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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#1641 Post by Temasek22 » Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:31 am

Nanook wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:24 am
I don’t really get the EMC scumreads tbh, like I got D1 where the “he just has to die either way” votes were from, but like...since then he’s been...fine, I think? Not like supertownie or whatever, but fine.

Is it just not wanting to believe D1 was all town wagons?
Been a long time since the last scum D1 lynch I think but usually we could get at least 1 major scum wagon.

Wagon movement is also generally a good indicator to look for scum

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#1642 Post by goldfinger0303 » Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:31 am

Also, Bunny that was a really good explanation of why it's good for us to know why scum didn't kill damo N1. I actually hadn't considered those implications at all. But unfortunately I think there's just too much unknowns for us to gleam anything with certainty.

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#1643 Post by Nanook » Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:31 am

Damo’s literally never scum he’d have to be insane and/or the stupidest mafia player I’ve ever seen, you never go one for one as mafia for a VT on D2. You just don’t.

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#1644 Post by BunnyGo » Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:32 am

Temasek22 wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:31 am
Nanook wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:24 am
I don’t really get the EMC scumreads tbh, like I got D1 where the “he just has to die either way” votes were from, but like...since then he’s been...fine, I think? Not like supertownie or whatever, but fine.

Is it just not wanting to believe D1 was all town wagons?
Been a long time since the last scum D1 lynch I think but usually we could get at least 1 major scum wagon.

Wagon movement is also generally a good indicator to look for scum
Didn't we (not me...I subbed in later that game) catch scum day 1 just last game?

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#1645 Post by BunnyGo » Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:33 am

Temasek22 wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:31 am
Nanook wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:24 am
I don’t really get the EMC scumreads tbh, like I got D1 where the “he just has to die either way” votes were from, but like...since then he’s been...fine, I think? Not like supertownie or whatever, but fine.

Is it just not wanting to believe D1 was all town wagons?
Been a long time since the last scum D1gentle language reminder I think but usually we could get at least 1 major scum wagon.

Wagon movement is also generally a good indicator to look for scum

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#1646 Post by BunnyGo » Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:35 am

BunnyGo wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:32 am
Temasek22 wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:31 am
Nanook wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:24 am
I don’t really get the EMC scumreads tbh, like I got D1 where the “he just has to die either way” votes were from, but like...since then he’s been...fine, I think? Not like supertownie or whatever, but fine.

Is it just not wanting to believe D1 was all town wagons?
Been a long time since the last scum D1 lynch I think but usually we could get at least 1 major scum wagon.

Wagon movement is also generally a good indicator to look for scum
Didn't we (not me...I subbed in later that game) catch scum day 1 just last game?
And the last party covid game, which was like 2 before that?

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#1647 Post by Nanook » Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:37 am

Catching scum D1 is common on my homesite I’m not dismissing the notion

I’m just asking how much “I don’t want to believe all the major EOD wagons were town” is playing into people’s scumreads of EMC

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#1648 Post by BunnyGo » Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:42 am

Nanook wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:37 am
Catching scum D1 is common on my homesite I’m not dismissing the notion

I’m just asking how much “I don’t want to believe all the major EOD wagons were town” is playing into people’s scumreads of EMC
Dunno.

I went back and looked to see when EMC broke under D1 pressure and actually made a vote. But I didn't see any significant patterns there.

My impression of the desire to get EMC today is as some sort of "informational kill"

Gold and Tem are saying if EMC is scum it implicates me or HR. This is misguided at best.

They also say if EMC is town it somehow implicates other people? Is the process of elimination? I don't get it.

I don't think EMC is a good information kill today, Auric (Goldfinger).

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#1649 Post by Temasek22 » Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:42 am

BunnyGo wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:29 am
Actually, anyone with half a brain knows Damo wasn't redpilled on N1. So yeah...only way he's scum is:

1) Scum decided on ballsy play while way ahead
2) Virus has decided to not cooperate with NEB to kill scum
Both are that little bit plausible but still sticking with the more likely option (and my gut) damo seems to be town.

Do we have any knowledge re. 2) about what the 3p player would do? They may very well be trying to help scum.

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#1650 Post by BunnyGo » Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:45 am

Temasek22 wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:42 am
BunnyGo wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:29 am
Actually, anyone with half a brain knows Damo wasn't redpilled on N1. So yeah...only way he's scum is:

1) Scum decided on ballsy play while way ahead
2) Virus has decided to not cooperate with NEB to kill scum
Both are that little bit plausible but still sticking with the more likely option (and my gut) damo seems to be town.

Do we have any knowledge re. 2) about what the 3p player would do? They may very well be trying to help scum.
Well, Tem. I'm curious what you think the virus should be doing?

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#1651 Post by Temasek22 » Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:45 am

BunnyGo wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:29 am
Actually, anyone with half a brain knows Damo wasn't redpilled on N1. So yeah...only way he's scum is:

1) Scum decided on ballsy play while way ahead
2) Virus has decided to not cooperate with NEB to kill scum
Both are that little bit plausible but still sticking with the more likely option (and my gut) damo seems to be town.

Do we have any knowledge re. 2) about what the 3p player would do? They may very well be trying to help scum.

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#1652 Post by Temasek22 » Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:48 am

Double post by mistake. Sorry
BunnyGo wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:45 am
Temasek22 wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:42 am
BunnyGo wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:29 am
Actually, anyone with half a brain knows Damo wasn't redpilled on N1. So yeah...only way he's scum is:

1) Scum decided on ballsy play while way ahead
2) Virus has decided to not cooperate with NEB to kill scum
Both are that little bit plausible but still sticking with the more likely option (and my gut) damo seems to be town.

Do we have any knowledge re. 2) about what the 3p player would do? They may very well be trying to help scum.
Well, Tem. I'm curious what you think the virus should be doing?
I mean they only need to activate third form to win so there's nothing incentivizing them to work with town

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#1653 Post by TheFlyingBoat » Sun Jul 12, 2020 7:13 am

goldfinger0303 wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:20 am
Oh, and Bunny as a reward for noticing me I'll go back to ##vote emc

I still think after last night's Q&A session emc is scum, but after the flips this morning, I think executing emc today will lead us to scum no matter what.

Option A) emc is scum -> Bunny is scum, HR is probably scum
Option B) emc is Town -> HR is town, Bunny is Town, Theflyingboat is scum

I got to option B by looking at EOD wagons. There were 4 lone wagons at EOD. HR, Chaqa, worcej, and Theflyingboat. Based on games I've played, it's pretty sure one of them is scum. Two we know now were town. HR moved at the last second. I don't think scum would purposely move to lynch a town at the last minute and expose themselves, unless it were to save a scum buddy. Perhaps emc was a super bad role to lose D1, like Encryptor or Security Agent. Worth giving scum reads to goons to save them. I just don't see any other reason why at the last second scum would get off a perfectly safe, explainable vote.

So if emc flips town, I think we have a good two strong town reads, and a very likely scum.

If emc flips scum (which is far more likely imo) we will probably get one or two extra along with it.

The only potential hole in this hypothesis is Temasek.... unfortunately though it's a big hole.
Hi Gold, is there any reason you think I am scum other than I was on a lone wagon EOD 1? I think the explanation I gave Flum when he checked in on me that I simply lost home internet for a day (good ol' Spectrum) is a pretty decent one for why I was stuck on a placeholder vote cast early on in the day.

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#1654 Post by TheFlyingBoat » Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:44 am

Temasek22 wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:48 am
Double post by mistake. Sorry
BunnyGo wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:45 am
Temasek22 wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:42 am


Both are that little bit plausible but still sticking with the more likely option (and my gut) damo seems to be town.

Do we have any knowledge re. 2) about what the 3p player would do? They may very well be trying to help scum.
Well, Tem. I'm curious what you think the virus should be doing?
I mean they only need to activate third form to win so there's nothing incentivizing them to work with town
This is why I was so confused by BunnyGo (could have been someone else but I'm pretty sure it was bunny and am too sleepy to check) arguing that the Virus would be a great town partner and we should get them on the Neb back in Day 1 ignoring that they have little reason to play particularly nice with us. It would be great if the virus became a vig for us as Bunny mentioned back in that time but that was simply never plausible in my mind as the virus doesn't particularly need us.

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#1655 Post by Jamiet99uk » Sun Jul 12, 2020 10:51 am

Nanook wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 2:22 am
bo_sox48 wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:06 am
Nanook wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:37 am


Dang and I was prepared to scumread you too, oh well win some lose some
Can you do something other than proclaim how good you are without showing us even the slightest semblance of evidence that you are coherent
I could link you to games I guess lolol
Try being useful in this one.

What have you done, in this game, to help town?

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#1656 Post by Jamiet99uk » Sun Jul 12, 2020 10:53 am

BunnyGo wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 3:10 am
Bunny's current reads from "townier" to "why haven't we voted them away yet?" based on EOD1 analysis (SINCE NOBODY ELSE SEEMS TO BE CAPABLE OF REREADING D1!!!!!)

damo
TheFlyingBoat
Fox
Nanook
ghug
gold
hamilton
jamie
emc
hellenic
bo_sox
rdr
tom
(eliminated from discussion is MeccaSek...seriously Tem, show up)

<snip>

Tom...same and more. What's up man? Why vote flash day 1? Why not stake a claim EVER? Your vote for summit was "lurker" your move off him to flash was "bozo is smart and has pointed out summit wouldn't lurk." That's it. You identified bozo as paying attention and thinking and then NKd him? Wassup man?

Drunk Bunny (TM) has spoken.
Why didn't Drunk Bunny vote for Tom Bombadil if Tom Bombadil is Drunk Bunny's top scum suspect?

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#1657 Post by Jamiet99uk » Sun Jul 12, 2020 10:59 am

Nanook wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 3:40 am
BunnyGo wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 3:37 am
@Nanook

Can you explain to me in your own words why people are voting for you?
A) I’m coasting, as bo eloquently put it...not tryharding

B) I don’t play in a way people find aesthetically pleasing

C) I’m obnoxious
You can play the game however you like as long as you try to help town.

You are not trying to help town.

Clearly you have time to be here because you are actually posting quite frequently. It's just that your posts are mostly (a) boasting about how great you are (b) telling other people how much they suck, and (c) making excuses for not contributing anything of substance.

You have said you suspect Hellenic Riot (and indeed you are voting that way). Can you break that down for us? Do an ISO of HR since clearly you do have the time, and tell us what stands out?

I mean, that's what you might do if you're town and want to help us.

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#1658 Post by rdrivera2005 » Sun Jul 12, 2020 11:09 am

Hellenic Riot wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 2:39 am
rdrivera2005 wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 2:10 am
Nanook wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:46 am
##VOTE Hellenic Riot

As a friend likes to say, hypocrisy is a staple of the civilian playbook
I like this vote.
Would you care to explain why?
I like it for two reasons, first is I have a small scumread on you. I usually find easy to townread you when you are town, you do good questioning and insight and didn't feel this on this game
The second reason is that Nanook is a big question mark to me and him engaging with you will probably help me to read him.

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#1659 Post by Jamiet99uk » Sun Jul 12, 2020 11:18 am

BunnyGo wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 4:40 am
Who pounced on damo for his non-VT slip?

Demon, rdr, Bismarck, someone else?
It was me.

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#1660 Post by Jamiet99uk » Sun Jul 12, 2020 11:21 am

Nanook wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 4:49 am
Asking for townreads is usually better if you’re gonna do surveys tbh, a lot of scum hesitate to hard TR partners and it can show up a bit more easily than if you’re asking for scumreads
Most insightful thing you've said. More of this please.

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