Mafia 57 Matrix

[ghug]

You were willing to risk your life, your children, and your marriage to save EMC, twice.

This is a strange vote.

I did an EoD4 analysis N4 and concluded that every major wagon was probably town, you can go back and look at my thought processes there. I'd be open to other options such as theroyozo or Bismarck, though.

Do you still believe emc is scum?

I do not trust you, for the reasons that I have made clear.

However you are putting in far more effort than Ghug or Goldfinger, and that is bothering me.

As for EMC, since you saved him for the second time on D3, he has put in almost no effort whatsoever, as far as I can see. He seems totally relaxed and unbothered while town does everything possible to hand scum a flawless victory.

Ok then.

##VOTE EMC.

The idea that I'm not putting effort in right now is laughable.

[Yoyoyozo]

Hey guys! I’m gonna be honest I only agreed to sub into this game because ghug is here. I just wanted to say hi :). Alright GM you can remove me

[goldfinger0303]

Who?

I think me and bo have also done it.

Are you scum?

Yes, and so are ghug, bo and Foxcastle. You got us.

[BismarckAlive]

##vote Hellenic Riot

[ghug]

Hey guys! I’m gonna be honest I only agreed to sub into this game because ghug is here. I just wanted to say hi :). Alright GM you can remove me

Yoyo living up to the standard set by his predecessor.

[BismarckAlive]

Hello HR. Still mislynching townies I see. Should I blame you or Ghug for this game? Based on ghug saying I'm already "confirmed scum" I have a feeling it's him, but maybe ghug is just happy to see me.

HR is involved in every mis-daykill.

[goldfinger0303]

Hey guys! I’m gonna be honest I only agreed to sub into this game because ghug is here. I just wanted to say hi :). Alright GM you can remove me

Yoyo living up to the standard set by his predecessor.

At least it makes it easy for us to determine who took over which person. Consistency is key.

[Hamilton Brian]

As in, some variations of town!Jamie share with bozo the characteristic of temporarily tunneling on a single player, then questioning them to hell and high water, and moving on to the next player that catches their attention. Usually by now Jamie should've gone through around four or five players, but this is gut recall and not checked with bot so take with large grain of salt. Bozo is a bit more flexible than Jamie in this regard, but general vibe stands.

He's been more focused on emotive reactions than game questioning which somewhat comes off as him intentionally playing as real as he can to his town self

This is going back a ways. I wanted to get another look at EMC and this post caught my attention. Those of you that have had experience playing with Jamie before (I've only one game to refer to) does the characteristic of tunneling on a single player before moving on seem to be lacking in their game?

@ghug, that post was written as a reply to you. Did you feel like you got a suitable response? Are you reading Jamie as scum based on that reply from EMC?
You seemed to regard them as town several pages ago. Has that changed?

[Hamilton Brian]

I'm not seeing where anyone questioned Nanook about what they meant when they wrote that they trusted bo with their life. What could they have meant by that?

Is that their way of saying that bo was scum?

[ghug]

As in, some variations of town!Jamie share with bozo the characteristic of temporarily tunneling on a single player, then questioning them to hell and high water, and moving on to the next player that catches their attention. Usually by now Jamie should've gone through around four or five players, but this is gut recall and not checked with bot so take with large grain of salt. Bozo is a bit more flexible than Jamie in this regard, but general vibe stands.

He's been more focused on emotive reactions than game questioning which somewhat comes off as him intentionally playing as real as he can to his town self

This is going back a ways. I wanted to get another look at EMC and this post caught my attention. Those of you that have had experience playing with Jamie before (I've only one game to refer to) does the characteristic of tunneling on a single player before moving on seem to be lacking in their game?

@ghug, that post was written as a reply to you. Did you feel like you got a suitable response? Are you reading Jamie as scum based on that reply from EMC?
You seemed to regard them as town several pages ago. Has that changed?

It's not an inaccurate assessment of Jamie's normal play. I don't really get the sense that he's really diverged from that meta in this game.

[ghug]

I'm not seeing where anyone questioned Nanook about what they meant when they wrote that they trusted bo with their life. What could they have meant by that?

Is that their way of saying that bo was scum?

We discussed it at great lengths...

The implication is that bo was on the ship.

[ghug]

Hey guys! I’m gonna be honest I only agreed to sub into this game because ghug is here. I just wanted to say hi :). Alright GM you can remove me

Yoyo living up to the standard set by his predecessor.

At least it makes it easy for us to determine who took over which person. Consistency is key.

Except that Temasek was also replaced.

[Hamilton Brian]

I'm not seeing where anyone questioned Nanook about what they meant when they wrote that they trusted bo with their life. What could they have meant by that?

Is that their way of saying that bo was scum?

We discussed it at great lengths...

The implication is that bo was on the ship.

I’ll go run through those pages of text,then, but was there anything suggesting bo and gold were scum, town, or one of each? I will go to find it myself but am appreciative of a summary. I know I need to do the work but am so bad at this.

[goldfinger0303]

Okay, so let's look at who was on what wagon each day at EOD. I believe the peter bot orders these in the order they came on the wagon. Blue are the people who were on the boat at the time. Known town on the boat I will put as purple (mix of blue and green). Bunny will go from brown to orange

D1

• flash2015:
  Tom Bombadil summit_fever e.m.c^42 Hellenic Riot BunnyGo
• damo666:
  DemonRHK rdrivera2005 bozotheclown BismarckAlive
• e.m.c^42:
  Jamiet99uk damo666 flash2015 goldfinger0303
• BunnyGo:
  bo_sox48 Foxcastle Hamilton Brian
• summit_fever:
  Nanook therul ghug
• bozotheclown
  TheFlyingBoat
• ghug
  Chaqa
• goldfinger0303
  worcej

Macca/Tem/Peter did not make a vote

D2

• DemonRHK:
  Nanook damo666 BunnyGo Jamiet99uk BismarckAlive rdrivera2005 bo_sox48 DemonRHK goldfinger0303 Foxcastle worcej Temasek22 Chaqa
• Chaqa:
  ghug
• BunnyGo:
  Hamilton Brian
• Tom Bombadil:
  therul

Day was hammered before emc, HR, Tom, and TFB could make a vote

D3

• TheFlyingBoat:
  Hellenic Riot BunnyGo e.m.c^42 damo666 Tom Bombadil goldfinger0303 ghug Foxcastle
• Nanook:
  Jamiet99uk bo_sox48
• Hellenic Riot:
  Nanook rdrivera2005
• BismarckAlive:
  Temasek22 therul
• e.m.c^42:
  Hamilton Brian TheFlyingBoat

Bismarck did not have a valid vote in, but cast an invalid vote on emc

D4

• rdrivera2005:
  Hellenic Riot bo_sox48 goldfinger0303 ghug
• Hellenic Riot:
  Nanook rdrivera2005 Jamiet99uk
• Temasek22:
  Foxcastle Hamilton Brian e.m.c^42
• therul:
  Temasek22 BunnyGo
• e.m.c^42:
  BismarckAlive
• Foxcastle:
  Tom Bombadil
• BismarckAlive:
  therul

D5

• BunnyGo:
  ghug BunnyGo Hellenic Riot Jamiet99uk Tom Bombadil Nanook goldfinger0303 e.m.c^42 Hamilton Brian
• Hellenic Riot:
  BismarckAlive
• ghug:
  Foxcastle
• No‑Kill:
  bo_sox48

[goldfinger0303]

Reached the text limit.

Since there are two dead days, voting analysis here is a bit limited and I'll take a closer look at any conclusions to be drawn in a bit, but I think this is useful to summarize for our new players. If anyone sees any mistakes, feel free to repost with corrections. Formatting that was a pain.

A few things I've noticed. HR and emc vote together more often than not.

Jamiet has always been on the #2 wagon.

The boat did not coordinate to vote together.

[Hamilton Brian]

A few things I've noticed. HR and emc vote together more often than not. why might this be important or what could it tell us? . I’ve been on EMC a lot, HR less so. Is that voting coordinated during our day threads?

Jamiet has always been on the #2 wagon. not on all of them; what would you say about day one vote when it was on EMC?. Is this trend, though not concrete, meaningful?

The boat did not coordinate to vote together.the mechanics of the game wrack my head but this esoterically interesting. . Would you draw some conclusion from it?

[goldfinger0303]

A few things I've noticed. HR and emc vote together more often than not. why might this be important or what could it tell us? . I’ve been on EMC a lot, HR less so. Is that voting coordinated during our day threads?

Jamiet has always been on the #2 wagon. not on all of them; what would you say about day one vote when it was on EMC?. Is this trend, though not concrete, meaningful?

The boat did not coordinate to vote together.the mechanics of the game wrack my head but this esoterically interesting. . Would you draw some conclusion from it?

Okay, so for the voting together - it could be evidence of scum sheeping a town, or scum working together to push a target. It requires legwork to go back and look through the justification of their votes - do they match the reads given? Is one more well reasoned than the other? And the timing - does one always follow the other?

As for Jamiet - the D1 emc wagon was tied for second. Again, by itself the fact doesn't have a lot of value. Is Jamiet shifting votes to always be on the second wagon? That could be scum indicative. Has he pushed hard on that #2 wagon and been ignored by a bunch of people? That could be he's townie onto something and scum are pushing a counter-wagon.

As for the boat - I think it's easily explained. D1 they didn't want to appear to vote in concert with each other. D3 Nanook was probably still hiding. After damo was killed, Nanook didn't trust the other boat members enough to form a bloc.

[Yoyoyozo]

There’s so much to read Christ. I’ll continue tomorrow. And I just realized I don’t know who’s all alive so that’s fun lol.

Until flum gets back to me someone sum up of the events of this game so far.

[ghug]

There’s so much to read Christ. I’ll continue tomorrow. And I just realized I don’t know who’s all alive so that’s fun lol.

Until flum gets back to me someone sum up of the events of this game so far.

Damo and Nanook started on the ship.
They scanned me and RHK, RHK scanned chosen one.
Bunny told them he was the virus
We daykilled flash, emc might have been saved.

The ship redpilled RHK because of the scan.
The mafia nightkilled bozo, who was the actual chosen one.
They roleblocked worcej.
Bunny shot summit, a top D1 wagon.

Damo claimed because of the scan.
We daykilled RHK, he was the Miller.

The ship redpilled bunny.
The mafia killed worcej.
Bunny killed Chaqa probably because of my awesome but sadly incorrect arguments against him.
No RB claim.

We daykilled TheFlyingBoat. HR or emc could have been saved. Maybe also Temasek I don't really remember?

The mafia killed damo.
They roleblocked Nanook.
The virus didn't kill.
The ship redpilled bo.

We killed Rd.

The mafia tried to kill bunny, activating his penultimate form.
They roleblocked Nanook again.
The ship redpilled gold.

Nanook claimed, we killed bunny cause we had to.
Three people needed replacing.

The mafia killed Nanook
No RB claim.

Here we are.

[peterlund]

Read the Setup now and done some basic checks on the bot. It seems like we now are 13 players remaining and ALL agents are still alive. Virus has won and is dead as being killed by vote was a condition for his win. So what is the game about now? Getting in on second place the 2 remaining teams or getting a share win?

This would mean 8 town against 5 mafia and that we only have one missdaykill left before KiLo.