M53: Mafia 1 Redux

[BunnyGo]

Notwithstanding my earlier advice, do people think that if Brain is not the Vig, the real Vig should claim, or not?

Which is more important? Confirming Brainbomb's guilt or innocence, or keeping the second Vig shot so it can be used tonight?

Opinions, please?

NO you buffoon! That just means they get roleblocked. There's only one person for the scum team to meaningfully roleblock. It's also why BB claiming is such a shite move. It's literally cutting off his own balls and handing them to the scum team.

[BunnyGo]

Notwithstanding my earlier advice, do people think that if Brain is not the Vig, the real Vig should claim, or not?

Which is more important? Confirming Brainbomb's guilt or innocence, or keeping the second Vig shot so it can be used tonight?

Opinions, please?

If there is a non brain vig they should not claim as they would invite roleblock.
I would treat any cc as scum. Even if the lead wagon cc'd I would ignore it.

I strongly think brain is badvig as I previously guessed.

If there is another vig they can just shoot brain.

Damo summarizes my many posts well. This is all true.

[BunnyGo]

This needs answering before we can proceed much further.

The answer is clear from the OP. Read the order of night actions.

All kills are simultaneous.

More likely brain RB'd vig then.

If Brain isn't bad vig, then more likely some random and handsome vig held his shot.

[damo666]

Bunny and I being on same wavelength kinda hints that Bunny is town.

Kalel Flash Karrot?

Poss Bob rather than Kalel.

@Bunny what do think of my supposition that either Bob or Kalel is scum?

[damo666]

The answer is clear from the OP. Read the order of night actions.

All kills are simultaneous.

More likely brain RB'd vig then.

If Brain isn't bad vig, then more likely some random and handsome vig held his shot.

Bugsvig lol

[BunnyGo]

Bunny's list of players from most handsome and towny, to most ugly and scummy:

1) Bunny (Me!)
2) BB (he's the vig!)
3) Fox (hmm)
4) Kitsune (maybe she's lurking?)
5) Jamie (probably town)
6) Kak (not sure what happened last night)
7) Kalel (possibly scum)
8) everyone else is scummy-ish at least

[BunnyGo]

Bunny and I being on same wavelength kinda hints that Bunny is town.

Kalel Flash Karrot?

Poss Bob rather than Kalel.

@Bunny what do think of my supposition that either Bob or Kalel is scum?

Need to research vote record more. Yours is less scummy than I was hoping, but I think if neither of them is scum, you may be.

Sadly it's almost 7 AM here and I have to get kids to school and me to work. Will be back and have much time in 12 hours to give more consideration.

[brainbomb]

ok

so lets say the game is stuck in this

GROUP A
Jamie
Damo
Bunny
Bb
Kalel

(Assume all of group A is town then the following is also true: all vocal, very strong opinions. prideful, paranoid, skeptical)

GROUP B
kit
fox
flash
mcbob
foodcoats

(absent, lurky, low on opinions, makes regular excuses for absenteeism. displays little to no opinion on gamestate
avoids major conflicts)


GROUP C
kakarrotto
(bizzare but active)


I understand conventional wisdom suggests town is A and scum is hiding in B. but Jamie has relentlessly tried to get me lynched every moment of the game since emc flipped. I was claiming my shot was on jamie and got roleblocked. It seems like in all worlds Jamie is probably scum here.

But if bunny. damo and jamie all are town who just hated how ive played and actively want me to not be the vig I cant do anything about it. the disturbing thing for me is that group B is never here until.EOD. kit is very questionable.

In tone I dont find damo scummy and never was gonna shoot him.
I had bunny as town until he started trying to get me killed

[brainbomb]

Flash might just be blind hard buddying me. not sure.

I feel pretty ok about kalel though

[damo666]

I am willing to vote for any of the following if a wagon gains traction:

Bob
Kalel
Flash
Karrot
Food

[brainbomb]

are you not at all concerned by fox?

[brainbomb]

##Unvote

I gotta rethink this whole game fresh knowing rivera got shot by scum. ill look at his reads

[BunnyGo]

I am willing to vote for any of the following if a wagon gains traction:

Bob
Kalel
Flash
Karrot
Food

Not kitsune?

[damo666]

I am willing to vote for any of the following if a wagon gains traction:

Bob
Kalel
Flash
Karrot
Food

Not kitsune?

Not today anyway. Ditto Fox (though he could've been bussing D1)

[Jamiet99uk]

Bunny's list of players from most handsome and towny, to most ugly and scummy:

1) Bunny (Me!)
2) BB (he's the vig!)
3) Fox (hmm)
4) Kitsune (maybe she's lurking?)
5) Jamie (probably town)
6) Kak (not sure what happened last night)
7) Kalel (possibly scum)
8) everyone else is scummy-ish at least

Why does "hmm" Foxcastle rank two places above "probably town" Jamie?

[Jamiet99uk]

##Unvote

I gotta rethink this whole game fresh knowing rivera got shot by scum. ill look at his reads

What?

How could this be new information to you? What information, available to you, has changed since EoN, with regard to Rdrivera's death?

The Serial Killer cannot shoot themselves.

You claim to be the Vig so, if that's true, you would know if you targeted Rdrivera or not (and you claimed you did not).

Who else has a nightkill?

The above post amounts to an admission that you are not the Vigilante.

[Jamiet99uk]

DAY ONE FINAL VOTES
e.m.c^42 (5) - Foxcastle, Jamiet99uk, BobMcBob, Kitsune, Vecna
BunnyGo (4) - Nephthys, xorxes, e.m.c^42, brainbomb
BobMcBob (4) - Squigs44, damo666, bozotheclown, KalelChase
Jamiet99uk (2) - Kakarroto, rdrivera2005
damo666 (2) - BunnyGo, flash2015
brainbomb (1) - foodcoats

DAY TWO FINAL VOTES
bozotheclown (6) - BobMcBob, BunnyGo, Kitsune, damo666, Foxcastle, Kakarroto
brainbomb (5) - Jamiet99uk, bozotheclown, KalelChase, foodcoats, rdrivera2005
Kakarroto (1) - flash2015
flash2015 (1) - Vecna
Jamiet99uk (1) - brainbomb

[brainbomb]

AHAHAHA OMG RIVERA?????

the scum killed the sk.

IM.CLEARED

Jamie

[brainbomb]

Vecna - probably town. Will probably get the nk this night. If not, night 3. If he's still alive then, I misread Vecna. Also he needs to do more D3 if he survives.

brainbomb - probably town. Let me on this tell you who I would've targeted, either food or jamie. But I still don't think you're the sk. Let me tell you at this point: congrats on your post 9000, even when you reached it some hours ago, didn't want to deviate the topic then

Foxcastle - probably town, pluspoints for his vigi-targets, I would've changed RD with jamie though, other than that pretty solid

rdrivera200 - probably town, a bit lurking but that's RD. I like many of his questions and conversation points, looks good.

Kitsune - leaning town - not here often, but the posts looks okay.

BobMcBob - leaning town - I didn't like him not following his reads from the night right at the start, maybe just unsure town, but I'm concerned

BunnyGo - townish - there are some good and some bad parts, I don't like that bunny and jamie both have kitsune missed but not flash, that kind of irks me

KalelChase - townish-ish, at least more than damo and flash. Has some nice posts.

foodcoats - I was leaning scum on foods, until I reread him in isolation, looks much better, townish. I think his read on brain and his different behaviour from last game made me see him worse at first.

damo666 - scumish - that argument with the votes/counts he had with bozo about the scumreads did stick out, where he left flash and foodcoats out for some counts.

flash2015 - scumish - mostly due to the absence, if he really is town, he's not helping or even trying. The only saving grace I can see is him voting for me (which is wrong since I know what role I am but for him I must feel like scum I guess, in case he's town)

Jamiet99uk - I still think he is the serial killer. Call me stupid, call my case nonexistent, maybe it is, but my intuition is telling me somethings pretty off and this is what make the most sense of it. And I think jamie is a lovely person, don't get me wrong there, I just think it adds too much for him being third party. Although, I think 'believe' is the best verb for that right now. I guess only definite proof will get me off of that believe.

And yeah, if you ask, 'where are his 3 maf', I'm with you, should be someone in the townish/leaning town category. My reads are top down, the higher the more I think they're town here.

also if I die, don't forget xorxes last post if vecna lives to day 4,

[brainbomb]

rdrivera2005
Night-2 04:51
page 97 / orig
↑foodcoats: "Obscene. damo tied the wagons with 4 minutes to go. rdr RE-tied them with 2 minutes to go."
I didn't re-tied the vote close to EOD. I tied it with more then one hour to EOD. Then I clearly stated I don't want to lynch Bozo and moved to Jamiet, making it 5 Brain, 4 Jamiet and 3 Bozo.
Then Damo jumped on Bozo without any reasoning, tying it. I tried to vote Brain to untie then Fox and Kak just pushed Bozo out of nowhere.

So, Brain, I think Damo, Fox or Kak are great options to your kill. If I have to choose one, shoot Damo.

2 of these 3 listed in his reads are scum imo