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Re: M60 - Duck Season? (Director's Cut) - Game Thread

#3401 Post by Hellenic Riot » Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:52 pm

Vecna wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:50 pm
Hellenic Riot wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:37 pm
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Like, the fact youre not seeing and sensing that speaks volumes in itself. But sure, im the dodgy one.
I'm not? If you go back to my EoN reads list as long ago as two nights you'll see that any townread I had on her has long been receding.

The fact of the matter is that you've gone into a lot of detail about why Damo and I might be scum and yet you put Durga as at least as strong a scumread as the pair of us without ever giving any explanation whatsoever for it, and now that I'm pressuring you on it you're choking like you have a mouthful of octopi
Its not like im completely certain of my scumread of the two of you, individually. But if you really wanna argue that im not being very capable of making arguments why Durga is exactly just as scummy as you or Damo......fine. Its arbitrary grouping, and not exact science. Who wouldve thought that such a thing is possible. I still felt the 4 of you were scummier than the people in the lower tiers though.

Now if thats really the type of points youre trying to score, youre not realy trying to sort shit, and Durga is actually right that its a waste of space argument.
No - I'm asking you a very straightforward question. You've explained why you think Damo is scum. You've explained why you think I'm scum. You have not explained why you think Durga is scum. And the more you try and muddy the waters around this, the longer you go without answering the question.

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Re: M60 - Duck Season? (Director's Cut) - Game Thread

#3402 Post by kgray » Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:53 pm

Hellenic Riot wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:48 pm
Tom Bombadil wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:44 pm
You guys think MF bussed D1? Granted if maniac is scum, this point is moot - but my townread on Moscow is based pretty strongly on his critical role in killing summit D1
I think it's eminently plausible that Moscow felt that summit was not going to be able to save himself in the closing stages - Don't forget that Maniac hadn't voted Summit at the time when Moscow made it 8-8 (not that he ever did vote him). Moscow had also left the Summit wagon when it first took the lead, and joined both the Damo & the Nanook counter-wagons before he eventually got back to it.
If you think scum!Moscow was looking for a way off of summit, then surely he would have voted for Maniac though? Unless Maniac is also scum, and I think that's what Tom is saying.

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Re: M60 - Duck Season? (Director's Cut) - Game Thread

#3403 Post by Vecna » Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:53 pm

Durga wrote:
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Vecna wrote:
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Durga wrote:
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I take issue with putting me on the same level of lurking as flash
Youre at the same level of being unreadable to me.
That's a you problem
Now youre just reasoning the same way as nanook

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Re: M60 - Duck Season? (Director's Cut) - Game Thread

#3404 Post by seth24c » Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:53 pm

ghug wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:49 pm
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ghug wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:15 pm


Why would defending you be town indicative?

Why has interest in daykilling you evaporated?
It could be town indicative because I know my alignment. I’ve been an easy wagon to push and scum would have been happy with any of the day 2 wagons, the only reason to defend any of them as scum is to gain town cred. Which I don’t think vecna as scum would need to stick his neck out to get more towncred from defending me but I may be wrong. I think interest in my wagon has disappeared for two reasons. First that it isn’t quite as easy to push now. And second and more importantly, my flip would show that all the day two wagons were town, so scum no longer has incentive to push me, they would rather leave that doubt out there and try to get a different miskil that wouldn’t help so much with the VCA.
Do you see a benefit to scum defending you if you're a likely miskill?
Yes of course, I’ve mentioned that in other posts. There is also benefit to scum to spread themselves across the three wagons so I’m sure there was also scum pushing my wagon.

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Re: M60 - Duck Season? (Director's Cut) - Game Thread

#3405 Post by Durga » Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:53 pm

ghug wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:45 pm
Durga wrote:
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ghug wrote:
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How the fuck do you have the sixth most posts in this game?
See the only reason I'm even considered a lurker rn is because I'm held to high standards.
No it also just feels in my bones like you haven't done anything useful.
Is this you scum reading me? Or just trying to piss me off? Being rude to me is scummy

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Re: M60 - Duck Season? (Director's Cut) - Game Thread

#3406 Post by Hellenic Riot » Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:54 pm

kgray wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:53 pm
Hellenic Riot wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:48 pm
Tom Bombadil wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:44 pm
You guys think MF bussed D1? Granted if maniac is scum, this point is moot - but my townread on Moscow is based pretty strongly on his critical role in killing summit D1
I think it's eminently plausible that Moscow felt that summit was not going to be able to save himself in the closing stages - Don't forget that Maniac hadn't voted Summit at the time when Moscow made it 8-8 (not that he ever did vote him). Moscow had also left the Summit wagon when it first took the lead, and joined both the Damo & the Nanook counter-wagons before he eventually got back to it.
If you think scum!Moscow was looking for a way off of summit, then surely he would have voted for Maniac though? Unless Maniac is also scum, and I think that's what Tom is saying.
Possibly, but that's what the first part of my vote is about - Maybe Moscow didn't think that him voting Maniac would make a difference in saving Summit. Multiple counter-wagons had already formed and failed to dislodge Summit, what's to say the Maniac one would be any different? It's certainly viable that it got to the point where he gave up and wrote Summit off.

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Re: M60 - Duck Season? (Director's Cut) - Game Thread

#3407 Post by ghug » Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:54 pm

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Seth hasn't been any more scummy than loads of other players, so I am confused why there's such a big push against him this whole game.
His voting D1 was pretty bad, mostly, and he seemed way more towny when he was town.

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Re: M60 - Duck Season? (Director's Cut) - Game Thread

#3408 Post by Tom Bombadil » Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:55 pm

kgray wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:49 pm
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Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:44 pm
You guys think MF bussed D1? Granted if maniac is scum, this point is moot - but my townread on Moscow is based pretty strongly on his critical role in killing summit D1
Are you townreading anyone with a critical role in killing summit or is that specific to Moscow because you think he wouldn't bus?
I don’t have a view or whether or not he would bus. It’s based on the timing of his vote - that would be a strange time to bus. He could have either a) found a reason to vote maniac or b) waiting a bit longer to get more clarity on how the day was likely to end before potentially bussing. I don’t see a bus at that point likely.

I don’t buy HRs argument either about MF thinking summit couldn’t be saved. I understand it’s plausaible, but I think scum would not give up like that with 15 minutes left in the day. MF is an ideal deep threat though, so there is some merit.

I also find his reaction to Chaqa’s claim quite towny - I don’t see scum Moscow posting “Let’s gooooooo” immediately after Chaqa’s cc, and then arguing with you about it

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Re: M60 - Duck Season? (Director's Cut) - Game Thread

#3409 Post by Donny Dude » Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:55 pm

kgray wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:43 pm
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What do you mean by "looking for a wagon" though? I did scumread all three of them and thought they were all good options. Bunny was my first choice until he claimed. My next choice was seth, but Chaqa wanted Prado and I sheeped him.

I don't get what you think is scummy about it? Why would scum be more likely to change their vote around like that than town?

I don't make too much out of the fact that 2 of the 3 wagons were town. They did scummy things D1, so I understood the pushes on them. It's possible that scum helped push them, but it's also entirely possible they sat back and watched.
Alright, that's fair.
Why are you backing down so fast? You can't answer the questions?
No, but to answer your first question is that it looked at the time I looked at it that it did not matter and that you wanted an elim.
I looked at it today and realized that you had all three as sr in your iso that day.
I had missed that before which means that whatever I said d3 on my read on your eod on d2 was not made with full info in mind.

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Re: M60 - Duck Season? (Director's Cut) - Game Thread

#3410 Post by ghug » Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:56 pm

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HR and Vecna are good enough players that I doubt they'd get into a useless T v. T. Maybe one of them is scum. Ugggh
Have you met either of them?

I feel like HR's onto something, but it's entirely plausible that they'd both do this as town.

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Re: M60 - Duck Season? (Director's Cut) - Game Thread

#3411 Post by Fluminator » Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:57 pm

I do feel like Summit was scummy enough that voting him is null.
With Prado, Bunny, Chaqa, and Rdrivera all being town, it's almost certain at this point that Summit was bussed.

Players at this point who weren't reasonably influential in the summit kill are
Maniac (counterwagon)
Seth
Donny
Worcej
Damo
Vecna

So unless all our scum is in there, summit was bussed

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Re: M60 - Duck Season? (Director's Cut) - Game Thread

#3412 Post by Fluminator » Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:59 pm

And out of the summit voters before his death was a foregone conclusion, Moscow is definitely one of the weaker Summit voters.

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Re: M60 - Duck Season? (Director's Cut) - Game Thread

#3413 Post by ghug » Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:59 pm

Durga wrote:
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See the only reason I'm even considered a lurker rn is because I'm held to high standards.
No it also just feels in my bones like you haven't done anything useful.
Is this you scum reading me? Or just trying to piss me off? Being rude to me is scummy
Just an assessment of the situation.

I believe your excuses and you hate bussing, so I'm giving you time to correct.

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Re: M60 - Duck Season? (Director's Cut) - Game Thread

#3414 Post by Fluminator » Thu Oct 01, 2020 5:00 pm

Oops, forgot Nanook in that list.
He could be scum. I was townreading him because I thought he softed roadrunner but that was wrong lol.

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Re: M60 - Duck Season? (Director's Cut) - Game Thread

#3415 Post by kgray » Thu Oct 01, 2020 5:02 pm

Tom Bombadil wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:55 pm
kgray wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:49 pm
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Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:44 pm
You guys think MF bussed D1? Granted if maniac is scum, this point is moot - but my townread on Moscow is based pretty strongly on his critical role in killing summit D1
Are you townreading anyone with a critical role in killing summit or is that specific to Moscow because you think he wouldn't bus?
I don’t have a view or whether or not he would bus. It’s based on the timing of his vote - that would be a strange time to bus. He could have either a) found a reason to vote maniac or b) waiting a bit longer to get more clarity on how the day was likely to end before potentially bussing. I don’t see a bus at that point likely.

I don’t buy HRs argument either about MF thinking summit couldn’t be saved. I understand it’s plausaible, but I think scum would not give up like that with 15 minutes left in the day. MF is an ideal deep threat though, so there is some merit.

I also find his reaction to Chaqa’s claim quite towny - I don’t see scum Moscow posting “Let’s gooooooo” immediately after Chaqa’s cc, and then arguing with you about it
Okay, those are good points. Especially the one about Chaqa's cc.

Also, I think this defense of Moscow is really towny for Tom. If Moscow is town, then there's no reason for scum!Tom to go out of his way to discourage the suspicion that's starting there. If Moscow is scum, then Moscow isn't yet getting nearly enough pressure for scum!Tom to step in.

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Re: M60 - Duck Season? (Director's Cut) - Game Thread

#3416 Post by Tom Bombadil » Thu Oct 01, 2020 5:02 pm

Damo is the most suspicious looking at D1 as he quickly jumped off the summit wagon to vote Maniac when the flash push on manic happened

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Re: M60 - Duck Season? (Director's Cut) - Game Thread

#3417 Post by Fluminator » Thu Oct 01, 2020 5:03 pm

Tom Bombadil wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:55 pm
I also find his reaction to Chaqa’s claim quite towny - I don’t see scum Moscow posting “Let’s gooooooo” immediately after Chaqa’s cc, and then arguing with you about it
I bet scum were quite happy Chaqa needlessly counterclaimed lol

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Re: M60 - Duck Season? (Director's Cut) - Game Thread

#3418 Post by Tom Bombadil » Thu Oct 01, 2020 5:03 pm

If maniac is scum, then a lot of these thoughts are moot

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Re: M60 - Duck Season? (Director's Cut) - Game Thread

#3419 Post by Durga » Thu Oct 01, 2020 5:04 pm

ghug wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:59 pm
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No it also just feels in my bones like you haven't done anything useful.
Is this you scum reading me? Or just trying to piss me off? Being rude to me is scummy
Just an assessment of the situation.

I believe your excuses and you hate bussing, so I'm giving you time to correct.
Correct what?? Your bones? I think it's kinda bs for you and Vecna to claim I haven't done anything AI just because I wasn't online much of D2.

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Re: M60 - Duck Season? (Director's Cut) - Game Thread

#3420 Post by Tom Bombadil » Thu Oct 01, 2020 5:04 pm

Fluminator wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 5:03 pm
Tom Bombadil wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:55 pm
I also find his reaction to Chaqa’s claim quite towny - I don’t see scum Moscow posting “Let’s gooooooo” immediately after Chaqa’s cc, and then arguing with you about it
I bet scum were quite happy Chaqa needlessly counterclaimed lol
Exactly - which is why I think they’d be uncomfortable verbalizing it

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