bus. The indication that flash expected Foxcastle to listen to him looks very suspicious.

worcej: possible scum. Foxcastle and worcej could have been bussing each other. I am interesting in hearing more from Bismarck about this statement:

BismarckAlive wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 22, 2018 4:30 am

I think if the EOD wagons are only Worcej and Foxcastle, either death will be good for Town.

damo: possible scum. We know the last scum is the roleblocker, and I doubt the roleblocker used the RB N2. If the scum were going to risk getting the roleblocker tracked, I believe they would have used the RB and NK on peter to take out a confirmed town and useful PR.

Squigs: possible scum. He could have also been bussing teacher.

rdrivera: possible scum. Good at hiding as scum.

Bismarck, we need you to give us information and let us know who you tracked N1 and N3, and if theres anything usefull there.

Also, who do you intend to track tonight so I dont shoot them?

Or well, give me like a list of 4 names in which you'll want to track.

Or just tell me that you want to know whom im shooting so you can randomly pick from the remaining people.

(announcing who youre gonna track is obviously not a good idea, so ignore that)