M60 - Duck Season? (Director's Cut) - Game Thread

[Fluminator]

respond if it's not true.

[Durga]

This is actually kind of fun. Everyone is pretending to be jailed so I got the stage to myself right now.

Ghug you're a hoe

I second that

[Fluminator]

I saw ghug get intimate with a farm animal before.

[Fluminator]

awww he left
Bye ghug

[Tom Bombadil]

I could be confbiasing, but everything pointed to Bunny being scum or third party. The players who felt the need to point out why they're voting Bunny are suspicious to me. HR and Kgray are exceptions because they seemed genuinely frustrated.

I like this point.

[Durga]

Just making sure. Night ends at 6pm tonight right? Not tomorrow?

[Jamiet99uk]

Night ends in 28 hours and 55 minutes.

[Durga]

Rip

[Tom Bombadil]

Don’t you have a bunch of catching up to do Durga? lol

[Durga]

Don’t you have a bunch of catching up to do Durga? lol

I mean yes so this is probably a good thing

[Fluminator]

I haven't seen Seth is forever.
Seth it's okay for you to post. No one thinks you're jailkept anyway.

Now that we know Prado and Bunny are town, you're in a uniquely good spot to catch scum if you're town. So show us some goods.

[seth24c]

Warning this is going to be a long post. Obviously as flum pointed out. I'm not a jail target so posting this now shouldn't be an issue. Finally had time to look back and read. This post looks at flash and damo, I feel there is a good chance at least one is scum and they could be teammates.

Flash pg 3
"After spending hours crunching the numbers, calculating the statistics, consulting the ouija board and reading the horoscope there is only one possible conclusion.

Summit is scum.

##VOTE summit."

Flash page 45
"summit_fever, why haven't you voted yet? At least from my past recollection when you were town, you would make a vote early."

Flash page 55
"I don't understand why summit hasn't made a vote yet."

Flash page 123
"Just in case I don't get through all the pages before I get called away (currently on 108), I will put down a vote now. It doesn't have much reasoning behind it currently, more a feeling than anything else. The horoscope also gave me this signal too:

##VOTE TrPrado"

Flash really feels like mafia coasting after getting caught in a early vote for a partner (looked for a couple chances to get summit to try to vote or do something to save himself, obviously summit never came through) that got him a little suspicion but mostly towncred. Has done almost nothing else of any significance. Extremely suspicious of this slot.

Damo
Hard townreads flash immediately because of the below post. Which would be an easy post for scum flash to use to get town cred, especially after this is the very thing that lead to the restart of the last game.

@Flum, I don't know whether I should go there but does your role PM REALLY say vanilla town?

This one

Damo also seems to put out there that he is happy with the summit wagon early, in part to defend himself.

Ok I've caught up. Typical day 1 dress.

Flash is town. That's all I got really.

Worcej a bit off.

Summit and Donny wagons prob ok. Mine will wither away.

I could vote Flum.

After saying the summit and donny wagons are ok damo looks to start wagons on kgray, flum, and chaqa before finally putting a "pressure" vote on summit.

I feel like summit has had an awful long time since becoming a main wagon to do something remotely townie, and has singularly failed at it. He's dodged every single statement that multiple people have made about how he's playing this game so differently to last time, and so I really don't see a reason to change off of him.

summit voted for 6 different players D1 in M59, this game he has not said anything to indicate he suspects anyone.

##VOTE summit

Ok piling on the pressure ##vote summit

Also

Where IS summit?

Two hours to go and it's 6-6 with summit not voting me. This is bad.

I'm not totally convinced summit is scum. I really hope another wagon develops.

If I do get dk'd look at my voters carefully. I suspect worcej and ghug are just misguided. Of the others TrPrado's vote looks very opportunistic to me, seth and MF are meh, Vecna I'm becoming suspicious about. He is not normally this quiet.

Damo switches to maniac then tries to get summit to vote maniac. He only jumps back on the summit wagon at the very last minute of the day.

This is super scummy.

town!damo suggested this in M58 and it worked out quite nicely.

Thank you summit. Are you going to vote Maniac?

Damo's day two is quite interesting. He throws around a lot of accusations and names which I have a hard time seeing scum doing but since town was so far off he honestly probably felt comfortable to just sow confusion if he is scum. He has a huge list of people he is willing to flip if they are a top wagon.

I'm thinking the Bunny Chaqa thing is a fake townslip but would scum Bunny do the fake crumbing,? I's of no use as scum until bugs revealed. More likely as VT trying to draw NK.

I am in the camp where DKing Donny would clear Biunny if Donny flips scum.

##vote Donny

I am prepared to switch to Seth or back to Nanook if either are viable.

So Donny or Bunny, plus Seth and/or Nanook, plus one of Flash, Flum, Vecna , TrPrado if required.

Nonsense. I believe either you or Nanook are scum, possibly both. Therefore it is statistically better to vote one of you 2 than search among 4 or 5 potential bussers.

The use of statistically here is hilarious damo. “Statistically because I believe”. You can hardly count the voters after chaqa’s counter claim as bussers at all. I had plenty of time to jump on the summit wagon after the claim if I wanted to, if I was scum and knew his alignment you really think I would have stayed off wagon?

If you had plenty of time (which you did because you congratualted Chaqa with a minute to go) I want to know why townSeth stayed off wagon. No, don't tell me, you didn't want to look like a busser.

OK I'll appease you. Let's combine the Maniac voters and the late switchers:

We have Seth, Nanook, Vecna, Donny, Bunny, TrPrado and me.

S->T Donny Nanook Seth Bunny TrPrado Vecna Me.

Of the top three wagons my s->t is Seth Bunny TrPrado

so ##vote Seth

I will monitor at EOD and happy with either the first 2 but rather not TrPrado

May therefore change vote accordingly and certainly won't allow a tie (acknowledging this vote causes a tie at the mo).

Want's to sheep chaqa which is really just another step in his evolution of being happy with flipping any of the above suspects.

I've revised my order to Seth TrPrado Bunny

Chaqa obviously wants us to dk TrP. Perhaps we should just sheep him.

[seth24c]

The biggest issue I see for tomorrow is that town is so confused at this point there has to be at least one or two early bussers of summit who saw that he was going down and pushed his wagon to get towncred. That could at least partially explain why summit was so reluctant to defend himself. He knew that he would likely incriminate his partners if they tried to move off him so he just went down to get them solid townreads. I think if his early voters were mostly town he would have at least tried to put up a defense unless the opposing wagon was also scum.

[seth24c]

I would favour voting for a Maniac voter so Seth or Nanook. Don't particularly mind which. I will vote for either that looks like getting DK'd.

I believe seth keeping his vote on Maniac but congratulating Chaqa for counterclaiming puts him in the same group as those who were voting for Maniac but switched to summit after Chaqa's counterclaim, which is you, TrPrado, BunnyGo, and Donny. I think this group is a good place to look for scum.

Bozo is another top suspect in my eyes. He pushed almost the exact same group as damo did but in his cases and posts seemed to leave damo alone out of the group he mainly pushed donny and myself with some cases that didn't seem to have much conviction behind them.

[seth24c]

summit voted for 6 different players D1 in M59, this game he has not said anything to indicate he suspects anyone.

##VOTE summit

That's true, but do you believe M59 is typical?

I reviewed your town games, and why you have not voted for 6 different players in any other game, M59 is closer to your typical D1 than this game. In most of the other games you changed your vote several times D1.

This interaction in particular caught my eye as a time where bozo basically spelled out for summit what he had to do to try to get suspicion off of him and summit just gives a halfhearted reply that clearly says he can't do it. This really strikes me as an interaction between teammates.

[seth24c]

That's true, but do you believe M59 is typical?

I reviewed your town games, and why you have not voted for 6 different players in any other game, M59 is closer to your typical D1 than this game. In most of the other games you changed your vote several times D1.

This interaction in particular caught my eye as a time where bozo basically spelled out for summit what he had to do to try to get suspicion off of him and summit just gives a halfhearted reply that clearly says he can't do it. This really strikes me as an interaction between teammates.

It's worth noting that after this interaction bozo never changes his vote from summit but he makes multiple posts referencing the maniac wagon and maniacs claim about not reading his role pm in particular. Bozo is highly suspect.

[seth24c]

I do not know what you are getting at.

I think it's a stupid question with no worthwhile answer is what I'm getting at. What does it tell you about his alignment? Why is this a thought worth pursuing?

My speculation has been that Maniac would be more likely to announce he did not read his role PM as scum than as town. M7 showed that he has considered not finding out the identity of his teammates as a scum strategy. If Maniac really did not read his role PM, it seems the reason to announce it would be to inform his scum teammates, and Maniac seemed to admit that, which is not the reason he gave initially:

Hello all. I was going to say it’s good to be back, but jeez the game has gotten
Complicated hasn’t it? Think I’ll have to have a few read throughs.

What’s this about banning the word ‘Lyn*h’? What’s all that about?

##VoteFluminator because he dragged me back into this destroyer of time.

I’m going to lurk a little at times because I’m still pretty busy, and other times I’ll post mini-novels.

Haven’t yet read my DM, see if I can figure out who’s who without knowing who I am. That might be fun.

Hello to all the players I haven’t played with before. Is anyone new or have you all played before?

So, I think either Maniac was deceiving us about not reading his role PM, or deceiving us about the reason he was not reading his role PM.

Here is one of the posts where he tries to cast suspicion on maniac but continues to vote for summit.

[Tom Bombadil]

@seth - Why did you start your scum hunting with damo and flash (and then bozo). What made you spend the time rereading them as opposed to others?

[seth24c]

@seth - Why did you start your scum hunting with damo and flash (and then bozo). What made you spend the time rereading them as opposed to others?

I also read others but did not find evidence that made them a primary suspect to me. After reading damo his posts led me to flash and bozo. The people I read and did not find suspect I have not made posts for but will likely describe at eon.

[Fluminator]

Nice