MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]

[peterlund]

Today Temasek
Tomorrow Fox or Chaqa
Next day Peter with instructions to shoot Teacon if Peter is town.

Voila.

Isn't it much better to lynch teacon in final 5, and then if that was wrong, lynch peter in final 3, with one more shot in case peter is town too?

I expect them to NK me next night so town will not get the extra shot.

[xorxes]

I also really doubt Damo as a Reaver at this point. He revealed Temasek as RP in Night 4, when the reavers were already full strength. Why would Reaver!Damo do this?

One reason might be that that was the only read that he could be confident of getting right.

Now we will see if damo got the RP read of Tem right. Maybe he did not...

Anyhow, I have not been Reavered! I still have my revenge shot.

We already know that Tem is Reaver Prime because the GM revealed that he was a Reaver in the Level 2 Violation announcement. And he can only be Reaver Prime whether damo is a Reaver or not.

[peterlund]

Jamiet/Chaqa/peter/dargo are the only ones that posted between EON3 and Reaver violation announcement. (Excluding dead/clear.)

So, unless the GM is messing with our minds by announcing when D4 was well under way a violation that had occured before EON3, and unless the violation consists of not posting something that needed to be posted (unlikely because it would force people to be able to post at any time, which would be an unreasonable requirement), then since neither Tem nor Bunny could have caused the violation, then one of those four is the final Reaver.

Jamiet is unlikely because of the replacement Doc. Also he was still a Doc N2, and also he said that he visited me last night before dargo had said who he had watched, which was an unnecessary risk if he was a Reaver.

dargo is unlikely because protected N2 and N3, and there was probably no recruitment N1. Not impossible, but unlikely.

We should find out something about Chaqa soon.

That only leaves peterlund...

Any you are sooo wrong.

[xorxes]

Today Temasek
Tomorrow Fox or Chaqa
Next day Peter with instructions to shoot Teacon if Peter is town.

Voila.

Isn't it much better to lynch teacon in final 5, and then if that was wrong, lynch peter in final 3, with one more shot in case peter is town too?

I expect them to NK me next night so town will not get the extra shot.

That would be fine as well, since you are one of the top unknowns.

[peterlund]

Today Temasek
Tomorrow Fox or Chaqa
Next day Peter with instructions to shoot Teacon if Peter is town.

Voila.

Isn't it much better to lynch teacon in final 5, and then if that was wrong, lynch peter in final 3, with one more shot in case peter is town too?

I expect them to NK me next night so town will not get the extra shot.

Or they are so confident, feeling influencial, in getting town to use that shot against another town.

[peterlund]

Isn't it much better to lynch teacon in final 5, and then if that was wrong, lynch peter in final 3, with one more shot in case peter is town too?

I expect them to NK me next night so town will not get the extra shot.

That would be fine as well, since you are one of the top unknowns.

Just because Chaqa and Damo says so? That is not very good reasons...

[xorxes]

Jamiet/Chaqa/peter/dargo are the only ones that posted between EON3 and Reaver violation announcement. (Excluding dead/clear.)

So, unless the GM is messing with our minds by announcing when D4 was well under way a violation that had occured before EON3, and unless the violation consists of not posting something that needed to be posted (unlikely because it would force people to be able to post at any time, which would be an unreasonable requirement), then since neither Tem nor Bunny could have caused the violation, then one of those four is the final Reaver.

Jamiet is unlikely because of the replacement Doc. Also he was still a Doc N2, and also he said that he visited me last night before dargo had said who he had watched, which was an unnecessary risk if he was a Reaver.

dargo is unlikely because protected N2 and N3, and there was probably no recruitment N1. Not impossible, but unlikely.

We should find out something about Chaqa soon.

That only leaves peterlund...

Any you are sooo wrong.

It could still be Chaqa. Or maybe dargo was indeed reavered N1 and has been faking all his reports. Or Jamiet has been reavered and we're wrong about the backup rules. Or the violation announcement maybe comes with an extra long delay.

So I'm not saying you are definitely a Reaver, just that with the evidence we have so far, it seems the most likely explanation.

[xorxes]

I expect them to NK me next night so town will not get the extra shot.

That would be fine as well, since you are one of the top unknowns.

Just because Chaqa and Damo says so? That is not very good reasons...

My reasoning has nothing to do with what Chaqa and damo say.

In fact their plan of lynching you at last 5 instead of at last 3 is terrible. It casts doubt on them.

[damo666]

Today Temasek
Tomorrow Fox or Chaqa
Next day Peter with instructions to shoot Teacon if Peter is town.

Voila.

What if Chaqa is the Assassin and Fox the Reaver?

We lynch them both obviously, winning on the same day.

[xorxes]

Isn't it much better to lynch teacon in final 5, and then if that was wrong, lynch peter in final 3, with one more shot in case peter is town too?

I expect them to NK me next night so town will not get the extra shot.

Or they are so confident, feeling influencial, in getting town to use that shot against another town.

The ideal final 3 situation is you, a clear, and someone else. Then it's autowin: we lynch you, and if it's not you, you revenge-kill the someone else.

[xorxes]

Today Temasek
Tomorrow Fox or Chaqa
Next day Peter with instructions to shoot Teacon if Peter is town.

Voila.

What if Chaqa is the Assassin and Fox the Reaver?

We lynch them both obviously, winning on the same day.

Say you read Chaqa as Assassin. We lynch Chaqa. Then what? You are proposing lynching peter and that then peter shoots teacon.

[Chaqa]

That would be fine as well, since you are one of the top unknowns.

Just because Chaqa and Damo says so? That is not very good reasons...

My reasoning has nothing to do with what Chaqa and damo say.

In fact their plan of lynching you at last 5 instead of at last 3 is terrible. It casts doubt on them.

Damo's plan. It sounded good to me, I just assumed peter would be killed before then if he wasn't a Reaver though.

[Chaqa]

What if Chaqa is the Assassin and Fox the Reaver?

We lynch them both obviously, winning on the same day.

Say you read Chaqa as Assassin. We lynch Chaqa. Then what? You are proposing lynching peter and that then peter shoots teacon.

I'm not the Assassin. Our next lynch after today will be Fox.

[damo666]

What if Chaqa is the Assassin and Fox the Reaver?

We lynch them both obviously, winning on the same day.

Say you read Chaqa as Assassin. We lynch Chaqa. Then what? You are proposing lynching peter and that then peter shoots teacon.

Ah. Let's hope Chaqa is not Assassin.

[xorxes]

We lynch them both obviously, winning on the same day.

Say you read Chaqa as Assassin. We lynch Chaqa. Then what? You are proposing lynching peter and that then peter shoots teacon.

I'm not the Assassin. Our next lynch after today will be Fox.

If damo reads you as VT, Fox will have to argue that you or emc are the Assassin and damo the last Reaver. It will be hard to take him seriously if that's the case, given his performance so far, but the rest of us will need to decide who is telling the truth if that's how it turns out.

[Chaqa]

Say you read Chaqa as Assassin. We lynch Chaqa. Then what? You are proposing lynching peter and that then peter shoots teacon.

I'm not the Assassin. Our next lynch after today will be Fox.

If damo reads you as VT, Fox will have to argue that you or emc are the Assassin and damo the last Reaver. It will be hard to take him seriously if that's the case, given his performance so far, but the rest of us will need to decide who is telling the truth if that's how it turns out.

I think if I were the Assassin, it would have been the most ballsy play ever to come out swinging in support of massclaim as a VT. Compare that to late-comer Fox limping into the game with a VT claim, I believe *after* worcej had already mistakenly claimed PR as the Agent.

Also the voting record exonerates EMC pretty well, but also implicates Fox. Worcej did park a vote on Vecna very briefly on Day 1.

[xorxes]

I'm not the Assassin. Our next lynch after today will be Fox.

If damo reads you as VT, Fox will have to argue that you or emc are the Assassin and damo the last Reaver. It will be hard to take him seriously if that's the case, given his performance so far, but the rest of us will need to decide who is telling the truth if that's how it turns out.

I think if I were the Assassin, it would have been the most ballsy play ever to come out swinging in support of massclaim as a VT. Compare that to late-comer Fox limping into the game with a VT claim, I believe *after* worcej had already mistakenly claimed PR as the Agent.

Also the voting record exonerates EMC pretty well, but also implicates Fox. Worcej did park a vote on Vecna very briefly on Day 1.

Are you suggesting you never do ballsy plays?

Fox's VT claim is completely NAI. If he is VT, obviously that's what he would claim. If he is Assassin, he had no other choice but to claim VT after his two teammates had claimed PR.

Kalel's voting record doesn't make you look too good either.

[Chaqa]

If damo reads you as VT, Fox will have to argue that you or emc are the Assassin and damo the last Reaver. It will be hard to take him seriously if that's the case, given his performance so far, but the rest of us will need to decide who is telling the truth if that's how it turns out.

I think if I were the Assassin, it would have been the most ballsy play ever to come out swinging in support of massclaim as a VT. Compare that to late-comer Fox limping into the game with a VT claim, I believe *after* worcej had already mistakenly claimed PR as the Agent.

Also the voting record exonerates EMC pretty well, but also implicates Fox. Worcej did park a vote on Vecna very briefly on Day 1.

Are you suggesting you never do ballsy plays?

Fox's VT claim is completely NAI. If he is VT, obviously that's what he would claim. If he is Assassin, he had no other choice but to claim VT after his two teammates had claimed PR.

Kalel's voting record doesn't make you look too good either.

Eh, that's fair I suppose.

I don't, unlike the rest of the people in this game (besides EMC) have any way to prove I am what I say I am. It's a bit annoying really, and kind of an unpleasant experience whene everyone else has something cool to do.

[xorxes]

I think if I were the Assassin, it would have been the most ballsy play ever to come out swinging in support of massclaim as a VT. Compare that to late-comer Fox limping into the game with a VT claim, I believe *after* worcej had already mistakenly claimed PR as the Agent.

Also the voting record exonerates EMC pretty well, but also implicates Fox. Worcej did park a vote on Vecna very briefly on Day 1.

Are you suggesting you never do ballsy plays?

Fox's VT claim is completely NAI. If he is VT, obviously that's what he would claim. If he is Assassin, he had no other choice but to claim VT after his two teammates had claimed PR.

Kalel's voting record doesn't make you look too good either.

Eh, that's fair I suppose.

I don't, unlike the rest of the people in this game (besides EMC) have any way to prove I am what I say I am. It's a bit annoying really, and kind of an unpleasant experience whene everyone else has something cool to do.

To compensate, as a VT you are one of the people with the most information. That's why I prefer playing VT than any other role.

[Chaqa]

Are you suggesting you never do ballsy plays?

Fox's VT claim is completely NAI. If he is VT, obviously that's what he would claim. If he is Assassin, he had no other choice but to claim VT after his two teammates had claimed PR.

Kalel's voting record doesn't make you look too good either.

Eh, that's fair I suppose.

I don't, unlike the rest of the people in this game (besides EMC) have any way to prove I am what I say I am. It's a bit annoying really, and kind of an unpleasant experience whene everyone else has something cool to do.

To compensate, as a VT you are one of the people with the most information. That's why I prefer playing VT than any other role.

I normally don't mind being a VT, as it allows for some antics, but in this game, the VTs are almost more important than the PRs due to our longevity (who is gonna kill a VT?)

Another point against Fox -
when the mafia killed one of worcej's supposed targets to mask his non-BH-ness, they killed Bozo (widely regarded as a RP/mafia suspect) over Fox. Now sure, Bozo was more active, but it's another piece.