M59 - Duck Season? - Game Thread

[bozotheclown]

Not to mention Goldie also forgot htf? Where does that leave this theory, Bozo?

goldfinger did not say he forgot hthefourth, he said he did not remember hthefourth was in that game.

Wrong.

Since you went and checked the game, did you read the public press? Here is what hthefourth posted after the game:

"Thanks all for a fun game and congratulations to MadMarx. I enjoyed finally understanding what Turkey was actually up to, as well as speculating about the early game in such detail.

For my part I thoroughly butchered this one. Mostly, I had not thought stabbing Goldfinger through--a well-earned early exit. I was struck by the difference between the 100 D bet games that I had played and this one. You folks do not kid around.

Not playing too much diplomacy these days, but I'm sure I'll get a game in with some of you again. Looking forward to it already.

And welcome back, Tom :)"

Oh, I completely forgot hthefourth was England in that game. Yeah he stabbed me and then went radio silent. Completely ruined my game too. If he only sent me about a dozen messages when I was his neighbor, I'd imagine his comms were less to the other people on the board.

Goldie explicitly said "Oh, I completely forgot hthefourth was England in that game."

Are you saying goldfinger implied he remembered hthefourth was in the game but forgot he was playing England?

[goldfinger0303]

For fucks sake, I was hoping Flum would have a gun so we could resolve this kgray theory before EOD. Would've been nice. Durga, I take it you were lying about having a gun as well?

I don't think a massclaim will be as effective now that we've narrowed down scum and only have 1 VT killed. All it would do is out our PRs, and mafia have a factional roleblock, so they can't exactly save themselves.

In fact, I think it's a pretty damn scummy suggestion.

It would make sure a scum does not end up with a gun or bomb. Also, is there a factional RB? I do not see anything about it in the setup, and it is not in the night operations list. I thought Vecna was fake claiming RB.

I thought I saw Durga and someone else say there was a factional RB.

And your plan would be so the PRs would give each other items? That would just ensure that we have a higher chance of losing an item to begin with.

40% chance (higher if you count RB) of item being lost or item maker would be killed.

Versus a, what...1/6 chance scum is given an item? Less if we assume town is competent?

[e.m.c^42]

Alright, I've read nothing this game and done nothing other than +1 the opening posts, so really don't expect anything from me for awhile lol

[BunnyGo]

For fucks sake, I was hoping Flum would have a gun so we could resolve this kgray theory before EOD. Would've been nice. Durga, I take it you were lying about having a gun as well?

I don't think a massclaim will be as effective now that we've narrowed down scum and only have 1 VT killed. All it would do is out our PRs, and mafia have a factional roleblock, so they can't exactly save themselves.

In fact, I think it's a pretty damn scummy suggestion.

It would make sure a scum does not end up with a gun or bomb. Also, is there a factional RB? I do not see anything about it in the setup, and it is not in the night operations list. I thought Vecna was fake claiming RB.

I thought I saw Durga and someone else say there was a factional RB.

And your plan would be so the PRs would give each other items? That would just ensure that we have a higher chance of losing an item to begin with.

40% chance (higher if you count RB) of item being lost or item maker would be killed.

Versus a, what...1/6 chance scum is given an item? Less if we assume town is competent?

I’m not sold on the massclaim, but just the fact you’re against it is a selling point.

[BunnyGo]

Alright, I've read nothing this game and done nothing other than +1 the opening posts, so really don't expect anything from me for awhile lol

Thanks for filling in. Don’t worry, you’re not the lowest poster today.

[e.m.c^42]

Alright, I've read nothing this game and done nothing other than +1 the opening posts, so really don't expect anything from me for awhile lol

Thanks for filling in. Don’t worry, you’re not the lowest poster today.

Hah! What happened to who I replaced, did they get modkilled for not posting or something.

[kgray]

Only made scummier by Bunny's suggestion that nobody talk at night.

Bunny, I'm thinking the age old question of rabbit season or duck season is coming a bit closer now.

Good news is that I'll have time to read tonight. Lots of scummy looking candidates to choose from.

Wait why is Bunny's suggestion that we don't talk at night scummy?

Giving town a full less day to discuss what happened, post reads, react.....you don't think that's anti-town at all?

I believe he said that under the assumption that we were going to massclaim, in which case keeping the jailer target unknown to scum may be worth it.

[e.m.c^42]

Alright, I've read nothing this game and done nothing other than +1 the opening posts, so really don't expect anything from me for awhile lol

Thanks for filling in. Don’t worry, you’re not the lowest poster today.

Hah! What happened to who I replaced, did they get modkilled for not posting or something.

Oh, nevermind. I guess he had a personal reason to sub out.

[goldfinger0303]

Wait why is Bunny's suggestion that we don't talk at night scummy?

Giving town a full less day to discuss what happened, post reads, react.....you don't think that's anti-town at all?

I believe he said that under the assumption that we were going to massclaim, in which case keeping the jailer target unknown to scum may be worth it.

Eh, I mean I suppose that makes it slightly better. But that's a steep price to pay, imo. Especially since, as I said, I don't see the benefits of a massclaim other than ensuring our PRs get picked off quickly. There's too many VTs and too few scum alive right now. If we were down to, say, 6-7 VTs with no PRs dead, I think it's worth immediate consideration. Or if we had a full scum contingent left alive with the current number of VTs it would be more palatable.

[rdrivera2005]

Giving town a full less day to discuss what happened, post reads, react.....you don't think that's anti-town at all?

I believe he said that under the assumption that we were going to massclaim, in which case keeping the jailer target unknown to scum may be worth it.

Eh, I mean I suppose that makes it slightly better. But that's a steep price to pay, imo. Especially since, as I said, I don't see the benefits of a massclaim other than ensuring our PRs get picked off quickly. There's too many VTs and too few scum alive right now. If we were down to, say, 6-7 VTs with no PRs dead, I think it's worth immediate consideration. Or if we had a full scum contingent left alive with the current number of VTs it would be more palatable.

I don't like the massclaim idea now, too little gain to expose our PRs, specially with the Jailor not immune to RB.
And I don't get why Bunny suggestion is scummy (it will work only first night I think).

[BunnyGo]

Alright, I've read nothing this game and done nothing other than +1 the opening posts, so really don't expect anything from me for awhile lol

Thanks for filling in. Don’t worry, you’re not the lowest poster today.

Hah! What happened to who I replaced, did they get modkilled for not posting or something.

Nope. We had no warning not idea it was coming. Tom broke a rule, but he got killed anyways.

[BunnyGo]

Wait why is Bunny's suggestion that we don't talk at night scummy?

Giving town a full less day to discuss what happened, post reads, react.....you don't think that's anti-town at all?

I believe he said that under the assumption that we were going to massclaim, in which case keeping the jailer target unknown to scum may be worth it.

It’s probably worth it even without the massclaim.

[BunnyGo]

I believe he said that under the assumption that we were going to massclaim, in which case keeping the jailer target unknown to scum may be worth it.

Eh, I mean I suppose that makes it slightly better. But that's a steep price to pay, imo. Especially since, as I said, I don't see the benefits of a massclaim other than ensuring our PRs get picked off quickly. There's too many VTs and too few scum alive right now. If we were down to, say, 6-7 VTs with no PRs dead, I think it's worth immediate consideration. Or if we had a full scum contingent left alive with the current number of VTs it would be more palatable.

I don't like the massclaim idea now, too little gain to expose our PRs, specially with the Jailor not immune to RB.
And I don't get why Bunny suggestion is scummy (it will work only first night I think).

The jailor is explicitly immune to RB. The GM just said so.

[BunnyGo]

I believe he said that under the assumption that we were going to massclaim, in which case keeping the jailer target unknown to scum may be worth it.

Eh, I mean I suppose that makes it slightly better. But that's a steep price to pay, imo. Especially since, as I said, I don't see the benefits of a massclaim other than ensuring our PRs get picked off quickly. There's too many VTs and too few scum alive right now. If we were down to, say, 6-7 VTs with no PRs dead, I think it's worth immediate consideration. Or if we had a full scum contingent left alive with the current number of VTs it would be more palatable.

I don't like the massclaim idea now, too little gain to expose our PRs, specially with the Jailor not immune to RB.
And I don't get why Bunny suggestion is scummy (it will work only first night I think).

why only first night? It'll work every night in that they won't know who jailor took. The cost is that the other PR roles won't know either, but I'd rather have a tracker fail, or a item not be delivered if it saves a NK.

[TheMadMonarch]

Eh, I mean I suppose that makes it slightly better. But that's a steep price to pay, imo. Especially since, as I said, I don't see the benefits of a massclaim other than ensuring our PRs get picked off quickly. There's too many VTs and too few scum alive right now. If we were down to, say, 6-7 VTs with no PRs dead, I think it's worth immediate consideration. Or if we had a full scum contingent left alive with the current number of VTs it would be more palatable.

I don't like the massclaim idea now, too little gain to expose our PRs, specially with the Jailor not immune to RB.
And I don't get why Bunny suggestion is scummy (it will work only first night I think).

The jailor is explicitly immune to RB. The GM just said so.

No, the GM said it would affect the jailer on the next night.

[bozotheclown]

##GM NOTE

I have gotten a lot of confused PMs about whether the VT role PM said “vanilla townie” or “vanilla toon.” I did some digging and found out that I sent the old VT role PM to some players containing “vanilla townie”, while Jamie sent the correct role PM to others containing “vanilla toon.” Hopefully that answers the questions.

I did not anticipate this information, but I think it should clear things up.

Also, this obviously was not intended to be used to gain any kind of advantage, but I do not think I violated any rules by what I said. However, I apologize if anyone thinks it was inappropriate.

[BunnyGo]

I don't like the massclaim idea now, too little gain to expose our PRs, specially with the Jailor not immune to RB.
And I don't get why Bunny suggestion is scummy (it will work only first night I think).

The jailor is explicitly immune to RB. The GM just said so.

No, the GM said it would affect the jailer on the next night.

Ah, I missed that.

[rdrivera2005]

I don't like the massclaim idea now, too little gain to expose our PRs, specially with the Jailor not immune to RB.
And I don't get why Bunny suggestion is scummy (it will work only first night I think).

The jailor is explicitly immune to RB. The GM just said so.

No, the GM said it would affect the jailer on the next night.

Exactly, that's why it will work first night, they will RB the Jailor first night so he can't Jail on the next night then they just RB the protective and kill the Jailor. So, I don't think it's worth now to massclaim.

[BunnyGo]

The jailor is explicitly immune to RB. The GM just said so.

No, the GM said it would affect the jailer on the next night.

Exactly, that's why it will work first night, they will RB the Jailor first night so he can't Jail on the next night then they just RB the protective and kill the Jailor. So, I don't think it's worth now to massclaim.

Ah, so in fact us keeping silent at night works wonders WITHOUT the massclaim.

[seth24c]

So much to catch up on. Sorry I haven’t been around I am now reading on my phone. Let me know if there is anything pressing I have missed.