M60 - Duck Season? (Director's Cut) - Game Thread

[bo_sox48]

VOTE COUNT 4.1.6

flash2015 (5) - Donny Dude, Fluminator, Vecna, Durga, Tom Bombadil
seth24c (4) - Nanook, bozotheclown, MoscowFleet, Maniac
Vecna (4) - ghug, kgray, Hellenic Riot, worcej
worcej (1) - flash2015
Fluminator (1) - seth24c

At present, FLASH2015 will be dunked on to death by Michael Jordan.

Day 4 has 18 minutes remaining. This will be the final vote count.

[MoscowFleet]

##Vote Vecna. I've managed to skim everything and so many of Vecna's posts are just completely different from his normal loose, semi-abrasive style. I also feel pretty good about all the voters on it, which I can't say about seth.

I've said this before, but I don't like killing flash all that much. For one the only scum-indicative thing he's done is lurk, which is literally in line with his meta. It's not helpful, but it's not a smoking gun by any means. His flip also gives us almost zero info.

[ghug]

Can you vote flash instead of Vecna this one round for me?
Vecna isn't leaving the limelight anytime soon. People who suspect flash are rapidly getting killed though.

Can you expand upon this thought? Who has died to cover flash? Why would scum want to protect flash over someone useful?

I'll be voting flash over Seth if it comes to it.

It's hypocritical because I've been daykilling them too.
But in Mafia 54 I remember every person I miskilled died telling me to kill xorx and then it was too late to get the people vote him when I clued in.

I'm a little spooked that the last two people I miskilled died saying flash was scum lol. I'd suspect scum to be more keen to piggyback off flash suspicion if he was town. Usually flash is an easy target.

Flash is also just acting so weird this game.

You let scum xorxes beat you?

[Vecna]

yes, if im wrong about you then this Flash wagon is probably terrible. It might still hit scum, but definately not based on anything more insightfull than lurker whack-a-mole

It couldve been maniac though. Id really love to build a situation where its not me and Seth, but Maniac and nanook that are fighting for the top3 wagons here with flash.

[ghug]

##Vote Vecna. I've managed to skim everything and so many of Vecna's posts are just completely different from his normal loose, semi-abrasive style. I also feel pretty good about all the voters on it, which I can't say about seth.

I've said this before, but I don't like killing flash all that much. For one the only scum-indicative thing he's done is lurk, which is literally in line with his meta. It's not helpful, but it's not a smoking gun by any means. His flip also gives us almost zero info.

Lurkers of the world unite?

[Fluminator]

FFS the case on flash isn't just that he's a lurker Moscow

[kgray]

Can you vote flash instead of Vecna this one round for me?
Vecna isn't leaving the limelight anytime soon. People who suspect flash are rapidly getting killed though.

Can you expand upon this thought? Who has died to cover flash? Why would scum want to protect flash over someone useful?

I'll be voting flash over Seth if it comes to it.

It's hypocritical because I've been daykilling them too.
But in Mafia 54 I remember every person I miskilled died telling me to kill xorx and then it was too late to get the people vote him when I clued in.

I'm a little spooked that the last two people I miskilled died saying flash was scum lol. I'd suspect scum to be more keen to piggyback off flash suspicion if he was town. Usually flash is an easy target.

Flash is also just acting so weird this game.

Yeah I thought of this too, but in M54 those people were also getting NK'd, right? Here, scum have presumably been focused on the outed PRs and the people scumreading flash were daykilled, so it's not quite the same.

But that town!flash would be an easy miskill target is an interesting point...

[Vecna]

##Vote Vecna. I've managed to skim everything and so many of Vecna's posts are just completely different from his normal loose, semi-abrasive style. I also feel pretty good about all the voters on it, which I can't say about seth.

I've said this before, but I don't like killing flash all that much. For one the only scum-indicative thing he's done is lurk, which is literally in line with his meta. It's not helpful, but it's not a smoking gun by any means. His flip also gives us almost zero info.

Different how?

You think me trying to attack HR isnt abbrasive?

You think I would townread 80% of the playerlist as scum?

[MoscowFleet]

You think Flum was like "teammate, other teammate, let's all vote teammate together to establish a towncore" and we were both like "yes, teammate, ##VOTE teammate, woo towncore"?

I feel like Flum is the one that gets bussed if he tries that.

To be fair, if anyone would do this, it's probably Flum.

Yeah, and honestly I might even play along with it, but I see this as Seth finding Flum suspicious for doing Flummy things, which means he doesn't understand that Flum does Flummy things.

Also Moscow would have a fucking aneurysm.

Lol I honestly would have.

[Fluminator]

Can you expand upon this thought? Who has died to cover flash? Why would scum want to protect flash over someone useful?

I'll be voting flash over Seth if it comes to it.

It's hypocritical because I've been daykilling them too.
But in Mafia 54 I remember every person I miskilled died telling me to kill xorx and then it was too late to get the people vote him when I clued in.

I'm a little spooked that the last two people I miskilled died saying flash was scum lol. I'd suspect scum to be more keen to piggyback off flash suspicion if he was town. Usually flash is an easy target.

Flash is also just acting so weird this game.

You let scum xorxes beat you?

The worst part is I blasted Chaqa for scumreading him earlier in the game xD

[seth24c]

Yeah, and honestly I might even play along with it, but I see this as Seth finding Flum suspicious for doing Flummy things, which means he doesn't understand that Flum does Flummy things.

Also Moscow would have a fucking aneurysm.

I know that flum does things like this because he was scum last game when I was traitor. And yes out of the three Moscow is probably the most likely to have still been town if scum flum actually did what I think he could have done.

Even assuming this could have been done by scum, what's the motivation that makes it more likely scum than random townie behavior?

The motivation is to solidify almost the whole scum team in the unlikely to be scum column so that town kills off each other until it’s too late. Even better for scum team if summit plays well enough to escape day 1, it’s risk but not a huge one. I know this is conspiracy theory but at the very least flum may have been pocketing the other two of you so I am very suspect of flum.

[Vecna]

##Vote Vecna. I've managed to skim everything and so many of Vecna's posts are just completely different from his normal loose, semi-abrasive style. I also feel pretty good about all the voters on it, which I can't say about seth.

I've said this before, but I don't like killing flash all that much. For one the only scum-indicative thing he's done is lurk, which is literally in line with his meta. It's not helpful, but it's not a smoking gun by any means. His flip also gives us almost zero info.

This silly post is probably further proof that he's town though....

As scum he'd probably be quite aware ive been also defending him quite a bit, and am one of the very few people doing so.

[Hellenic Riot]

At the end of the day Vecna openly defended Summit d1 and pushed multiple counter-wagons against him. He then vacilitated between two more townies D2 in Prado & Bunny, and was the decisive vote that tied Prado with Bunny and killed any chance of us staying on Bunny after the claim. He then, despite the PR claim having apparently convinced him not to get Bunny, still automatically got Bunny the next day. He followed this up by throwing shade on people for protecting Flash after he was the decisive person in getting Damo eliminated. He's been consistently utterly wrong all game - So he's either a total liability, or he's scum. The end.

[MoscowFleet]

##Vote Vecna. I've managed to skim everything and so many of Vecna's posts are just completely different from his normal loose, semi-abrasive style. I also feel pretty good about all the voters on it, which I can't say about seth.

I've said this before, but I don't like killing flash all that much. For one the only scum-indicative thing he's done is lurk, which is literally in line with his meta. It's not helpful, but it's not a smoking gun by any means. His flip also gives us almost zero info.

Different how?

You think me trying to attack HR isnt abbrasive?

You think I would townread 80% of the playerlist as scum?

Different as I mentioned. Lots of lengthy explanations for reads and votes whereas normally you're more just yelling a lot and badgering people to vote for x. And why wouldn't you townread people as scum?

[Fluminator]

Can you expand upon this thought? Who has died to cover flash? Why would scum want to protect flash over someone useful?

I'll be voting flash over Seth if it comes to it.

It's hypocritical because I've been daykilling them too.
But in Mafia 54 I remember every person I miskilled died telling me to kill xorx and then it was too late to get the people vote him when I clued in.

I'm a little spooked that the last two people I miskilled died saying flash was scum lol. I'd suspect scum to be more keen to piggyback off flash suspicion if he was town. Usually flash is an easy target.

Flash is also just acting so weird this game.

Yeah I thought of this too, but in M54 those people were also getting NK'd, right? Here, scum have presumably been focused on the outed PRs and the people scumreading flash were daykilled, so it's not quite the same.

But that town!flash would be an easy miskill target is an interesting point...

They got NK'd because they had to claim PR to avoid DK.
Scum absolutely jump on bandwagons to vote out people sussing them over incorrect reads.

[Maniac]

##vote Flash a-ha, he's not the saviour of the Toon universe

[ghug]

Can you expand upon this thought? Who has died to cover flash? Why would scum want to protect flash over someone useful?

I'll be voting flash over Seth if it comes to it.

It's hypocritical because I've been daykilling them too.
But in Mafia 54 I remember every person I miskilled died telling me to kill xorx and then it was too late to get the people vote him when I clued in.

I'm a little spooked that the last two people I miskilled died saying flash was scum lol. I'd suspect scum to be more keen to piggyback off flash suspicion if he was town. Usually flash is an easy target.

Flash is also just acting so weird this game.

Yeah I thought of this too, but in M54 those people were also getting NK'd, right? Here, scum have presumably been focused on the outed PRs and the people scumreading flash were daykilled, so it's not quite the same.

But that town!flash would be an easy miskill target is an interesting point...

I like killing the people who suspect scum during the day when I'm scum. Also big talkers. You win on webDip if you kill conversation.

Flash is a target right now, so the piggybacking on suspicion argument feels a little silly.

[ghug]

##vote Flash a-ha, he's not the saviour of the Toon universe

Tooniverse dude come on

[Donny Dude]

##Vote Vecna. I've managed to skim everything and so many of Vecna's posts are just completely different from his normal loose, semi-abrasive style. I also feel pretty good about all the voters on it, which I can't say about seth.

I've said this before, but I don't like killing flash all that much. For one the only scum-indicative thing he's done is lurk, which is literally in line with his meta. It's not helpful, but it's not a smoking gun by any means. His flip also gives us almost zero info.

Good point on the zero info, how do you feel about the voters on Flash?

[Durga]

I mean all flash did was pop in, get angry about being voted by 4(?) people, and not engage with anything else. I'm pretty happy with everyone on this wagon too

Who do you think are flash's teammates?

im sus of maniac (but don't wanna vote him yet bc i just don't know about EoD1), nook, and there's a deep scum likely somewhere that I jsut can't figure out, if it's you i'm gonna flip out, i honestly think we're all ignoring kgray too much too but frankly idk.