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Didn't that happen in the old forum where you couldn't see who and when they did it?
At least now you can see who did it, and if you click their profile it shows how recently they've done it. It would be a very risky form of cheating.

Unless they coordinated to remove the plus ones after they signalled to living teammates, but if they're doing that they might as well cheat by just DMing.

Fluminator wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:15 pm

Didn't that happen in the old forum where you couldn't see who and when they did it?
At least now you can see who did it, and if you click their profile it shows how recently they've done it. It would be a very risky form of cheating.

I forgot that you can see when people +1. Never mind, I withdraw my concern

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:23 pm

BunnyGo wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:28 pm

Will I be allowed to announce my discard?

Yes, you will. I don't see a good reason to prevent that. Taking up Ghug's suggestion and not listing the discard pile means there's less danger of the game being broken by people mass-claiming their discards (remember there are also 22 cards that will never have been in circulation).

I think because there will be 20+ cards not in distribution, you could list the discarded cards and not break the game. A Mass claim on discards will always be subject to WIFOM because of the cards not actually used.

worcej wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:53 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:23 pm

BunnyGo wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:28 pm

Will I be allowed to announce my discard?

Yes, you will. I don't see a good reason to prevent that. Taking up Ghug's suggestion and not listing the discard pile means there's less danger of the game being broken by people mass-claiming their discards (remember there are also 22 cards that will never have been in circulation).

I think because there will be 20+ cards not in distribution, you could list the discarded cards and not break the game. A Mass claim on discards will always be subject to WIFOM because of the cards not actually used.

I suppose the question is:

Is there a good reason, from a game balance perspective, why the discard pile *should* be revealed? Does concealing the contents of the discard pile cause any faction an unfair disadvantage?

If the answer is "no" then I'm inclined not to list the discarded cards.

@Jamie will you be declaring how many rolecards of each type there are? If so then if the discards are revealed then it might be possible to determine if particular roles are absent from the game. Not sure if this matters particularly but I just thought I'd throw it out there for consideration.

damo666 wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:28 pm

@Jamie will you be declaring how many rolecards of each type there are? If so then if the discards are revealed then it might be possible to determine if particular roles are absent from the game. Not sure if this matters particularly but I just thought I'd throw it out there for consideration.

A list will be provided listing every individual card, like this:

Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Cop
Cop
Vanilla Cop
Doctor
Tracker
Conspiracy Theorist
Conspiracy Theorist
....

<snip>

Before anyone asks "what's a conspiracy theorist", and do please note the full setup is still being studied by Dargorygel for his comments, and I therefore don't expect to open sign-ups until Friday / Saturday, here's the Conspiracy Theorist Role PM (draft):

CONSPIRACY THEORIST
Each night you may investigate another player to see if they are an Alien. You will get a result of either "Alien" or "Human". You are aligned with the town and win or lose according to the town's win condition. However, your contact with restricted alien artefacts has tainted you, and you will scan as "Alien" to anyone else capable of detecting Aliens.

Well I was gonna take a break but I don’t see how I can sit out my opportunity to roleplay as Alex Jones or the Ancient Aliens guy

President Eden wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 20, 2021 6:54 pm

Well I was gonna take a break but I don’t see how I can sit out my opportunity to roleplay as Alex Jones or the Ancient Aliens guy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JRLCBb7qK8

President Eden wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:02 pm

Would anybody even take such reads seriously? If the person openly announced their intention to do it then perhaps, but I don't even imagine bozo doing a deep dive on a dead townie's +1s

I do see your point about the potential to exploit +1s

I read a lot on my phone and wonder what the plus 1s are signaling. If I read too soon, what does someone making a plus 1 say about their mental state? What if my scummate and I are the only ones on and use some plus 1 to signal each other without leaving evidence.

I strongly vote no plus 1. Go find other posts of theirs and plus those.

BunnyGo wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 20, 2021 7:37 pm

President Eden wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:02 pm

Would anybody even take such reads seriously? If the person openly announced their intention to do it then perhaps, but I don't even imagine bozo doing a deep dive on a dead townie's +1s

I do see your point about the potential to exploit +1s

I read a lot on my phone and wonder what the plus 1s are signaling. If I read too soon, what does someone making a plus 1 say about their mental state? What if my scummate and I are the only ones on and use some plus 1 to signal each other without leaving evidence.

I strongly vote no plus 1. Go find other posts of theirs and plus those.

You can check the +1s on your phone too, for the record. I pretty much exclusively play from my phone and have no problem with it.

I'm of two minds on this. I remember too well all the drama before, and there are obviously still potential issues with +1ing and then un+1ing, but I also like internet points.

Also, finding other posts and +1ing those is the worst option. That's even harder for those not involved to understand. Communication should stay in the game.

ghug wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 20, 2021 7:55 pm

BunnyGo wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 20, 2021 7:37 pm

President Eden wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:02 pm

Would anybody even take such reads seriously? If the person openly announced their intention to do it then perhaps, but I don't even imagine bozo doing a deep dive on a dead townie's +1s

I do see your point about the potential to exploit +1s

I read a lot on my phone and wonder what the plus 1s are signaling. If I read too soon, what does someone making a plus 1 say about their mental state? What if my scummate and I are the only ones on and use some plus 1 to signal each other without leaving evidence.

I strongly vote no plus 1. Go find other posts of theirs and plus those.

You can check the +1s on your phone too, for the record. I pretty much exclusively play from my phone and have no problem with it.

I'm of two minds on this. I remember too well all the drama before, and there are obviously still potential issues with +1ing and then un+1ing, but I also like internet points.

The least nefarious reason I don’t like it:

If I read early and often, I miss the signals that others give.
If I read on the bot, I miss it entirely

There’s a reason we play with uneditable posts all in temporal order.

ghug wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 20, 2021 7:56 pm

Also, finding other posts and +1ing those is the worst option. That's even harder for those not involved to understand. Communication should stay in the game.

That’s just for internet points. In the last game I announced I would do it. And I did it.

BunnyGo wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 20, 2021 7:57 pm

ghug wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 20, 2021 7:56 pm

Also, finding other posts and +1ing those is the worst option. That's even harder for those not involved to understand. Communication should stay in the game.

That’s just for internet points. In the last game I announced I would do it. And I did it.

Sure, but if we're going to allow that, we should just allow it in the thread. All of your concerns about +1ing in the thread apply at least as much and sometimes more to out of thread +1s.

We had several games with +1 allowed with no drama.

I know any game I GM will have +1ing.

It's fun.

It is worth noting that for scum to coordinate +1 communication, they'd either have to plan it in their QT, which the GM could put a stop to, or they'd have to communicate illegally to begin with, at which point, they could just... communicate illegally.

My main point of temporal reading being different is still unaddressed and crucial. Two people can read the same thread and find different information because someone else +1 in between.