Mafia 57 Matrix

[Jamiet99uk]

Setup:
23 players

14 Town
1 2-Shot Oracle Mason
1 Protector Mason
1 Chosen One
13 Vanilla Town
1 Chosen One Miller

4 Agents
1 Encryptor
1 Turncoat
1 Security Agent
2 Goon

1 Third Party
Rogue Virus

Clearly Flum can't math right, because both town and agent sums are off. But there are 5 agents.

5 agents - subtract yourself - 4 agents. Plausible scumslip.
I really don't like that people immediately came to your defense to deflect my point into a joke.

It seems more likely to be a town slip to me, since the part of the setup you quoted incorrectly states there are only 4 agents instead of 5.

Looking at this again, what you wrote could be a potential scum slip, since you copied part of the setup that says there are 4 agents and then stated there are 5 agents without pointing out the mistake in what you copied.

What do you think he meant by "Flum can't math right", if not to point out that there was a mistake in the numbers?

Do you believe in scum slips, Bozo? I normally get abuse for suggesting that they are even a possibility.

[bozotheclown]

It seems more likely to be a town slip to me, since the part of the setup you quoted incorrectly states there are only 4 agents instead of 5.

Looking at this again, what you wrote could be a potential scum slip, since you copied part of the setup that says there are 4 agents and then stated there are 5 agents without pointing out the mistake in what you copied.

What do you think he meant by "Flum can't math right", if not to point out that there was a mistake in the numbers?

Do you believe in scum slips, Bozo? I normally get abuse for suggesting that they are even a possibility.

I realized that later and already addressed it.

I believe it is possible to scum slip, anyone who does not think it is possible should read M56.

[Jamiet99uk]

If only you knew the tremendous lack of respect ghug has for ND you would realize how hilarious this is.

I honestly don't think he could have made a more offensive comparison.

This is hilarious. If anything, ghug so far seems as if Durga aggressively hatescrewed ND and then ND gave birth to a gremlin child.

This post violates minimum standards of etiquette and human decency. Please stop cyber-bullying Ghug.

[Jamiet99uk]

@Demon I'm sorry, I'm just not seeing what's so scummy with that post. You think it's fishing for PRs?

That's why I was trying to be cryptic. I'm not inherently scummy, but it's very anti-VT

I guess I don't understand why you would have to be cryptic here. If you think it is scummy why would you be coy about it. We are trying to catch scum. I don't understand.

We are trying to catch scum, not help them find our PRs.

[Jamiet99uk]

Tom Bombadil is giving me weird vibes this game.

[damo666]

Bunny and Jamie are clearly town.

That's it so far.

@damo666. I don't disagree with you. I won't say they're clearly town to me, but they are more town than not. What is it that has sealed it for you?

Style

[damo666]

That's why I was trying to be cryptic. I'm not inherently scummy, but it's very anti-VT

I guess I don't understand why you would have to be cryptic here. If you think it is scummy why would you be coy about it. We are trying to catch scum. I don't understand.

Because Damo is probably scum or PR.

No go back and look at the sequence of posts. If anyone is obviously not VT it is Jamie.

[Jamiet99uk]

Like what is this shit by RHK? I wish he would elaborate instead of being all fake dramatic.

He comes in and says that he thinks with near certainty that damo is not town.

Which means either RHK strongly thinks damo is scum, but apparently doesn't want to either start a wagon, explain why, or push a wagon

or

He thinks damo is 3rd party and is basically outing the role

Fine Tom, since some people can't exercise a little fucking tact and try to keep shit under wraps lemme finishing pissing Jamie off.

NO ONE WHO'S READ A VT PM WOULD SAY THAT.

Fucking happy?

A couple of things:

1. You asserted that Damo is 100% not town, but did you realise what you actually meant was 100% not VT? I didn't want to mention this earlier but the cat is definitely no longer in the bag.

2. Did you notice Therul's post on Page 15 when he voted for me? Surely it's clear he had not read the VT PM either. Noob scum?

[Jamiet99uk]

I guess I don't understand why you would have to be cryptic here. If you think it is scummy why would you be coy about it. We are trying to catch scum. I don't understand.

Because Damo is probably scum or PR.

No go back and look at the sequence of posts. If anyone is obviously not VT it is Jamie.

What?

How do you conclude this?

[damo666]

Because Damo is probably scum or PR.

Huh. This seems a first, rdr brazenly calling damo scum or PR so quickly, what pings you?

Haven't you read what Demon said? And I had the same feeling when I read Damo post: no vanilla town who had received a PM saying he have the most important role will interpret Ghug reference as the chosen one.

I wasn't interpreting ghug, I was interpreting Jamie who was interpreting ghug. Got it?

[Jamiet99uk]

Huh. This seems a first, rdr brazenly calling damo scum or PR so quickly, what pings you?

Haven't you read what Demon said? And I had the same feeling when I read Damo post: no vanilla town who had received a PM saying he have the most important role will interpret Ghug reference as the chosen one.

I wasn't interpreting ghug, I was interpreting Jamie who was interpreting ghug. Got it?

I was not saying anything about the Chosen One.

The Chosen One does not know who they are at the start of the game; they think they are just a VT.

This is irrelevant to my response to Ghug.

[damo666]

Because Damo is probably scum or PR.

No go back and look at the sequence of posts. If anyone is obviously not VT it is Jamie.

What?

How do you conclude this?

Because of your post admonishing ghug. I assumed you were telling him not to claim Chosen One as opposed to not claiming VT.

It's all a question of 'most important role' which can be interpreted as either Chosen One or VT (even by VTs).

I'm guessing from your reaction we are actually both VT.

Rdr and Demon have got overly excited.

A bit like people getting overly excited by the typo due to the game expanding.

[damo666]

@Jamie sorry I got it wrong. Having reread you were clearly warning people not to claim VT.

My mistake (which is NAI in mpov but individuals can think what they like).

Having reread I now am wondering about rdr whose post I shouldn't have commented on so readily.

##vote rdr

[BunnyGo]

I see that you did point out that there was an error in the setup, but it is still odd that you did not assume this error was the source of BunnyGo saying there were 4 agents instead of suggesting the possibility that there were 4 agents besides himself.

I'm scumhunting as best I can and it seemed plausible, since he claimed to have spent a lot of time reviewing the setup earlier on. Someone who took the time to know the finer details of the mechanics would surely know how many scum are in the game without relying on the GM post, was my reasoning. But as it ended up I just got him to townslip, so mission accomplished regardless. We have a weak alignment lean on a player. Not much more you can really do on D1.

I don't see many other people doing much other than sifting through the results of my efforts and claiming that as contribution.

From reading post 2, it is easy to see why a town may have thought there are only 4 mafia. Why were you so sure there are 5 mafia?

Bozo asking the interesting questions. I missed this the first time.

[BunnyGo]

So we're discussing whether the best strategy for Town is to ally with the Virus, help them to win, whilst also using the Virus to take shots at scum?

Sounds interesting.

Yes, that is the idea. Town doesn't care if / when Virus attains their win conditions, as long as Virus helps Town get Scum significantly lower than the current 5...

How did you know there were 5 mafia?

And this!

[BunnyGo]

Looking at this again, what you wrote could be a potential scum slip, since you copied part of the setup that says there are 4 agents and then stated there are 5 agents without pointing out the mistake in what you copied.

What do you think he meant by "Flum can't math right", if not to point out that there was a mistake in the numbers?

Do you believe in scum slips, Bozo? I normally get abuse for suggesting that they are even a possibility.

I realized that later and already addressed it.

I believe it is possible to scum slip, anyone who does not think it is possible should read M56.

That game was certainly something.

[BunnyGo]

Haven't you read what Demon said? And I had the same feeling when I read Damo post: no vanilla town who had received a PM saying he have the most important role will interpret Ghug reference as the chosen one.

I wasn't interpreting ghug, I was interpreting Jamie who was interpreting ghug. Got it?

I was not saying anything about the Chosen One.

The Chosen One does not know who they are at the start of the game; they think they are just a VT.

This is irrelevant to my response to Ghug.

WHAT?! Why is there a PM for them in the opening post?!

[BunnyGo]

Hi Bismark. I see you here. Any comments on why you thought there were 5 scum?

[Tom Bombadil]

I wasn't interpreting ghug, I was interpreting Jamie who was interpreting ghug. Got it?

I was not saying anything about the Chosen One.

The Chosen One does not know who they are at the start of the game; they think they are just a VT.

This is irrelevant to my response to Ghug.

WHAT?! Why is there a PM for them in the opening post?!

Jamie is wrong. You are correct.

[BunnyGo]

Hi Bismark. I see you here. Any comments on why you thought there were 5 scum?

Hello again @Bismarck. Comment this time?