wD Mafia Master Post

[Jamiet99uk]

So like, I might be able to choose if I’m scum or town or 3P or 4p? So people not only have to read each other, but read what they think each other would pick if given the chance?

Yeah, and who would ever choose to be scum?

I would. I mean, I'll be GM-ing this one, of course. But as a player, given a free choice, I'd choose to be scum nearly every time. I prefer playing as Mafia.

[kgray]

So like, I might be able to choose if I’m scum or town or 3P or 4p? So people not only have to read each other, but read what they think each other would pick if given the chance?

Yeah, and who would ever choose to be scum?

I would. I mean, I'll be GM-ing this one, of course. But as a player, given a free choice, I'd choose to be scum nearly every time. I prefer playing as Mafia.

It was a joke, I'd choose scum too. I even asked in the game thread to be recruited a couple games ago

[Jamiet99uk]

(Literally so much so that if you threw me into this setup as a player, I'd do things like choosing "Mafia Goon" over "Cop")

[Jamiet99uk]

Yeah, and who would ever choose to be scum?

I would. I mean, I'll be GM-ing this one, of course. But as a player, given a free choice, I'd choose to be scum nearly every time. I prefer playing as Mafia.

It was a joke, I'd choose scum too. I even asked in the game thread to be recruited a couple games ago

Ohhh, sorry.

[Jamiet99uk]

The Aliens are fun faction with fun roles. I will reveal the listed role names but then go to bed, so as to leave you guessing what these roles are, until tomorrow.

Alien Prober
Alien Vanillaiser
Alien Bloodsucker
Alien Sympathiser
Bulletproof Alien Lover
Alien Psychotrooper
Alien Silencer
Alien One-shot Mass Redirector

The Alien faction has only a one-shot factional nightkill for the whole game. To make up for the reduced nightkills, Aliens have powerful roles. Also, if there is a tie in the endgame (which can happen in multiball setups), the Aliens win.

[kgray]

The Aliens are fun faction with fun roles. I will reveal the listed role names but then go to bed, so as to leave you guessing what these roles are, until tomorrow.

Alien Prober
Alien Vanillaiser
Alien Bloodsucker
Alien Sympathiser
Bulletproof Alien Lover
Alien Psychotrooper
Alien Silencer
Alien One-shot Mass Redirector

The Alien faction has only a one-shot factional nightkill for the whole game. To make up for the reduced nightkills, Aliens have powerful roles. Also, if there is a tie in the endgame (which can happen in multiball setups), the Aliens win.

inb4 emc is the alien prober

[e.m.c^42]

I mean, if you're "in" before me...

[ghug]

Have you considered not revealing which cards were discarded? It seems like there's potential for massclaiming what you got rid of, which is a lot of info.

[Bonatogether]

Are +1s allowed?

[President Eden]

Are +1s allowed?

I'm glad SOMEONE is askin the real fuckin questions around here!

[Jamiet99uk]

Have you considered not revealing which cards were discarded? It seems like there's potential for massclaiming what you got rid of, which is a lot of info.

I have been thinking about that, yes. Whenever this setup is run on MafiaScum, they reveal the discards. I'm not entirely sure why, and my initial instinct was not to do so. I'm glad you had the same thought...

[Jamiet99uk]

Are +1s allowed?

I'm glad SOMEONE is askin the real fuckin questions around here!

I'm a bit of a traditionalist on that count.

I was around when +1-ing was banned in Mafia. My concern is that you can't immediately see who has left the +1, but faction members or partners who had decided to cheat would be able to look out for +1's by their dead chums, and the GM wouldn't notice. So I'm inclined to keep the ban in my game.

[Jamiet99uk]

(And you have to remember, I'm an expert on this topic, because I have a lot of +1's. The most of all time, in fact, the biggest, and the American people realise, I know, they all say it, it's the best of all time, and very popular.

[Jamiet99uk]

)

[BunnyGo]

Are +1s allowed?

I'm glad SOMEONE is askin the real fuckin questions around here!

I'm a bit of a traditionalist on that count.

I was around when +1-ing was banned in Mafia. My concern is that you can't immediately see who has left the +1, but faction members or partners who had decided to cheat would be able to look out for +1's by their dead chums, and the GM wouldn't notice. So I'm inclined to keep the ban in my game.

Will I be allowed to announce my discard?

[Jamiet99uk]

Will I be allowed to announce my discard?

Yes, you will. I don't see a good reason to prevent that. Taking up Ghug's suggestion and not listing the discard pile means there's less danger of the game being broken by people mass-claiming their discards (remember there are also 22 cards that will never have been in circulation).

[Chaqa]

Are +1s allowed?

I'm glad SOMEONE is askin the real fuckin questions around here!

I'm a bit of a traditionalist on that count.

I was around when +1-ing was banned in Mafia. My concern is that you can't immediately see who has left the +1, but faction members or partners who had decided to cheat would be able to look out for +1's by their dead chums, and the GM wouldn't notice. So I'm inclined to keep the ban in my game.

Has this ever actually happened?

You can see who leaves +1 from desktop. I don't think there's much likelihood of this happening. If mafia teammates were coordinating around +1s, there would be evidence in their mafia QT and they could be dealt with.

I would strongly ask and encourage +1s to be allowed in most games going forward.

[Jamiet99uk]

I'm glad SOMEONE is askin the real fuckin questions around here!

I'm a bit of a traditionalist on that count.

I was around when +1-ing was banned in Mafia. My concern is that you can't immediately see who has left the +1, but faction members or partners who had decided to cheat would be able to look out for +1's by their dead chums, and the GM wouldn't notice. So I'm inclined to keep the ban in my game.

Has this ever actually happened?

You can see who leaves +1 from desktop. I don't think there's much likelihood of this happening. If mafia teammates were coordinating around +1s, there would be evidence in their mafia QT and they could be dealt with.

I would strongly ask and encourage +1s to be allowed in most games going forward.

It actually happened that someone died and then after they saw the God QT, they then went through the thread +1-ing anyone who had declared a scum-read on a particular person, to indicate that that person was scum. This was a real event which actually took place, and that's why the rule was introduced.

[Chaqa]

I'm a bit of a traditionalist on that count.

I was around when +1-ing was banned in Mafia. My concern is that you can't immediately see who has left the +1, but faction members or partners who had decided to cheat would be able to look out for +1's by their dead chums, and the GM wouldn't notice. So I'm inclined to keep the ban in my game.

Has this ever actually happened?

You can see who leaves +1 from desktop. I don't think there's much likelihood of this happening. If mafia teammates were coordinating around +1s, there would be evidence in their mafia QT and they could be dealt with.

I would strongly ask and encourage +1s to be allowed in most games going forward.

It actually happened that someone died and then after they saw the God QT, they then went through the thread +1-ing anyone who had declared a scum-read on a particular person, to indicate that that person was scum. This was a real event which actually took place, and that's why the rule was introduced.

I had forgotten we didn't use to disallow +1.

We've not had any issues with it recently, though. The games with +1s (there have been a few) have been without issue. Just make a punishment for anyone abusing +1 for those kinds of reasons and it should be fine, as well as a "dead players can't +1 until end of game" rule.

[President Eden]

Would anybody even take such reads seriously? If the person openly announced their intention to do it then perhaps, but I don't even imagine bozo doing a deep dive on a dead townie's +1s

I do see your point about the potential to exploit +1s