M53: Mafia 1 Redux

[KalelChase]

would like to hear who neph has as his scumreads rn

BobMcBob - Likely town
bozotheclown - No idea
brainbomb - Probably just weird town
BunnyGo - Possible scum
damo666 - Non-existent
flash2015 - possible scum/SK
foodcoats - ?deep scum but possible town
Foxcastle - non-existent
Jamiet99uk - Town
Kakarroto - No idea
KalelChase - ??? Some really off posts. Not surprised if scum
Kitsune - Feels genuine
rdrivera2005 - Town?
Squigs44 - Really weird, leaning scum
Vecna - Town
xorxes - Townlean but need to read more

Mind if I ask you what 'off' means with my posts?

[BunnyGo]

So this was Bunnys latest reads before switching from emc to a damo wagon. Bunny, why did you vote for damo and not give reasoning when Kalel appeared to be a strong scum read of yours just a few posts before?

I always get kalel wrong. Literally every game. I’ve pushed hard and got a wagon going on him when he was town. I defended him when he was scum.

I thought Vecna seemed solid. And so went to Damo who I had a scummy vibe but like I said “day 1”. I thought EMC was town. I still think kalel is scummy, but don’t trust my read there.

So what would it take for you to vote Kalel? Does he just get a free pass because you cant read him?

I don’t think I’d be willing to lead a wagon or defense of him. If I still felt he was scummy and people I townread and trusted were on a wagon, I’d be willing to join that.

[BunnyGo]

bunny is town

Why is this again?

I don’t know.

The funny thing is I know I am town. But I don’t trust anyone who thinks that, because I know I’m presenting as scummy. So only the scum no for sure I’m town. And so I’m pretty sure that at least one of my defenders is scum.

[xorxes]

(needless to say, I didnt fall for that trick. Because after all, its my own trick)

Unless you did fall for the trick, you thought you were tying the vote between Bunny and emc, planning to say you had not seen brain's vote when you voted. For this to be a perfect scum clusterfuck the team would have to be emc-Bunny-brain-Vecna.

[xorxes]

@bozo, who had emc on their list for your experiment? I suppose I could look it up but I'm still catching up.

[xorxes]

Kalel's post of random names gave too much explanation about how random they were. He explicitly stated twice that we wasn't scum, which just always seems awkward. There's been little I like about his posts, including his question about teaming me with emc.

Bob, can you point me to the post where Kalel teams you with emc?

[xorxes]

I mean bob takes it personal that squiggs scumreads him
he took it personal vecna scumread him

maybe hes a first time pr just wantin to stay alive.

@brain, why were you PR fishing? Some of your other shenanigans I can understand and even approve of, but what was the purpose of this?

[BunnyGo]

I would love to see this shitload of research you had neph?

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10. ... 9508573866

- People struggle creating random assortments. Therefore is a choice and moost scum would lead to at least one scumbuddy (theres a lot of papers on this)

I'm mindblanking on the psychological term for planting a thought in someones head then I can send the rest through

post it D2 if im still alive

Inception?

[xorxes]

the difference between you and I nephy
is I strive to push wagons and to get at least 1 of my scumreads to react or hopefully to die.

you just behave stiff and frozen. arguing and slandering ppl with multiple reads. shame on you. shame on society really

Me?

Why did Bunny felt alluded here?

[foodcoats]

I mean bob takes it personal that squiggs scumreads him
he took it personal vecna scumread him

maybe hes a first time pr just wantin to stay alive.

@brain, why were you PR fishing? Some of your other shenanigans I can understand and even approve of, but what was the purpose of this?

Interesting, I saw brain make the first PR comment but I didn't see he did it twice.

[Jamiet99uk]

I mean bob takes it personal that squiggs scumreads him
he took it personal vecna scumread him

maybe hes a first time pr just wantin to stay alive.

@brain, why were you PR fishing? Some of your other shenanigans I can understand and even approve of, but what was the purpose of this?

Interesting, I saw brain make the first PR comment but I didn't see he did it twice.

I think he did it 3 or 4 times to be quite honest.

[foodcoats]

Jamie is town.

[Kitsune]

is this seriously how you fucking people play? supposedly im lock scum and cant get a single fucking person to communicate with me, ask me a question, reread a post. nothing? wtf is this?
where did this community go to where no one even talks anymore they just pop in to give takes and vanish

I was asleep. I was trying to wait until I caught up before I replied. But the way you’re all posting I’m not confident I’ll catch up before EoN.

Also on my phone and lowkey distracted, which is slowing me a bit.

But yes, happy to chat with you BB, if we’re both still alive when I catch up!

[Jamiet99uk]

Jamie is town.

Yes I know he is.

[Kitsune]

is this seriously how you fucking people play? supposedly im lock scum and cant get a single fucking person to communicate with me, ask me a question, reread a post. nothing? wtf is this?
where did this community go to where no one even talks anymore they just pop in to give takes and vanish

Maybe people have other things to do in real life then playing Mafia.
Maybe you just post too much for most casual players to handle.

And it's night, I don't see why we should give more info to scum right now.

I know this has been a recurring theme in... basically every game of this I’ve been in on webDip, but has keeping a low profile at night ever really helped us? I’m mindful of my last Town game, where I was trying to keep a mildly scummy profile to keep my PR safe, and ended up getting flashlynched.

Maybe people hold their post walls until 2 minutes before Dawn? Beyond that I don’t see any point in trying to censor ourselves right now. Much like Day 1, we’re talking to posterity as much as our immediate peers. With two night kills in play, more information before End of Phase is pro Town, not less.

[Kitsune]

Brain can you be serious for one second and give me a straight forward answer:

Is Jamie scum trying to drive a mislynch or is Jamie just really annoying incorrect town?

Your layers of sarcasm and satire make it difficult to get a read on your actual thoughts

Jamie is very clearly town who is not going to care about anything in gamestate until I die and flip town. at which point he will still claim I lied and that it was my fualt for lying about what capitulation is
then he will.move onto someone else.

I dont think him getting me lynched necessarily gets him lynched.

This is my read as well. Jamie is tunneling hard on Brain, which tends to be his town-meta.

Brain tried an advanced play I only partly understand that invariably makes him look scummy in the process. And that tends to be his town-meta.

This feels T v T.

[xorxes]

Jamie, Kit, Bungo, someone I'm forgetting maybe

Read my fucking posts lol

Just because I style them jocular, add emotes, and extensively condense does not mean that there are no posts. Avoiding strong adjectives except for cases of sarcasm is not-not having an opinion.

I've already asked earlier in the day if it was difficult to understand and if it needed extending to no response, of which the obvious conclusion is that yes, everyone gets it.

I have been. I honestly think you’re town. I just fu*^ing hate how you won’t vote. I expect you to vote on ME as a holding vote at the start of day 2.

##VOTE DAMO

This post still bothers me. emc is leading with 6, Bunny is at 4 and so is Bob. damo was at 1. Bunny leaves emc to vote for damo (and never moves again even when it becomes 4-4-4) and yet Bunny expects both emc and himself will be alive the next day?

[Vecna]

(needless to say, I didnt fall for that trick. Because after all, its my own trick)

Unless you did fall for the trick, you thought you were tying the vote between Bunny and emc, planning to say you had not seen brain's vote when you voted. For this to be a perfect scum clusterfuck the team would have to be emc-Bunny-brain-Vecna.

Nah, the mods were very good in posting a very last minute accurate votecount, which was clearly showing brainbomb was already on that wagon like within a few posts of him doing the silly thing.

[rdrivera2005]

is this seriously how you fucking people play? supposedly im lock scum and cant get a single fucking person to communicate with me, ask me a question, reread a post. nothing? wtf is this?
where did this community go to where no one even talks anymore they just pop in to give takes and vanish

Maybe people have other things to do in real life then playing Mafia.
Maybe you just post too much for most casual players to handle.

And it's night, I don't see why we should give more info to scum right now.

I know this has been a recurring theme in... basically every game of this I’ve been in on webDip, but has keeping a low profile at night ever really helped us? I’m mindful of my last Town game, where I was trying to keep a mildly scummy profile to keep my PR safe, and ended up getting flashlynched.

Maybe people hold their post walls until 2 minutes before Dawn? Beyond that I don’t see any point in trying to censor ourselves right now. Much like Day 1, we’re talking to posterity as much as our immediate peers. With two night kills in play, more information before End of Phase is pro Town, not less.

I was not talking about ending discussion, but about building cases and making hard pushes, I don't see how it's useful to do that when we can have 3 kills at night(not only two) and this will change a lot things for next day.

Giving reads and discussing is fine.

My reads as I am leaving now:

Town Core
Vecna
Xorxes
Bob

Probably Town
Jamiet
Nepth
Fox
Kaka

Null
Bozo
Bunny
Damo
Flash
Food
Squigs

Probably Scum
Kitsune
Brain
Kalel

SK can be anyone.

[Kitsune]

I hate to disappoint jamie. but I would put it at 100% certainty that you will never successfully lynch me this game. So start preparing yourself for a world where you are either wrong or learn to accept failure

Meet mistakes with forgiveness and determination.

The fifth object.

If you are town, I forgive you.

I think you are not.

This being said, I enjoy Jamie’s posts this game.

The Tao of Jamie, in all leading bookstores near you this summer.