M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

[Jamiet99uk]

The switch to me about to happen.

kgray voters STAND FIRM.

Go fuck yourself.

Sore loser

Yes, Damo, you are right.

I fear that your team is about to win.

A sad day for town. Well done Mafia.

[xorxes]

@xorxes you're seriously not at all even trying to convince anyone I'm scum!!

@bozo/Bunny, does this really seem like town-xorxes to you?? He's not even pushing a case in lylo!! Bunny you said earlier this game that scum just hang back and try to watch town screw themselves up. Do you not think that's what it looks like xorxes is doing?

I am not sure about xorxes, but he pushes cases when he is confident in them, not just to be pushing them. I am more concerned about BunnyGo and Balki, I think they could be setting up to make a jump at EOD.

He was "confident" enough that I am scum on D6 when he flat-out TOLD Bunny to vote for me to avoid a tie and get my lynched in mylo.

There was a danger that Flum would vote for damo, so the tie was in no way a sure thing.

[Jamiet99uk]

I can't stand this much more so I'm going outside for 10 minutes.

really don't want to move my vote because I am highly confident of my read on Xorxes. He's scum.

IF YOU ARE TOWN, VOTE FOR XORXES.

[kgray]

@bozo does that mean you will not vote for xorxes?

I will vote for him if it helps get a wagon to 5 or 6, it is better to take a chance on one wagon than having split wagons and giving scum the easy win.

You'd rather vote where it is likely that scum are voting than for your scumreads? If a wagon is at 5 it certainly has at least one scum on it. If the wagons are 4-3, it is possible that all 2 scum are on the one with 3.

[kgray]

@bozo does that mean you will not vote for xorxes?

I will vote for him if it helps get a wagon to 5 or 6, it is better to take a chance on one wagon than having split wagons and giving scum the easy win.

You'd rather vote where it is likely that scum are voting than for your scumreads? If a wagon is at 5 it certainly has at least one scum on it. If the wagons are 4-3, it is possible that all 2 scum are on the one with 3.

*3 scum, that was a typo not a "slip"

[bozotheclown]

@Bozo:

Please look at my analysis on Xorxes. It's important.

I have looked at M42 previously because it is the only case I ever found of xorxes voting for a scum teammate when the teammate was not already caught. This is significant because before that game, xorxes as town would point out that he never busses as scum. I suspect he avoiding bussing before that so he could make that claim as town and have it be believable. There are many cases where xorxes has scum read scum teammates for distancing, but not voted for them. In M42, MoscowFleet and xorxes were both under significant suspicion already, so it was a case where xorxes was not just distancing himself from MoscowFleet to look good, but also to make MoscowFleet look good if xorxes was lynched first. On D3, xorxes started the wagon on Bob after rdrivera said he would vote for Bob, so xorxes knew the wagon would go to 2. Yes, it could be bussing, but if it is, it is something xorxes has not done previously, and xorxes will never again be able to claim that he does not bus as scum.

He already can't claim that because he did it as scum in M42 as you have just acknowledged.

This is his second time.

Vote for him.

I had this discussion with xorxes in M1009, where he claimed he was unlikely to be bussing, despite M42. I think he deliberately avoids bussing unnecessarily so that he can make that argument as town, I do not see why he would go out of his way to bus Bob when Bob was not looking like a likely lynch.

[bozotheclown]

@bozo does that mean you will not vote for xorxes?

I will vote for him if it helps get a wagon to 5 or 6, it is better to take a chance on one wagon than having split wagons and giving scum the easy win.

You'd rather vote where it is likely that scum are voting than for your scumreads? If a wagon is at 5 it certainly has at least one scum on it. If the wagons are 4-3, it is possible that all 2 scum are on the one with 3.

There are 3 scum, and they are likely split.

[kgray]

I will vote for him if it helps get a wagon to 5 or 6, it is better to take a chance on one wagon than having split wagons and giving scum the easy win.

You'd rather vote where it is likely that scum are voting than for your scumreads? If a wagon is at 5 it certainly has at least one scum on it. If the wagons are 4-3, it is possible that all 2 scum are on the one with 3.

There are 3 scum, and they are likely split.

Yes, it was a typo. I am not convinced they are split. But I'm confident in one scumpair, and they are currently both voting together, and they're voting for town.

[xorxes]

I have looked at M42 previously because it is the only case I ever found of xorxes voting for a scum teammate when the teammate was not already caught. This is significant because before that game, xorxes as town would point out that he never busses as scum. I suspect he avoiding bussing before that so he could make that claim as town and have it be believable. There are many cases where xorxes has scum read scum teammates for distancing, but not voted for them. In M42, MoscowFleet and xorxes were both under significant suspicion already, so it was a case where xorxes was not just distancing himself from MoscowFleet to look good, but also to make MoscowFleet look good if xorxes was lynched first. On D3, xorxes started the wagon on Bob after rdrivera said he would vote for Bob, so xorxes knew the wagon would go to 2. Yes, it could be bussing, but if it is, it is something xorxes has not done previously, and xorxes will never again be able to claim that he does not bus as scum.

He already can't claim that because he did it as scum in M42 as you have just acknowledged.

This is his second time.

Vote for him.

I had this discussion with xorxes in M1009, where he claimed he was unlikely to be bussing, despite M42. I think he deliberately avoids bussing unnecessarily so that he can make that argument as town, I do not see why he would go out of his way to bus Bob when Bob was not looking like a likely lynch.

I don't avoid it for that reason, I avoid it because it doesn't feel right to me to vote for a teammate, and it rarely gives anyone any towncred anyway.

[Balki Bartokomous]

I can't stand this much more so I'm going outside for 10 minutes.

really don't want to move my vote because I am highly confident of my read on Xorxes. He's scum.

IF YOU ARE TOWN, VOTE FOR XORXES.

I don't think Bunny will vote there. He is being weird.

Do you think Bozo is last town?

I'll go for either Damo or Xorx. But we need four to make a party.

[kgray]

I don't avoid it for that reason, I avoid it because it doesn't feel right to me to vote for a teammate, and it rarely gives anyone any towncred anyway.

Seriously, you guys. We're less than 20 minutes away from a lynch in lylo and instead of xorxes trying to convince town that his top scumread is scum, he's spending his time talking about this.

[Balki Bartokomous]

I will vote for him if it helps get a wagon to 5 or 6, it is better to take a chance on one wagon than having split wagons and giving scum the easy win.

You'd rather vote where it is likely that scum are voting than for your scumreads? If a wagon is at 5 it certainly has at least one scum on it. If the wagons are 4-3, it is possible that all 2 scum are on the one with 3.

There are 3 scum, and they are likely split.

I don't think they are split. Because I am town, and I cannot build any wagon of four unless I vote for kgray, my #1 town read at this point.

[Balki Bartokomous]

@Bozo, are you town bro? What is your read of me?

[Balki Bartokomous]

@Bozo, aren't you worried that you are not voting with me? Do you think I am scum?

[damo666]

You'd rather vote where it is likely that scum are voting than for your scumreads? If a wagon is at 5 it certainly has at least one scum on it. If the wagons are 4-3, it is possible that all 2 scum are on the one with 3.

There are 3 scum, and they are likely split.

I don't think they are split. Because I am town, and I cannot build any wagon of four unless I vote for kgray, my #1 town read at this point.

If you are town you should be voting kgray

[xorxes]

I don't avoid it for that reason, I avoid it because it doesn't feel right to me to vote for a teammate, and it rarely gives anyone any towncred anyway.

Seriously, you guys. We're less than 20 minutes away from a lynch in lylo and instead of xorxes trying to convince town that his top scumread is scum, he's spending his time talking about this.

I have given my arguments. If Jamie is town, I doubt there's anything more I can say to change his mind.

[bozotheclown]

You'd rather vote where it is likely that scum are voting than for your scumreads? If a wagon is at 5 it certainly has at least one scum on it. If the wagons are 4-3, it is possible that all 2 scum are on the one with 3.

There are 3 scum, and they are likely split.

Yes, it was a typo. I am not convinced they are split. But I'm confident in one scumpair, and they are currently both voting together, and they're voting for town.

I do not think a damo, xorxes, BunnyGo scum team is very likely, so I think the scum are split.

As for your first question, I very much prefer to vote for my top scum read, which is what I am doing. I will vote for other scum possibilities if the alternative is a guaranteed loss.

[Balki Bartokomous]

@Bunny,

Do you have a preference between kgray and Damo?!?

If you prefer to lynch Damo, I'm sure you can. Join me.

[Jamiet99uk]

I can't stand this much more so I'm going outside for 10 minutes.

really don't want to move my vote because I am highly confident of my read on Xorxes. He's scum.

IF YOU ARE TOWN, VOTE FOR XORXES.

I don't think Bunny will vote there. He is being weird.

Do you think Bozo is last town?

I'll go for either Damo or Xorx. But we need four to make a party.

Bozo has declared he wants to vote with scum, so fuck knows what he's on if he's town.

[Balki Bartokomous]

There are 3 scum, and they are likely split.

Yes, it was a typo. I am not convinced they are split. But I'm confident in one scumpair, and they are currently both voting together, and they're voting for town.

I do not think a damo, xorxes, BunnyGo scum team is very likely, so I think the scum are split.

As for your first question, I very much prefer to vote for my top scum read, which is what I am doing. I will vote for other scum possibilities if the alternative is a guaranteed loss.

It is 4-3.

Don't you see that you have to vote with all town?

Come on man.