MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]

[xorxes]

So why doesn’t Dargo say who he is going to watch, and Jamiet can choose whether or not to visit him? Then Dargo says whether he did or not, and Jamie can confirm/deny?

Jamiet can't choose whether or not to visit me. You want dargo to announce that I can be killed and nobody will be watching, is that what you're proposing?

[damo666]

@damo. You say I am the first Reaver susp to lynch. Then I recommended that you scan me so you find out the truth, that I am town. Then town can avoid a mislynch at this crucial point

If I survive the night and dargo and Jamie cleared it doesn't really matter. If I survive I will then decide who to read. It probably won't be you because you are the most affordable mislynch as you'd have a shot. I would probably read Teacon.

In the unlikely event I am a NK (which would prove me non Reaver) and if dargo/Jamie cleared I would advocate a lynch of Peter with instruction to shoot Teacon. If there is a dargo/Jamie dispute I guess that means one of them is Reaver so we lynch one of those and if a mislynch then the other.

I cannot envisage a town loss (unless Fox is not assassin and then something is truly awry).

This makes me very worried that damo is the Reaver. Reader!Damo should be the only one 100% sure that Fox is the Assassin.

I know Chaqa is VT and know emc is VT. I assume Fox is Assassin by process of elimination. If all PR roles are proven to have originally been the role they claimed then and only then am I 100% certain Fox is Assassin. Have all roles been proven with 0% doubt?

[xorxes]

damo and Chaqa first wanted nobody to speak at night, and now they are the ones talking about the only thing that we should not be talking about, which is dargo's and Jamiet's targets.

[xorxes]

If I survive the night and dargo and Jamie cleared it doesn't really matter. If I survive I will then decide who to read. It probably won't be you because you are the most affordable mislynch as you'd have a shot. I would probably read Teacon.

In the unlikely event I am a NK (which would prove me non Reaver) and if dargo/Jamie cleared I would advocate a lynch of Peter with instruction to shoot Teacon. If there is a dargo/Jamie dispute I guess that means one of them is Reaver so we lynch one of those and if a mislynch then the other.

I cannot envisage a town loss (unless Fox is not assassin and then something is truly awry).

This makes me very worried that damo is the Reaver. Reader!Damo should be the only one 100% sure that Fox is the Assassin.

I know Chaqa is VT and know emc is VT. I assume Fox is Assassin by process of elimination. If all PR roles are proven to have originally been the role they claimed then and only then am I 100% certain Fox is Assassin. Have all roles been proven with 0% doubt?

Which role could you possibly have doubt about?

[Jamiet99uk]

damo and Chaqa first wanted nobody to speak at night, and now they are the ones talking about the only thing that we should not be talking about, which is dargo's and Jamiet's targets.

Truth.

[damo666]

So why doesn’t Dargo say who he is going to watch, and Jamiet can choose whether or not to visit him? Then Dargo says whether he did or not, and Jamie can confirm/deny?

Jamiet can't choose whether or not to visit me. You want dargo to announce that I can be killed and nobody will be watching, is that what you're proposing?

Jamie's N6 save is public info and Fox kill unstopable. I don't get your complaint.

[damo666]

This makes me very worried that damo is the Reaver. Reader!Damo should be the only one 100% sure that Fox is the Assassin.

I know Chaqa is VT and know emc is VT. I assume Fox is Assassin by process of elimination. If all PR roles are proven to have originally been the role they claimed then and only then am I 100% certain Fox is Assassin. Have all roles been proven with 0% doubt?

Which role could you possibly have doubt about?

None hence the 'truly awry' comment.

Stop being paranoid. We have won.

[xorxes]

I know Chaqa is VT and know emc is VT. I assume Fox is Assassin by process of elimination. If all PR roles are proven to have originally been the role they claimed then and only then am I 100% certain Fox is Assassin. Have all roles been proven with 0% doubt?

Which role could you possibly have doubt about?

None hence the 'truly awry' comment.

Stop being paranoid. We have won.

Lynching peter in final five and having him kill teacon is exactly what Reaver!damo would want, that's what makes me paranoid.

[damo666]

Which role could you possibly have doubt about?

None hence the 'truly awry' comment.

Stop being paranoid. We have won.

Lynching peter in final five and having him kill teacon is exactly what Reaver!damo would want, that's what makes me paranoid.

Chaqa and EMC know I am telling the truth.

If I am NK'd I am not Reaver.

If I am not I read Teacon. If I report him Reaver lynch him and if he flips town (he wouldn't) lynch me. If I report him as town lynch Peter with instruction to shoot me if is town (he wouldn't be). This of course assumes Jamie and dargo clear.

[Jamiet99uk]

I have submitted my save.
I am not going to tell you smelly people who it is.

[xorxes]

None hence the 'truly awry' comment.

Stop being paranoid. We have won.

Lynching peter in final five and having him kill teacon is exactly what Reaver!damo would want, that's what makes me paranoid.

Chaqa and EMC know I am telling the truth.

If I am NK'd I am not Reaver.

If I am not I read Teacon. If I report him Reaver lynch him and if he flips town (he wouldn't) lynch me. If I report him as town lynch Peter with instruction to shoot me if is town (he wouldn't be). This of course assumes Jamie and dargo clear.

Chaqa and emc can only know you're telling the truth about them, not about the other. If the other is the Assassin, of course they won't admit you would be lying.

Obviously if you are NK'd that would prove what you are.

If we lynch Fox and he turns out to be VT, you would be exposed, but town can no longer be sure to win. We would have to rely on Jamiet saving someone, and guessing correctly between Chaqa and emc (Chaqa would be the one to lynch first in that scenario).

So maybe you are just failing to see things through the eyes of someone who doesn't know for sure you are not the Reaver, or maybe you are just obfuscating.

[xorxes]

I have submitted my save.
I am not going to tell you smelly people who it is.

You should not have told who you saved last night, but I guess that's water under the bridge now.

[damo666]

Lynching peter in final five and having him kill teacon is exactly what Reaver!damo would want, that's what makes me paranoid.

Chaqa and EMC know I am telling the truth.

If I am NK'd I am not Reaver.

If I am not I read Teacon. If I report him Reaver lynch him and if he flips town (he wouldn't) lynch me. If I report him as town lynch Peter with instruction to shoot me if is town (he wouldn't be). This of course assumes Jamie and dargo clear.

Chaqa and emc can only know you're telling the truth about them, not about the other. If the other is the Assassin, of course they won't admit you would be lying.

Obviously if you are NK'd that would prove what you are.

If we lynch Fox and he turns out to be VT, you would be exposed, but town can no longer be sure to win. We would have to rely on Jamiet saving someone, and guessing correctly between Chaqa and emc (Chaqa would be the one to lynch first in that scenario).

So maybe you are just failing to see things through the eyes of someone who doesn't know for sure you are not the Reaver, or maybe you are just obfuscating.

From the pov of town who think I may be Reaver Foxlynch is still the best play because at worst it's 50/50, if you mislynch me (or anyone else) it's almost certain town loss. Fox will flip assassin but that it still doesn't absolutely clear me. You really got no choice but to trust me. I keep giving true reads. Short of death I have no way of proving myself.

[xorxes]

Chaqa and EMC know I am telling the truth.

If I am NK'd I am not Reaver.

If I am not I read Teacon. If I report him Reaver lynch him and if he flips town (he wouldn't) lynch me. If I report him as town lynch Peter with instruction to shoot me if is town (he wouldn't be). This of course assumes Jamie and dargo clear.

Chaqa and emc can only know you're telling the truth about them, not about the other. If the other is the Assassin, of course they won't admit you would be lying.

Obviously if you are NK'd that would prove what you are.

If we lynch Fox and he turns out to be VT, you would be exposed, but town can no longer be sure to win. We would have to rely on Jamiet saving someone, and guessing correctly between Chaqa and emc (Chaqa would be the one to lynch first in that scenario).

So maybe you are just failing to see things through the eyes of someone who doesn't know for sure you are not the Reaver, or maybe you are just obfuscating.

From the pov of town who think I may be Reaver Foxlynch is still the best play because at worst it's 50/50, if you mislynch me (or anyone else) it's almost certain town loss. Fox will flip assassin but that it still doesn't absolutely clear me. You really got no choice but to trust me. I keep giving true reads. Short of death I have no way of proving myself.

I agree we have to lynch Fox next. That doesn't mean I can't have doubts about you.

If Fox is the Assassin, I think we have won, but in order to be sure we can't lynch peter in final five, we have to keep him for final three. You could still be the Reaver even if you guessed emc and Chaqa correctly.

If Fox is the backup Doctor, I think we have lost. We can play kingmakers between Reavers and Alliance, but that's about it.

If Fox is plain VT, we may still have a shot, I think.

So from my point of view, things are still very much undecided.

[damo666]

@Xorxes

Please assume Fox flips Assassin and you and say dargo are the NKs.

What is then your recommended lynch order?

[Foxcastle]

@Xorxes

Please assume Fox flips Assassin and you and say dargo are the NKs.

What is then your recommended lynch order?

Kindly do not assume this, as it is not true.

[damo666]

@Xorxes

Please assume Fox flips Assassin and you and say dargo are the NKs.

What is then your recommended lynch order?

Kindly do not assume this, as it is not true.

Only because Fox has submitted his kill order for someone else.

[Foxcastle]

@Xorxes

Please assume Fox flips Assassin and you and say dargo are the NKs.

What is then your recommended lynch order?

Kindly do not assume this, as it is not true.

Only because Fox has submitted his kill order for someone else.

Okay, that was funny.

[xorxes]

@Xorxes

Please assume Fox flips Assassin and you and say dargo are the NKs.

What is then your recommended lynch order?

D7 lynch Fox and you should read Jamiet.

That means Jamiet, emc and Chaqa are now clear (unless you got a guilty on Jamiet). One of them is probably killed N7.

D8 lynch teacon (or Jamiet if you read him as Reaver).

If teacon flips town another clear dies N8, one clear left.

D9 is peterlund, damo and a clear.

Lynch peter. If he is Reaver, we win, if he is town, he kills Reaver!damo

So if Fox is Assassin, we have already won, even if you are the Reaver.

If Fox is not Assassin, then things get more complicated.

[xorxes]

@Xorxes

Please assume Fox flips Assassin and you and say dargo are the NKs.

What is then your recommended lynch order?

Kindly do not assume this, as it is not true.

You have a few hours to convince me if you want me to change my last will and testament. At the moment my instructions are lynch Fox tomorrow.