MAFIA LVIII (58) - WITCHFINDER GENERAL - GAME THREAD

[Durga]

I'm feeling really good about Seth being town. If he's scum that's some impressive shit.

Also, I'm hella sus of ghug and would like to request whoever has night powers that are investigatory to check him out. I can't understand why he would change his meta as town so drastically. He was actually useless last game and just the fact that he's stopped joking as much irks me.

[Jamiet99uk]

VOTE COUNT 2.4

Yoyoyozo (4) - rdrivera2005, Durga, summit_fever, Trprado
worcej (3) - Foxcastle, bozotheclown, Vecna
summit_fever (2) - bo_sox48, worcej
e.m.c^42 (2) - Chaqa, damo666
TrPrado (1) - ghug
Seth24c (1) - Hamilton Brian
Vecna (1) - Flash2015

26 hours and 30 minutes are left in Day Two

Currently Yoyoyozo is scheduled to hang.

e.m.c^42, seth24c and Yoyoyozo are yet to vote.

[summit_fever]

http://mafia.peterlund.se ("The Bot") is a really handy tool for stuff like this.

Thanks ghug, never knew that existed. Definitely will try to see if I can learn how to work this.

Town lacked manners in not informing you earlier. Completely slipped my mind.
It's really a useful tool.

[Hamilton Brian]

If seth were scum I don't think he'd be trying to build Mt. Everest in the thread. Especially without using the bot.

Probably not, unless scum team is on him to make it look good. No one's moved on to that wagon so they're safe as of now.

[seth24c]

Seth, with 9 minutes to go until the EoD, you changed your vote from Bis to Unv based on the notion that Bunny was the first to start the Bis wagon. Why did that cause you to take your vote off? Did Bunny offer compelling evidence that the Bis wagon was an appropriate one?

I explained my thought process earlier in the thread but essentially bunny had voted bis on page three with no reasoning. I now believe he was probably just doing it because bis hadn't complied with the statement for the lie detector but at the time I thought I had something on bunny as I was frantically trying to read the thread in the last 10 minutes.

[TrPrado]

I don't like Worcej wagon cause I don't have a townread on any of the people in it (maybe a small one on Vecna, but his votes today are meh).

Summit isn't obvtowning like other games, but his votes closer to EOD look more towny then scummy.

I like the people on Yoyo wagon...

You said earlier you think ghug is scum, can you explain that?

[seth24c]

In short the only person who really seemed to even make a case for bunny with their vote was HR and now he is dead. The others on the wagon. Myself, ghug, venca, and worcej are obvious scum candidates. I've made my case about my unfortunate thought process for my vote.

I think there is a great change of 1 or 2 scum out of the remaining three.

Venca and ghug as some will remember had an interesting exchange earlier in day 1 where venca asked ghug when they would finally role scum together.

Ghug also distances from venca in this post.

It amazes me that some people actively contemplate posting limits with respect to themselves.

Where I stand now is that I don't really want to kill Durga or Yoyo. The former seems generally townie and is suspicious of me in a way I noticed she wasn't in the last game as scum and I should have pushed more on. I was buying the "Yoyo seems cagey" thing, but he made that really dumb post attacking Durga last night, and I think rabid stupidity is more of a town Yoyo thing. I still like the bunny kill. Bismarck is fine, I guess, but I honestly have no idea why anyone is voting for him.

Other townreads are foxy and damo. I want to townread Vecna but I'm remembering more and more that he's usually scum when I do that. The rest of you are kinda useless.

As well as this post by venca I still don't know what to make of.

Can you try this post again? I’m still drinking coffee and can’t make sense of it.

ghug also has this very surprised (may just be his MO but still) reaction to the bunny flip.

Whoops

What would you expect scum to have done around EoD yesterday if Bismarck were scum? If he were town?

If Bismarck was scum I would have expected someone else to jump on the bunny wagon.

If he was town I would have expected scum to be happy staying where they were since they would have flipped a townperson either with bis or bunny.

[summit_fever]

If seth were scum I don't think he'd be trying to build Mt. Everest in the thread. Especially without using the bot.

Probably not, unless scum team is on him to make it look good. No one's moved on to that wagon so they're safe as of now.

I don't see why you need to equivocate on this one. There's zero chance seth is scum given what just happened.

[TrPrado]

##vote emc

Why?

Why'd you vote Yoyo?

Didn’t like his D1, when I looked at his posts he seemed kinda unnatural like he wanted to look helpful without actually being helpful. He’s my other solid scum read so now I’m going to vote for him since summit has put a little doubt into that read on him.

[summit_fever]

If seth were scum I don't think he'd be trying to build Mt. Everest in the thread. Especially without using the bot.

Probably not, unless scum team is on him to make it look good. No one's moved on to that wagon so they're safe as of now.

I don't see why you need to equivocate on this one. There's zero chance seth is scum given what just happened.

Actually I forgot about the 3P. So I take that back.

[ghug]

I'm feeling really good about Seth being town. If he's scum that's some impressive shit.

Also, I'm hella sus of ghug and would like to request whoever has night powers that are investigatory to check him out. I can't understand why he would change his meta as town so drastically. He was actually useless last game and just the fact that he's stopped joking as much irks me.

Because my town play has worked so well for me the last two games?

Shitposting used to get me scumread, which it apparently doesn't do anymore. It's not like I'm not doing it at all.

[ghug]

Why?

Why'd you vote Yoyo?

Didn’t like his D1, when I looked at his posts he seemed kinda unnatural like he wanted to look helpful without actually being helpful. He’s my other solid scum read so now I’m going to vote for him since summit has put a little doubt into that read on him.

Do you have thoughts on any players besides those two?

[rdrivera2005]

Although there is a lot going on with worcej as lead wagon right now, I'm going down the rabbit hole with HR's posts. As Bunny said in a previous game, "listen to what the dead say."

In an exchange about the WD visit, Ghug asked HR why they wouldn't visit. HR suggested because if the visit was to mafia, per the stated role description, WD would be killed.

Ghug, are you of the belief that even a N1 visit with a potential WD death is better than no-visit?

Also listening to the dead is dumb. By virtue of not having had a chance to invest new information, they know less than we do. Bunny was scum in that game.

It isn’t dumb to listen to them. It’s dumb to think they were omniscient and were right without reflecting on new information.

Agree. You should not blindly follow the dead townies, but at least consider his thoughts as you can be sure they are town motivated.

[TrPrado]

Why'd you vote Yoyo?

Didn’t like his D1, when I looked at his posts he seemed kinda unnatural like he wanted to look helpful without actually being helpful. He’s my other solid scum read so now I’m going to vote for him since summit has put a little doubt into that read on him.

Do you have thoughts on any players besides those two?

Several, yes!

[ghug]

Didn’t like his D1, when I looked at his posts he seemed kinda unnatural like he wanted to look helpful without actually being helpful. He’s my other solid scum read so now I’m going to vote for him since summit has put a little doubt into that read on him.

Do you have thoughts on any players besides those two?

Several, yes!

Could have fooled me.

[TrPrado]

I do kinda want to know the reasoning behind damo’s vote. He voted Bismarck for non-compliance, but emc has complied. Chaqa put a somewhat jokey vote on emc and damo hasn’t talked much about that slot in a while IIRC

[TrPrado]

Do you have thoughts on any players besides those two?

Several, yes!

Could have fooled me.

Would you be shocked if I said you’re my top town read?

[rdrivera2005]

I don't like Worcej wagon cause I don't have a townread on any of the people in it (maybe a small one on Vecna, but his votes today are meh).

Summit isn't obvtowning like other games, but his votes closer to EOD look more towny then scummy.

I like the people on Yoyo wagon...

You said earlier you think ghug is scum, can you explain that?

I said he is probably scum to be correct.

I don't like the way he was playing. He was around at EOD but try to distance from it.
The interaction with Vecna is weird, kept me thinking both can be scum, but Vecna had some towny moments and Ghug didn't.

It's weak and that's why I put a probably scum and I am not voting him. Also he can't fly under the radar, so it will probably be sorted sooner or later.

[seth24c]

From what I've read of ghug, venca, and worcej so far I would feel relatively comfortable voting for any of them. For now I will ##vote ghug since he is the one who gave me the bot link. Thanks

[rdrivera2005]

Several, yes!

Could have fooled me.

Would you be shocked if I said you’re my top town read?

I will.