M53: Mafia 1 Redux

[BunnyGo]

#VOTE PEDRO

??

[Kitsune]

probably?

what do you mean probably?

kit?

I mean I believe there are 1 or 2 in that group.

I'm less certain which, but let me give an impromptu gut Read list while I'm wading through your ISO.

kak - feels scummy
jamie - feels towny, if sometimes frustrating
damo - feels scumlean
or bunny - feels 'towny' for a drunkbunny definition of towny. Like jamie, sometimes frustrating.

If I had to call it now I'd say of the four, kak is scum and maybe damo too.

why damo
why kak

I did just literally say gut.

Fine, I'll ditch my dive through your ISO and construct some actual reasoned explanation on the four prematurely. Or at least on the two.

Kakarroto - SCUM

It's been said that players who roleplay in Mafia tend to be Town, but in my mind this is exactly the definition of making a pretext for noise over signal posting. So scum points for the Emperor of Austria thing (don't know if this is 'conducive to his meta' or not, but I haven't played with him before that I recall so I can't go off my own knowledge here).

Played along with Bozo's scheme while carefully explaining why there was nothing to read from the names he picked; feels unnecessarily defensive.

Then the isekai thing began, which while I personally find a cute idea isn't helping Town. It just clutters up our discussion with more noise so the signal can't get through.

Then the Dip banter about moving fleets into the Adriatic and Austria being the first to die... he's definitely not a lurker, but I'm a third of the way through his ISO and haven't found a meaningful post yet (next two posts after I wrote this are actually reviewing other people's posts, so may be just a prolonged Day 1 nonsense stream).

Avoids EMC's wagon completely and goes for Jamie (currently my top town read).

Night 1 he suddenly sobers up and is much more to the point - and also with a LOT less posting (D1 wordcount: 2603, N1 wordcount: 85) which feels like he was busy in another chat somewhere and also being told that he was drawing too much attention. Looking ahead, D2 he talks less than half as much (1169 words).

He keeps chasing Jamie as the SK (which arguably is more a Mafia concern than Town and calls him "off" - which I presume is a shorthand for experienced players to say "he's not playing by his usual meta".

He defends you (Brain), insists Jamie is guilty and then leaps sideways onto Bozo without really having considered him in his own investigations before. Was he sheeping someone? Can't see it in his ISO, but that could explain it. He jumped literally one minute before EoD, so could have been jumping to protect Brain as much as because he thought Bozo should actually receive the lynch.

He starts getting chattier again N2 (presumably less to coordinate in the scum QT by this point with a solid town lynch), but given the SK gets nk'd I'd expect he'll be quieter again tonight as he coordinates things with his team.

Some of this was the Isekai stuff again, which is just noise over signal once more. Like the concept, don't like the distraction of it mid game. Can't immediately tell what he's distracting from at this point.

So yeah, not thrilled with his voting record or his ISO.

##vote Kakarroto

(Sorry Kakar, and yes I'd love an onsen break after the game is over. I wish they had those over here).

On to Damo!

[BunnyGo]

These lead wagons suck

[BunnyGo]

These lead wagons suck

##VOTE FLASH

[foodcoats]

I agree with this assessment. I usually have a justified town-clear to alighn with (sheep?) at this point in the game, but it's not happening here. Feeling unanchored which is leading me to hop my vote around too much.

Fox, Food and Kit have made me challenge my bias'.

Fox & Kit got EMC right.
Fox & Kit got Bozo wrong.
Crap that's a wash... was hoping for something cooler.

I'll focus on the other wagons votes
Flash
Damo (who i've gone from Town to Null on),
Kak (who i've gone from scum-lean to Null),
Kalel (Obviously I know he's wrong here... If it's me I hope we all learn something)

Food
Brain (who i've gone from scum to Null on),
Brain (okay, consistency here, but I think many of us are finding him less scummy (which could be scummy in itself))
Damo (Hmmmm.... there's been a lot of case made here recently)

##Vote Damo

Also, you have nothing better than to vote a null?

I really don't. I'm not following at all without my old methods.

I can tell you all that I am VT, but have no reads or anything on anyone. I know very lame.

Again, if it will help town then vote me out. Not sure I should be playing this game.

Don't get down on yourself. This game is incredibly hard and everything you do will be scrutinized no matter what. It is basically impossible to do the right thing ever.

What do you mean by your "old methods?"

[Jamiet99uk]

#VOTE PEDRO

??

You uncultured youth. You don't get this reference?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHL5iQJLvNU

[brainbomb]

Fox is very dangerous as scum
he has a natural talent typically for looking like a leader when he wants. And hes very good at writing towny looking material. I can say fox is in the low tier of any townread for his bozo lynch. The night debate where rivera lists him, he lists rivera and rivera dies by maf nk. it certainly could be incriminating.

though I didnt really wanna shoot fox. and obviously rivera wanted vecna dead, maybe to kill scum. its possible he sr vecna, or the kill was motivated to assist scum.

either way I think scum didnt plan to kill.sk. they maybe thought that since rivera said shoot fox, that we would equate the kill to be protectivist

I think my record would show that, except for my first game where I won by being a newbie/nobody, I haven't won a game as scum since. And the only time I managed to become town leader was when everyone else was dead and I managed to mislynch anyway

I like this post alot actually. lol.

[brainbomb]

flash2015
Day-3 23:11
page 116 / orig
↑damo666: "Agreed. And I'm VT ( as brain says I'm obvious as scum).

##vote Kalel.

If Kalel flips town then very likely that BOTH..."

I will join this. I believe now that Kalel is more likely to be scum than you. ##VOTE Kalel

how did this post convince you damo was inno.lol

[BobMcBob]

Bob, you voted Kalel because people thought it was either you or him. Since you're safe from the lynch today, what do you think about the wagons in play?

I might prefer damo to Kalel now I think. I don't like his views on me vs Kalel. It may just be that he's town and so he's pretty much certain that it has to be me or Kalel, but I don't like it. I'm pretty sure one of us is scum, so I'd like to see one of the others lynched.

##Vote Damo

[brainbomb]

flash or damo are scum. not both.

flash willingness to push a late damo wagon day 1 is interesting as a way to maybe save emc alongside bunnygo

[brainbomb]

I do think 1 is probably mafia. bunny pushing flash feels like a bus. Not sure how ekse to read it

[brainbomb]

BobMcBob (4) Squigs44 damo666 bozotheclown KalelChase
Jamiet99uk (2) Kakarroto rdrivera2005
damo666 (2) BunnyGo flash2015
brainbomb (1) foodcoats

[brainbomb]

flipping damo gives a good insight on bunny and flashs motive for why they pushed that option late

[brainbomb]

did flash say why he townreads damo now?

[Jamiet99uk]

did flash say why he townreads damo now?

Not really, no:

I have to believe that AT LEAST one of Kalel or Damo is scum (I can't believe three Mafia bussed emc, perhaps one or two). This is assuming that of course me and BB are both town.

Agreed. And I'm VT ( as brain says I'm obvious as scum).

##vote Kalel.

If Kalel flips town then very likely that BOTH Bob and Bunny are scum.

Kalel karrot food I think which is a slight shame because Bunny Karrot Food would be much funnier.

I will join this. I believe now that Kalel is more likely to be scum than you. ##VOTE Kalel

[brainbomb]

I dont think im moving my vote.

bunny-jamie-damo still feels like the team.
and if its not damo its flash. so the games mostly solved.

kak is a distant possibility tho.

[brainbomb]

Non scum: Bob Fox Jamie Kits Vecna

damo666
Night-1 05:55
page 56 / orig Scum team Bunny plus 3 from Bozo Kalel Karrotcake rdr Squigs

That should seal my NK

this is scummy. very scummy in fact

[brainbomb]

bunny tries to save both emc and himself, by bussing damo just in case he flips so damo.looks good.

since 1 scum is on emc and 1 scum is on bobmcbob
and emc is bussing bunny to make him look good.

[Jamiet99uk]

I dont think im moving my vote.

bunny-jamie-damo still feels like the team.
and if its not damo its flash. so the games mostly solved.

kak is a distant possibility tho.

I am town.

[brainbomb]

the entire scumteam is bussing a different member day 1 because damo, bunny, emc are all voting one another in some capacity