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Re: M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

#9161 Post by ghug » Sun Dec 13, 2020 1:34 am

aarodactyl wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 12:01 am
Balki Bartokomous wrote:
Sat Dec 12, 2020 11:52 pm
The less is said about priests now the better. If we don’t win in the next two days, the results of the night actions should bring everything to light.
I agree that we shouldn't say anything for tonight, but I think it should be discussed heavily tomorrow.

I have no idea what "results of night actions should bring everything to light".

Here's where I stand. We have 9 people left after tonight (with a potential person on their death bed). If we get 3 more miskills, we'll be at a 2-1 split with a potential person on their deathbed. At that point, we need to get it right. Since it will be reduced to 2-1 during the day and not during the night, having a priest around won't be helpful at all. At this point, knowing who is the priest only gives us a confirmed town clear.

As a result, it's very silly to wait on this for too much longer. After the night kill, I would like if both you (balki) and HR confirm what your claim is and that you're not retracting it. Then we can figure it out from there. In theory, we can afford one more miskill before doing that, but we can definitely not afford two.
Why can we not afford two?

The best outcome in my eyes is that we have no certainty on the identity of the priest until we get to 2v1.

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#9162 Post by Chaqa » Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:15 am

ghug wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 1:34 am
aarodactyl wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 12:01 am
Balki Bartokomous wrote:
Sat Dec 12, 2020 11:52 pm
The less is said about priests now the better. If we don’t win in the next two days, the results of the night actions should bring everything to light.
I agree that we shouldn't say anything for tonight, but I think it should be discussed heavily tomorrow.

I have no idea what "results of night actions should bring everything to light".

Here's where I stand. We have 9 people left after tonight (with a potential person on their death bed). If we get 3 more miskills, we'll be at a 2-1 split with a potential person on their deathbed. At that point, we need to get it right. Since it will be reduced to 2-1 during the day and not during the night, having a priest around won't be helpful at all. At this point, knowing who is the priest only gives us a confirmed town clear.

As a result, it's very silly to wait on this for too much longer. After the night kill, I would like if both you (balki) and HR confirm what your claim is and that you're not retracting it. Then we can figure it out from there. In theory, we can afford one more miskill before doing that, but we can definitely not afford two.
Why can we not afford two?

The best outcome in my eyes is that we have no certainty on the identity of the priest until we get to 2v1.
Isn't that a bad situation, though? Let's say endgame falls to like you, Balki, HR or me, Balki, HR. How the fuck are we gonna know which one is actually priest and which is actually scum?

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#9163 Post by Balki Bartokomous » Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:27 am

Chaqa wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:15 am
ghug wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 1:34 am
aarodactyl wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 12:01 am


I agree that we shouldn't say anything for tonight, but I think it should be discussed heavily tomorrow.

I have no idea what "results of night actions should bring everything to light".

Here's where I stand. We have 9 people left after tonight (with a potential person on their death bed). If we get 3 more miskills, we'll be at a 2-1 split with a potential person on their deathbed. At that point, we need to get it right. Since it will be reduced to 2-1 during the day and not during the night, having a priest around won't be helpful at all. At this point, knowing who is the priest only gives us a confirmed town clear.

As a result, it's very silly to wait on this for too much longer. After the night kill, I would like if both you (balki) and HR confirm what your claim is and that you're not retracting it. Then we can figure it out from there. In theory, we can afford one more miskill before doing that, but we can definitely not afford two.
Why can we not afford two?

The best outcome in my eyes is that we have no certainty on the identity of the priest until we get to 2v1.
Isn't that a bad situation, though? Let's say endgame falls to like you, Balki, HR or me, Balki, HR. How the fuck are we gonna know which one is actually priest and which is actually scum?
You prefer three remaining with no clears?

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#9164 Post by Balki Bartokomous » Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:29 am

I believe I know HR’s alignment and I can prove my role.

If it turns out I’m lying, and I can’t prove my role, daykill me cause I’m scum.

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#9165 Post by Chaqa » Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:36 am

Balki Bartokomous wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:27 am
Chaqa wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:15 am
ghug wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 1:34 am


Why can we not afford two?

The best outcome in my eyes is that we have no certainty on the identity of the priest until we get to 2v1.
Isn't that a bad situation, though? Let's say endgame falls to like you, Balki, HR or me, Balki, HR. How the fuck are we gonna know which one is actually priest and which is actually scum?
You prefer three remaining with no clears?
Let's say we're in that situation and it's you, me, and HR.

You both claim to be Priest.

How do I know which to shoot?

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#9166 Post by Chaqa » Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:36 am

Balki Bartokomous wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:29 am
I believe I know HR’s alignment and I can prove my role.

If it turns out I’m lying, and I can’t prove my role, daykill me cause I’m scum.
There's no mechanical way to clear yourself. Any crumbs could be faked...

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#9167 Post by aarodactyl » Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:42 am

ghug wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 1:34 am
aarodactyl wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 12:01 am
Balki Bartokomous wrote:
Sat Dec 12, 2020 11:52 pm
The less is said about priests now the better. If we don’t win in the next two days, the results of the night actions should bring everything to light.
I agree that we shouldn't say anything for tonight, but I think it should be discussed heavily tomorrow.

I have no idea what "results of night actions should bring everything to light".

Here's where I stand. We have 9 people left after tonight (with a potential person on their death bed). If we get 3 more miskills, we'll be at a 2-1 split with a potential person on their deathbed. At that point, we need to get it right. Since it will be reduced to 2-1 during the day and not during the night, having a priest around won't be helpful at all. At this point, knowing who is the priest only gives us a confirmed town clear.

As a result, it's very silly to wait on this for too much longer. After the night kill, I would like if both you (balki) and HR confirm what your claim is and that you're not retracting it. Then we can figure it out from there. In theory, we can afford one more miskill before doing that, but we can definitely not afford two.
Why can we not afford two?

The best outcome in my eyes is that we have no certainty on the identity of the priest until we get to 2v1.
because my math is bad. we can do 2

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#9168 Post by Balki Bartokomous » Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:53 am

Chaqa wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:36 am
Balki Bartokomous wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:27 am
Chaqa wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:15 am


Isn't that a bad situation, though? Let's say endgame falls to like you, Balki, HR or me, Balki, HR. How the fuck are we gonna know which one is actually priest and which is actually scum?
You prefer three remaining with no clears?
Let's say we're in that situation and it's you, me, and HR.

You both claim to be Priest.

How do I know which to shoot?
This post reflects a lack of thoughtfulness.

Yeah, I said it.

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#9169 Post by ghug » Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:58 am

Chaqa wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:36 am
Balki Bartokomous wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:27 am
Chaqa wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:15 am


Isn't that a bad situation, though? Let's say endgame falls to like you, Balki, HR or me, Balki, HR. How the fuck are we gonna know which one is actually priest and which is actually scum?
You prefer three remaining with no clears?
Let's say we're in that situation and it's you, me, and HR.

You both claim to be Priest.

How do I know which to shoot?
I'll have flipped priest by that point, so it'll be a nonissue.

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#9170 Post by Bonatogether » Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:59 am

Chaqa wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:36 am
Balki Bartokomous wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:27 am
Chaqa wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:15 am


Isn't that a bad situation, though? Let's say endgame falls to like you, Balki, HR or me, Balki, HR. How the fuck are we gonna know which one is actually priest and which is actually scum?
You prefer three remaining with no clears?
Let's say we're in that situation and it's you, me, and HR.

You both claim to be Priest.

How do I know which to shoot?
If we're at 2v1 with both HR and Balki alive, then someone's screwed up.

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#9171 Post by Chaqa » Sun Dec 13, 2020 3:03 am

Balki Bartokomous wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:53 am
Chaqa wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:36 am
Balki Bartokomous wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:27 am

You prefer three remaining with no clears?
Let's say we're in that situation and it's you, me, and HR.

You both claim to be Priest.

How do I know which to shoot?
This post reflects a lack of thoughtfulness.

Yeah, I said it.
I don't understand.

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#9172 Post by ghug » Sun Dec 13, 2020 3:03 am

The time to force them both to bindingly claim or retract is the day before KILO. If they both maintain the claims, we flip one and then the other. If they don't, we handle them on their own merits.
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#9173 Post by Chaqa » Sun Dec 13, 2020 3:04 am

Bonatogether wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:59 am
Chaqa wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:36 am
Balki Bartokomous wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:27 am

You prefer three remaining with no clears?
Let's say we're in that situation and it's you, me, and HR.

You both claim to be Priest.

How do I know which to shoot?
If we're at 2v1 with both HR and Balki alive, then someone's screwed up.
That's what I'm saying. Whichever of them is the Priest is really mucking things up by trying to say their fakeclaimer is 100% town and couldn't be a scum maiking a big brain play...

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#9174 Post by Chaqa » Sun Dec 13, 2020 3:05 am

ghug wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 3:03 am
The time to force them both to bindingly claim or retract is the day before KILO. If they both maintain the claims, we flip one and then the other. If they don't, we handle them on their own merits.
OK, I follow that logic.

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#9175 Post by ghug » Sun Dec 13, 2020 3:06 am

Or scum could flip the liar. We'll believe you when you retract.

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#9176 Post by Bonatogether » Sun Dec 13, 2020 3:09 am

We should make a list of people that we want to dk.
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#9177 Post by ghug » Sun Dec 13, 2020 3:09 am

I should donate money to webDip so I don't think Chaqa is me when I'm scrolling.

Then again I'd probably be filthy rich now if I hadn't wasted so many years of my life here. Should probably count for something.

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#9178 Post by Chaqa » Sun Dec 13, 2020 3:15 am

ghug wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 3:09 am
I should donate money to webDip so I don't think Chaqa is me when I'm scrolling.

Then again I'd probably be filthy rich now if I hadn't wasted so many years of my life here. Should probably count for something.
YOU DO THAT TOO? I was like "i hate confusing myself with him"

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#9179 Post by Chaqa » Sun Dec 13, 2020 3:16 am

Bonatogether wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 3:09 am
We should make a list of people that we want to dk.
Pros:
- Lists are fun
- It would give us a roughly objective voting criteria (since majority is town the data would be kinda accurate of a "generic town mindset")
- Easy to organize

Cons:
- Lists are arbitrary
- It would give scum an idea who to strategically night-kill, especially if scum is near the bottom of the list
- People will be stubborn to join if they think it's a bad idea, tainting the list

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#9180 Post by Bonatogether » Sun Dec 13, 2020 3:20 am

Chaqa wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 3:16 am
Cons:
- Lists are arbitrary
- It would give scum an idea who to strategically night-kill, especially if scum is near the bottom of the list
- People will be stubborn to join if they think it's a bad idea, tainting the list
But it'd be a solid average read, no? and scum are already going to be nkilling those are townclears or aren't getting any sus, list or no list.

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